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Maybe our problem stems from the lack of a specialist coach for the strikers ..!!

We have defence/midfield and goalkeeping coaches...but no striker/attacker coach. Other Championship teams are fully equipped some with even a  dead ball and corner coach ..

Just a thought. 

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The problem with ideas like this is that we have no idea what happens on the training pitch. For all we know, our forwards might train brilliantly and the coaches have plenty of great ideas. 

Whilst we have no clue how training work is divided and strikers train - it's difficult to comment.

What we do know is that under LJ we have had some forwards who've done really well and clearly improved - Reid and Abraham in particular. Even Diedhiou, despite the criticism he gets, has improved and has a very respectable goalscoring record. 

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9 minutes ago, davidoldfart said:

Maybe our problem stems from the lack of a specialist coach for the strikers

Good strikers rely on  instinct. I don’t think is possible to teach a striker how to find the net.

Famara missing those two chances last night says more about Fam than anything else.............:cool2:

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The problem isn’t strikers, look at the conversion stat, we are right up there with the best,

the problem is chance creation, we are in the bottom 3 with regards to this,

in other words our strikers feed on scraps as we aren’t creative enough 

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26 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Good strikers rely on  instinct. I don’t think is possible to teach a striker how to find the net.

Famara missing those two chances last night says more about Fam than anything else.............:cool2:

Sterling is a great example of a player that was a bag of nerves in front of goal. Very much the "would be great if could finish" type. 

Definately not one you could say was an instinctive scorer. Now he's a machine. 

True some players just know where the goal is, but of course you can teach it. With repetition repetition repetion of the right kind of practice, eventually it becomes instinctive. 

 

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17 minutes ago, The turtle said:

Sterling is a great example of a player that was a bag of nerves in front of goal. Very much the "would be great if could finish" type. 

Definately not one you could say was an instinctive scorer. Now he's a machine. 

True some players just know where the goal is, but of course you can teach it. With repetition repetition repetion of the right kind of practice, eventually it becomes instinctive. 

 

If the base skills are there to start with .

Not everyone who scratches a fiddle can be Yehudi Menuhin .

 

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53 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Good strikers rely on  instinct. I don’t think is possible to teach a striker how to find the net.

Famara missing those two chances last night says more about Fam than anything else.............:cool2:

Fam isnt messi but the finish at the weekend, plus the disallowed goal were superb strikes. That lack of consistency is why hes not in the premier league.

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10 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

If the base skills are there to start with .

Not everyone who scratches a fiddle can be Yehudi Menuhin .

 

Agree completely and the same can be applied to LJ ,I believe he has lost his promising young manager tag  to lower league journey man.

He flatters to deceive says the right thing to the powers that be but ultimately fails to deliver.

Emperor's new clothes anyone ?

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47 minutes ago, The turtle said:

Sterling is a great example of a player that was a bag of nerves in front of goal. Very much the "would be great if could finish" type. 

Definately not one you could say was an instinctive scorer. Now he's a machine. 

True some players just know where the goal is, but of course you can teach it. With repetition repetition repetion of the right kind of practice, eventually it becomes instinctive. 

 

 

29 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

If the base skills are there to start with .

Not everyone who scratches a fiddle can be Yehudi Menuhin .

 

There is truth in both.

Instinct is neural and trained in, and coached in. The mind recognises patterns on the pitch and reacts in milliseconds.  

The mind and body can only do this if it has the base skills. Skills that are normally created in footballers early ages by hundreds of hours of practice. Players as they age spend less time creating technique and concentrate of other aspects of the game. 

Repetition of tasks normally by periodized training will improve sharpness and decision making. City do train that way in focussed units(attacking players) and Mr Johnson will also on occasion bring in coaches who are not directly employed by BCFC.

There are also other reasons why players can have problems. Skill is performed technique. Players can possess high levels of technique but due to nerves, self doubt, stress and on underperform - You should see what he can do in training..

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As Monkeh states, the issue isn't with our strikers, but what happens behind them. Fam seems to get stick when he fails to convert, when we create a decent number of chances. I can't even really remember the last time that happened apart from last night. It's funny, we seem to forget the games where he grabs a goal when we've created next to nothing all game. There are a lot more recent examples of this, in my mind. 

The stats don't lie in this regard, we are clinical than most in this league, but create very few opportunities.

It's the transition between our third and the final third that always gets me. On the few occasions we seem to get there, we look okay, but the amount of times we fail to transition is really concerning. 

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11 hours ago, davidoldfart said:

Maybe our problem stems from the lack of a specialist coach for the strikers ..!!

We have defence/midfield and goalkeeping coaches...but no striker/attacker coach. Other Championship teams are fully equipped some with even a  dead ball and corner coach ..

Just a thought. 

Just buy a striker who knows..... You can't teach that if you know what I mean. Afobe or Fam. MT is a good example just didn't get the game time. 

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11 hours ago, davidoldfart said:

Maybe our problem stems from the lack of a specialist coach for the strikers ..!!

We have defence/midfield and goalkeeping coaches...but no striker/attacker coach. Other Championship teams are fully equipped some with even a  dead ball and corner coach ..

Just a thought. 

I’m up for it....

Fammy, Weimann, try an old technique called front & far when attacking a cross, it’s amazing how it works. Also, try to make sure you can see the player on the ball, with a clear line of sight,  it’s called creating an angle. Particularly you Andi, the player on the ball doesn’t want to see your back. Also, Fammy, try to be proactive, rather than reactive. Work on that & tomorrow we will work on hitting the inside of the side netting with some finishing drills. COYR 

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1 minute ago, handballbygordonparr said:

Thought it might just be useful for a striker coach to have done a bit of striking at some point in their career.

just an idea

Could be helpful I guess.but also could be completely irrelevant.

The England striker coach, forget his name, Scottish bloke. Players pay him thousands per hour for personal one on one training. I don't even think he ever played the game.

 

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4 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Could be helpful I guess.but also could be completely irrelevant.

The England striker coach, forget his name, Scottish bloke. Players pay him thousands per hour for personal one on one training. I don't even think he ever played the game.

 

Alan Russell. He did play pro but was hardly a prolific goal scorer. 

 

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, handballbygordonparr said:

According to Wiki, Dean Holden scored 22 goals in 369 appearances for all clubs.

 

23 hours ago, handballbygordonparr said:

Back to the OP - Is Lee's current coaching set up of Jamie MCallister and Dean Holden the answer to getting the best out of a talented squad or should we look to invest in this area.  

The playing career of a coach isn't that relevant really. I suppose a decorated former pro might be able to give more gravitas when coaching in certain areas but it's no guarantee they'd be a great coach.

We have no idea what happens on the training pitch so criticism of McAllister and Holden in this regard is unfair. There's form for this on this forum though; I remember when people (ridiculously) saw Holden as some sort of Jonah figure because his arrival coincided with a bumpy run.

It's better to comment on things we can actually measure and assess.

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