And Its Smith Posted January 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, Phileas Fogg said: Oh come on RD, you've been on this forum long enough to understand the mood on here and you knew what response some would give you after tonight's game ! Yeah I did to be fair! No real need though is there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 41 minutes ago, RedDave said: If you are reading Jon and Steve Lansdown: Please realise if you give someone the model of selling their best players every season and expecting them to improve you have to expect the odd bump in the road. The task set before Lee is a very difficult one. Please keep the faith. He has credit in the bank for what he has achieved thus far. It is LJ that has raised fans expectations. Please don’t sack him for this blip. This post is a crock of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, RedDave said: Yeah I did to be fair! No real need though is there Timing is everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted January 14, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just imagine if there was a local manager with a track record of already getting three teams promoted from the championship to the premiership who is currently out of work and has publicly stated he'd like one more job until the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 47 minutes ago, RedDave said: If you are reading Jon and Steve Lansdown: Please realise if you give someone the model of selling their best players every season and expecting them to improve you have to expect the odd bump in the road. The task set before Lee is a very difficult one. Please keep the faith. He has credit in the bank for what he has achieved thus far. It is LJ that has raised fans expectations. Please don’t sack him for this blip. Who are you? Lee's Mum? Bit desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 I could not agree less with the OP! This is the only time SL can possibly make a change and make it count between now and May. If people don't think that SL and MA have not looked around at who is available you are dreaming. Also was Nkethia waiting to see the result before committing to us. We will know soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Also welcome back to @BobBobSuperBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Badger08 said: So you're basically saying that we only sold Flint, Reid, Kelly and Webster because MA is at the club. Nobody would have bought those players without him? Are you serious? LJ has t has any influence at all? It's all MA? I’m saying we only made the money we did because of Ashton, we wouldn’t of got anywhere near the cash we raked in without me, and it’s not me saying it it’s Johnson, he is on record in an interview after another poor performance and defeat to Shrewsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: The bloke put in £10m of his own cash the other week and that’s how his Manager repays him when the prospect of a significant financial carrot is dangled. Could be wrong but I think that Lansdown will be furious about this. Doesn’t mean a sacking is imminent but Johnson’s apparent invincibility would have taken a big dent tonight. 'Tis a strange season. In fairness to Lj, most of his plans went out of the window with a series of injuries to key players through the first half of the season, However, despite this, and poor performances, we did well to keep getting results to see us at the top end of the table. At this point I am sure SL would have felt like many of us, i.e. when players are back from injury we looked forward to seeing a stronger team, better performances and consolidating our position in the top 6. That feeling would have been reinforced with great performances against Huddersfield and Fulham. At this point, just when we al looked forward to things getting better, we just dropped off a cliff, culminating in the 2 games against Shrewsbury. Despite this, we still sit just 1 point off the play off places, which must causeSL a dilemma if he is thinking about LJ's position. This time last season we went on a 6 game winning run, and a similar run now would transform the season? However, while I have been broadly supportive of LJ over the last 3/4 years and the club's long term project, this season somehow feels different. These last 6 weeks have started to feel like LJ might just be getting to the point where he has taken us as far as he can - how many of us really think LJ is capable of taking us on a long winning run this time around?. Missing out on Liverpool will be annoying ( putting it mildly!) to SL, not just because of the prestige of the European and World champions coming to the Gate but also the loss of a very big pay day. The recent run, tonight's result and if SL is starting to think that LJ cant take us any further and crucially if there is an alternative manager/coach in mind, then SL might surprise us. On balance I think that SL will more than likely give LJ until the end of the season to see if he can turn things around, get us into the play offs and maintain the year on year progress he's achieved the far. The one thing SL will have that most of us won't have is knowing how players and staff are feeling - ido they still have confidence in LJ etc? That could be the decisive factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, Whale Eye Beef Hooked said: I might not agree with you but I wouldn’t insult you from a keyboard Ah, it's you he was referring to . I thought it might be me! Though I hasten to add I'm not an LJ out merchant. I'm an LJ never in one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, downendcity said: 'Tis a strange season. In fairness to Lj, most of his plans went out of the window with a series of injuries to key players through the first half of the season, However, despite this, and poor performances, we did well to keep getting results to see us at the top end of the table. At this point I am sure SL would have felt like many of us, i.e. when players are back from injury we looked forward to seeing a stronger team, better performances and consolidating our position in the top 6. That feeling would have been reinforced with great performances against Huddersfield and Fulham. At this point, just when we al looked forward to things getting better, we just dropped off a cliff, culminating in the 2 games against Shrewsbury. Despite this, we still sit just 1 point off the play off places, which must causeSL a dilemma if he is thinking about LJ's position. This time last season we went on a 6 game winning run, and a similar run now would transform the season? However, while I have been broadly supportive of LJ over the last 3/4 years and the club's long term project, this season somehow feels different. These last 6 weeks have started to feel like LJ might just be getting to the point where he has taken us as far as he can - how many of us really think LJ is capable of taking us on a long winning run this time around?. Missing out on Liverpool will be annoying ( putting it mildly!) to SL, not just because of the prestige of the European and World champions coming to the Gate but also the loss of a very big pay day. The recent run, tonight's result and if SL is starting to think that LJ cant take us any further and crucially if there is an alternative manager/coach in mind, then SL might surprise us. On balance I think that SL will more than likely give LJ until the end of the season to see if he can turn things around, get us into the play offs and maintain the year on year progress he's achieved the far. The one thing SL will have that most of us won't have is knowing how players and staff are feeling - ido they still have confidence in LJ etc? That could be the decisive factor. LJ has proven what he is capable of. Most people do after 4 years in a job. He's done OK. Well done Lee. We've had some great times. Nothing wrong with moving on and aspiring to greater things. There's nothing written in stone that says LJ has more to offer. He may already have exceeded his own expectation. Fear makes people do nothing sometimes. SL is at risk of being happy with the status quo. He might be rich, but I've never been convinced he really knows what he's doing when it comes to footy acumen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: LJ has proven what he is capable of. Most people do after 4 years in a job. He's done OK. Well done Lee. We've had some great times. Nothing wrong with moving on and aspiring to greater things. There's nothing written in stone that says LJ has more to offer. He may already have exceeded his own expectation. Fear makes people do nothing sometimes. SL is at risk of being happy with the status quo. He might be rich, but I've never been convinced he really knows what he's doing when it comes to footy acumen. When he appointed LJ, I think, and can understand, that SL wanted a period of stability as he had seen that chopping and changing managers after GJ left achieved nothing positive. It also coincided with the club's long term strategy for financial sustainability, which LJ bought into. The issue now becomes the point at which stability needs to be sacrificed to avoid stagnation or even regression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Weird that we could soon be in the playoffs having barely played well. That would say something is right at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, RedDave said: If you are reading Jon and Steve Lansdown: Please realise if you give someone the model of selling their best players every season and expecting them to improve you have to expect the odd bump in the road. The task set before Lee is a very difficult one. Please keep the faith. He has credit in the bank for what he has achieved thus far. It is LJ that has raised fans expectations. Please don’t sack him for this blip. I admire your positivity Dave but that tonight will not have gone down well with the board given what was at stake. It won't prove terminal for him but it's another black mark when they come to examine the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, RedDave said: If you are reading Jon and Steve Lansdown: Please realise if you give someone the model of selling their best players every season and expecting them to improve you have to expect the odd bump in the road. The task set before Lee is a very difficult one. Please keep the faith. He has credit in the bank for what he has achieved thus far. It is LJ that has raised fans expectations. Please don’t sack him for this blip. Oh ****. Oh Jesus Christ. We really are doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collier Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 48 minutes ago, RedDave said: Just posted my thoughts and get a torrent back. Lovely forum this. Lovely people You knew what you were doing when you posted. I am not going to give anyone abuse for their views but reading between the lines you can see that your being a WUM. You went fishing and got some bites, don't complain after when some of them turn up with sharp teeth!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Just quickly popped in to see the justification from the usual suspects for the shambles we currently are after 4 years , 54 signings , no plan Its cringeworthy And nor for me atm mate Hope you good PS Is this Matty Taylor is God Poster actually Lees Godson ? Welcome back Bob. It doesn't get any better. I'm ready to stop going to games permanently. We are going backwards in a hurry so he has to go now. @Bob Bob Super Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern Red Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Robin Wood said: Every team in this league sells there best players Apart from Preston who have been granted immunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lydered Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 51 minutes ago, REDOXO said: I could not agree less with the OP! This is the only time SL can possibly make a change and make it count between now and May. If people don't think that SL and MA have not looked around at who is available you are dreaming. Also was Nkethia waiting to see the result before committing to us. We will know soon! You're actually suggesting Nketiah's decision could be solely based and swung, on us beating Shrews and potentially playing Liverpool in a cup game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, Malvern Red said: Apart from Preston who have been granted immunity Robinson and Hugill were two of their more important players in recent times IMO. GONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, ryanj said: You're actually suggesting Nketiah's decision could be solely based and swung, on us beating Shrews and potentially playing Liverpool in a cup game You added the solely! But if you don't think he is thinking oh **** no big game then, tonight, you are sorely mistaken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 35 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: Welcome back Bob. It doesn't get any better. I'm ready to stop going to games permanently. We are going backwards in a hurry so he has to go now. %100 With SLs backing financially We are missing out on an opportunity of a generation atm, with a very average Championship with many sides in a mess, under our golden child who’s looks like he’s been given a Gold edition of football manager The whole idea of sticking with Johnson was we would benefit from the plan and the stability The reality is we are a playing shambles atm with a shed full of tools assembled by the head coach who clearly hasn’t a clue how to use or blend them He’s the man who plans to make his wife her favourite Lamb casserole for her bitrthday - he’s read all those books and watched masterchef, as he tells her , he’s on top of it .........goes to Tesco , whilst looking for some vegetables .........sees the haddock looks nice ......ohh...and there’s some nice marmalade on on offer........ too difficult to resist ....mmmmm I see there’s some Jaffa cakes ....mmm.......la li la........ eventually hes blown his budget & gets home and empties his shopping on the counter ........2 pieces of haddock , a Large jar of Branston pickle , a tomato , some carrots, 2 packets of Jaffa Cakes and , 3 jars of the same marmalade Scratching his chin he wonders how he’s going to make his lamb casserole , but will give it a go anyway , and he’ll think up something to explain to the wife 4 years on , 54 signings (Averaging 12.5 a season !!) and a massive squad to play with and he has the audacity to say we lack height and physicality in the squad , that we need more forward power , we need this , we need that , - WTF - ITS YOUR F******G SQUAD MISTER His blind clan point to year on year progress - My pertinent response & question would be , with the backing he’s had where would any competent Championship manager have had us , and where would a good one have Well we aren’t , going anywhere soon , I still believe more likely eventually down rather than up IMHO under a floundering head coach who spouts more b*******t than I’ve ever seen from a manager / head coach, and his two mates as rookie assistants If as supporters we cringe at what he spouts , imagine being a player hearing it day in day out Some of the most turgid and frustrating football I’ve witnessed considering the tools he’s been allowed to assemble Entertainment and enjoyment virtually nil Weve had one hot spot of 3 months under him , in 4 years - when he the side picked itself due to injuries You bad man, - I’ve broken my rule about getting involved and posting Time to step back and brace for the journey to limp on Lets hope when the inevitable happens the Clan don’t react WACO style ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Brilliant post @BobBobSuperBob. Absolutely spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulcityfan Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 If you are reading this find a man manager who can motivate players. This has been lacking since day 1 of Lee Johnson’s tenure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: %100 With SLs backing financially We are missing out on an opportunity of several decades with a very average Championship with many sides in a mess under our golden child who’s looks like he’s been given a Gold edition of football manager The whole idea of sticking with Johnson was we would benefit from the plan and the stability The reality is we are a playing shambles atm with a shed full of tools assembled by the head coach who clearly hasn’t a clue how to use or blend them He’s the man who plans to make his wife her favourite Lamb casserole for her bitrthday - he’s read all those books and watched masterchef, as he tells her , he’s on top of it .........goes to Tesco , whilst looking for some vegetables .........sees the haddock looks nice ......ohh...and there’s some nice marmalade on on offer........ too difficult to resist ....mmmmm I see there’s some Jaffa cakes ....mmm.......la li la........ eventually hes blown his budget & gets home and empties his shopping on the counter ........2 pieces of haddock , a Large jar of Branston pickle , a tomato , some carrots, 2 packets of Jaffa Cakes and , 3 jars of the same marmalade Scratching his chin he wonders how he’s going to make his lamb casserole , but will give it a go anyway , and he’ll think up something to explain to the wife 4 years on , 54 signings (Averaging 12.5 a season !!) and a massive squad to play with and he has the audacity to say we lack height and physicality in the squad , that we need more forward power , we need this , we need that , - WTF - ITS YOUR F******G SQUAD MISTER His blind clan point to year on year progress - My pertinent response & question would be , with the backing he’s had where would any competent Championship manager have had us , and where would a good one have Well we aren’t , and never will IMHO under a floundering head coach who spouts more b*******t than I’ve ever seen from a manager / head coach, and his two mates as rookie assistants If as supporters we cringe at what he spouts , imagine being a player hearing it day in day out Some of the most turgid and frustrating football I’ve witnessed considering the tools he’s been allowed to assemble Entertainment and enjoyment virtually nil Weve had one hot spot of 3 months under him , in 4 years - when he the side picked itself due to injuries You bad man, - I’ve broken my rule about getting involved and posting Time to step back and brace for the journey to limp on Lets hope when the inevitable happens the Clan don’t react WACO style ! Marmalade very apt, he's been a jammy b****rd in keeping his job for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lydered Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, REDOXO said: 24 minutes ago, REDOXO said: You added the solely! But if you don't think he is thinking oh **** no big game then, tonight, you are sorely mistaken Ok, I personally don't think tonight's result will have affected his decision if he signs though. Thanks for telling me that I'm mistaken though, just for having a different opinion on something to yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, ryanj said: Ok, I personally don't think tonight's result will have affected his decision if he signs though. Thanks for telling me that I'm mistaken though, just for having a different opinion on something to yours What are you on about. You put laugh emojis on your reply to my original post, mis quoted me and I explained. Grow up son! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Badger08 said: Millions of pounds haha. Have you forgotten the money he made on Webster, Flint, Reid, Kelly? Or does that suit YOUR agenda? How much do you think sacking a manager, paying up contracts and hiring a new manager will cost? More than the Liverpool game that's for sure. Not forgetting all the players they will want to sign because it isn't "his side", changing of backroom staff, blah, blah, blah. You are wrong. Johnson inherited Kelly Reid Flint Bryan and Pack. The only significant transfer profit by Johnson is Webster and most of that has either already been or will be wasted on losses on other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Constant Rabbit Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 hours ago, RedDave said: Cheers for so many replies guys and girls. Up the city! Sleep well. Red Dave in 'if I post contentious shite I get my likes count up' shocker. Admins really should have the neg emojis knock 1 OFF your post like count. You still reel them in Davey boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 48 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: With SLs backing financially We are missing out on an opportunity of a generation atm, with a very average Championship with many sides in a mess, under our golden child who’s looks like he’s been given a Gold edition of football manager 4 years on , 54 signings (Averaging 12.5 a season !!) and a massive squad to play with and he has the audacity to say we lack height and physicality in the squad , that we need more forward power , we need this , we need that , - WTF - ITS YOUR F******G SQUAD MISTER If as supporters we cringe at what he spouts , imagine being a player hearing it day in day out Great post Bob I’ve left in what I think are the key points. Johnson isn’t a leader, never will be, its a rare talent and Johnson simply doesn’t have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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