t_b Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 Plundered from Gregor MacGregor retweeting someone. Baker has been withdrawn at/before HT 13 times (and once 49th min). That’s not particularly robust for a physical Championship CB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 A good player but a bit of a sick note yeah, seems to be getting worse as well. I can see us keeping him till the summer and maybe then letting him go. Huge shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 Made of glass it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 Wasnt this time round tactical?! I thought LJ said he needed full back nearer centre backs at Derby. I reckon it was tactical and also a reasonable reason to get Webster back in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, nickolas said: Wasnt this time round tactical?! I thought LJ said he needed full back nearer centre backs at Derby. I reckon it was tactical and also a reasonable reason to get Webster back in the team. I thought someone on here had mentioned him feeling his hamstrings ? I am disappointed with Baker to be honest. I just get the impression that he's not overcommitted to the cause. As others have said when he came storming out against QPR and got red carded that showed his desire but since then he is a bit delicate. I have never completely had confidence in the lad , like he doesn't really want to be a little Bristol City having come from the mighty Villa . Too often injured , unreliable. I am waiting for the penny to drop and for him to fulfill his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: I thought someone on here had mentioned him feeling his hamstrings ? I am disappointed with Baker to be honest. I just get the impression that he's not overcommitted to the cause. As others have said when he came storming out against QPR and got red carded that showed his desire but since then he is a bit delicate. I have never completely had confidence in the lad , like he doesn't really want to be a little Bristol City having come from the mighty Villa . Too often injured , unreliable. I am waiting for the penny to drop and for him to fulfill his potential. I'm sure he will when his contract is up for renewal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 LJ said calf problem and didn't want to risk him second half. I think its more the player not wanting to risk it personally, there are far too many of these early substitutions to be just unlucky. Offload in January or the summer imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 I have to say I've never been a huge fan of Baker I just think he's a player who thinks he's something he's not and doesn't particularly lead or hold the line very well which is why him and flinty didn't get on too great he pulls the defence everywhere and as we know he's always got that rash challenge in him like Reading home last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 I like him, and I think he was our best defender for a large part of last season. Thing is, we have changed style, and play a lot more from the back and I'm not sure Baker is that comfortable with it. The first home game of the season, he didn't seem to want to receive the ball, it stood out to me and I mentioned it to a mate. Now compare that to Webster, even Kalas and Wright (when fit) they are all happy to bring the ball out and link play. If we are looking to bring in funds to do some dealing he would be one I'd look to move on, happy if he stays , but we have cover and he should command a reasonable fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: I thought someone on here had mentioned him feeling his hamstrings ? I am disappointed with Baker to be honest. I just get the impression that he's not overcommitted to the cause. As others have said when he came storming out against QPR and got red carded that showed his desire but since then he is a bit delicate. I have never completely had confidence in the lad , like he doesn't really want to be a little Bristol City having come from the mighty Villa . Too often injured , unreliable. I am waiting for the penny to drop and for him to fulfill his potential. Calf, hamstring, he was having a leg problem of some sort, seemed to be hobbling. So don't think it was tactical. We all said when we had him on loan that you could never rely on him as a regular in the side, the way he plays he'll always get injutpred or suspended. Agree with you Major, feel a lot happier when Webster lines up. That said, Baker has done OK the last 2 (well, 1.5) games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, 1960maaan said: I like him, and I think he was our best defender for a large part of last season. Thing is, we have changed style, and play a lot more from the back and I'm not sure Baker is that comfortable with it. The first home game of the season, he didn't seem to want to receive the ball, it stood out to me and I mentioned it to a mate. Now compare that to Webster, even Kalas and Wright (when fit) they are all happy to bring the ball out and link play. If we are looking to bring in funds to do some dealing he would be one I'd look to move on, happy if he stays , but we have cover and he should command a reasonable fee. Villa certainly need a centre half. They're such a pushover in the market I'd back Mark Ashton to get £10m out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, chinapig said: Villa certainly need a centre half. They're such a pushover in the market I'd back Mark Ashton to get £10m out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 Shame, because he was one of the divisions best centre halves for a period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, JonDolman said: I know people will disagree, but it annoys me how he goes off so often. And even when he makes it through a game he makes key mistakes. Made so many this season and 2nd half of last season. I don't know how he gets away with it on here. Sell him in January or next summer please LJ. I prefer a number of centre backs we already have at the club, and that possibly even includes Pisano who was excellent against Plymouth and QPR in central defence. As a fan there is nothing worse than seeing a player who I think does not want to be out there. I was critical of Tomlin and Matthews for that reason, and I feel the same about Baker. If I was trying to create some money to “trade” in January I would move Baker on. He’s got value and he doesn’t start in our best back 4, plus we’ve got cover in Wright (Pisano too), plus could bring back Moore and / or Vyner. If you had to sell to buy, Baker would be on my list. Matty Taylor too. Possibly Frankie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: If I was trying to create some money to “trade” in January I would move Baker on. He’s got value and he doesn’t start in our best back 4, plus we’ve got cover in Wright (Pisano too), plus could bring back Moore and / or Vyner. If you had to sell to buy, Baker would be on my list. Matty Taylor too. Possibly Frankie. For what we are paying him, not his fault btw, are we getting the best value out of him for the amount of time he is available to us? It’s a no from me. Also I’m not finding myself, when he does get a game, saying ‘thank God he’s back’. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see us attracting bids for Taylor. Harsh on Frankie, but he has managed to see off several keepers and still remained here, but I think Maenpaa and Max might be beyond shifting for him now. He must be a good earner. If it was purely about raising funds by selling surplus players I might be tempted to add Bailey Wright to the list too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, RedM said: For what we are paying him, not his fault btw, are we getting the best value out of him for the amount of time he is available to us? It’s a no from me. Also I’m not finding myself, when he does get a game, saying ‘thank God he’s back’. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see us attracting bids for Taylor. Harsh on Frankie, but he has managed to see off several keepers and still remained here, but I think Maenpaa and Max might be beyond shifting for him now. He must be a good earner. If it was purely about raising funds by selling surplus players I might be tempted to add Bailey Wright to the list too. I’d want Bailey’s experience, versatility, physicality and leadership around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 Was going to put monies on him either getting injured or sent off yesterday, I didn’t but just that time of year for him to be out, let’s just say it’s his back most probs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 44 minutes ago, Davefevs said: If I was trying to create some money to “trade” in January I would move Baker on. He’s got value and he doesn’t start in our best back 4, plus we’ve got cover in Wright (Pisano too), plus could bring back Moore and / or Vyner. If you had to sell to buy, Baker would be on my list. Matty Taylor too. Possibly Frankie. I am not sure he holds much value tbh. Best we could hope for in January with Baker is a loan imo. No way we sell him. I am not even convinced we could sell him in the summer. His injury record will put most teams off and lets face it, he doesn’t get into our side. Not sure many clubs below us could afford him. Honestly, he has probably been as big if not bigger waste than Lee Tomlin money wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 If we could get anything for him or find a club that would pay his wages I would get rid now. No point having a player you can’t rely on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 53 minutes ago, Davefevs said: If I was trying to create some money to “trade” in January I would move Baker on. He’s got value and he doesn’t start in our best back 4, plus we’ve got cover in Wright (Pisano too), plus could bring back Moore and / or Vyner. If you had to sell to buy, Baker would be on my list. Matty Taylor too. Possibly Frankie. I agree on moving him on but realistically who would be interested in a player with his wages & injury record? I don’t believe he holds much value at all and I struggle to see much potential interest. I agree on Taylor & Fielding also. Take whatever we can get for those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, chinapig said: Villa certainly need a centre half. They're such a pushover in the market I'd back Mark Ashton to get £10m out of them. Derby need a couple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: I’d want Bailey’s experience, versatility, physicality and leadership around. He'll be important to us, I think. With Baker's injury record, Kalas being on loan and Pisano OOC at the end of the season all the qualities you state above will be required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 iirc,even when we had him on loan playing the best ive seen him,he managed a while walking around in one of those fancy boots.hed be better on a pay per play contract thankfully the red mist moments of his game seem to be on the way out but these seem to be getting replaced with more injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 I’m certain LJ said he bought him off because we couldn’t afford to risk losing players for the 4/5 games during this period for the sake of 45 mins. Makes sense, before an international break for 2 weeks play at 75%. When you have a game in 2 days, come off and let someone else on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 13 hours ago, Davefevs said: I’d want Bailey’s experience, versatility, physicality and leadership around. Good point, but it’s really difficult to call as we can’t see the list of players LJ and co are thinking about. There could be better and cheaper, more suitable options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 I would be interested to see a stat about our results whilst he’s on the pitch, compared when he’s not. It seems to me that we do better when he’s playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 hours ago, RedM said: Good point, but it’s really difficult to call as we can’t see the list of players LJ and co are thinking about. There could be better and cheaper, more suitable options. Absolutely. But then you have to move players on too. I think our squad is too big, but it’s a difficult balance though. I certainly wouldn’t be committing the extensions of Vyner or Moore until later in the window...just in case of injury. Probably same for Bakinson. Don’t agree a new loan deal until we know what our midfield cover is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 He needs to go off because of his hamstring? Groin? Calf?.....only to have him back straight away in next fixture. Images released today before game show him laughing joking hugging teammates.....yet he is too sick to play? Slightly odd? I'm not saying he is faking it, I am questioning his mental strength..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 He seems to have a touch of the Daniel Sturridge about him. LJ clearly annoyed by him today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrdc Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lez said: He needs to go off because of his hamstring? Groin? Calf?.....only to have him back straight away in next fixture. Images released today before game show him laughing joking hugging teammates.....yet he is too sick to play? Slightly odd? I'm not saying he is faking it, I am questioning his mental strength..... Ever had a really bad cold that makes you feel awful? If so could you give your best playing at 100% for 90 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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