Davefevs Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, wayne allisons tongues said: Guess he was suppose to play a free role but spent most of time on right wing between weimann and Hunt. This meant Nagy had to push up for no cover centrally and Shrewsbury worked that out quickly and took off wider players and filled the middle and from then on we had no control of the game. I’m still confused. Where was Pato playing before Palmer replaced him? We were 442, yes? Pato left, Eliasson right? Brownhill, Nagy CMs? Yes? Did Eliasson go left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 15/01/2020 at 22:51, CityCiderEd said: Just looked at LJ's stats when he was manager at Barnsley and in 42 games he used 10 different formations................ Because he thinks he is much smarter than he actually is. 7 formations apparently this season - I bet tomorrow makes it 8! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted January 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 Thanks for all responses, some of the contributions on here are truly first class. My God OTIB has a lot of quality - take a bow one and all. There's a lot of topics covered here, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 7 hours ago, Pheasant plucker said: With respect it's not purely about statistics. Can't you see with you own eyes the drawbacks of using Eliasson? To be straight, I like Eliasson and what he brings, but I struggle, as Dave Fevs does to be sure if the pros CONSISTANTLY outweigh the cons with our current playing staff/system. And to be fair the stats just back that up. I've thought for months now, if we play Eliasson it has to be a 4231 system, with lots of movement and inter -changing upfront to negate him just being marked out of the game. This system IMHO would also reduced the negative impact of his poor defensive reading of the game when we lose possession. The effort is there defensively with him, he just doesnt appear "savvy" enough at present to me when possession is turned over. Eliasson is our best “footballer” on the ball. Our main “go to” style of play should be based around accommodating him accepting that he can still work bloody hard on weaknesses defensively that allow us to slot him into other systems the Manager might want to set us up with (which will also increase his value massively). The day we rid our squad of all talent and revert to picking 11 players of very average ability because they can be “trusted” in the system is the day I don’t renew my season ticket tbh. The football is bad enough as it is regardless of being 1 point off the play offs. For me entertainment and watching players do things nobody in the stands could do is important. Might not be for everyone else but it is for me. I would rather watch non league football than a “War of Attrition” every week tbh. Because of Managers like Johnson (not just him) we have fans regurgitating exactly what they hear from these people and talk in the pub about systems, formations you never knew existed, transitions, quoting statistics that are often irrelevant and the like. All sounds impressive then you find out they have not kicked a football since Junior School Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: I’m still confused. Where was Pato playing before Palmer replaced him? We were 442, yes? Pato left, Eliasson right? Brownhill, Nagy CMs? Yes? Did Eliasson go left? Was a 4231 to start Hunt baker Williams Rowe Nagy Brownhill Kept dropping deep weimann Pato eliasson These kept swapping around Pato cover Brownhill when deep fammy on his own palmer came on hunt Williams Moore Rowe Nagy Brownhill Palmer weimann Eliasson Fammy Thats how it looked like from the away end Palmer kept going to the right and Weimann Eliasson didn’t swap over. Massive hole which Nagy tried to fill but when pushed up left gap between midfield and defence which Shrewsbury exploited with there subs. Hopefully makes sense now, after match started topic about Palmer and where was he playing for made no sense. Was just getting in the way of Hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 Thanks @wayne allisons tongues, much appreciated. I thought after Pato’s left wing performance v Wigan he’d have kept him there. And then from you say, when Palmer come on, looks like a mix of 4231/433. Im glad I wasn’t there Looks confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheasant plucker Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Numero Uno said: Eliasson is our best “footballer” on the ball. Our main “go to” style of play should be based around accommodating him accepting that he can still work bloody hard on weaknesses defensively that allow us to slot him into other systems the Manager might want to set us up with (which will also increase his value massively). The day we rid our squad of all talent and revert to picking 11 players of very average ability because they can be “trusted” in the system is the day I don’t renew my season ticket tbh. The football is bad enough as it is regardless of being 1 point off the play offs. For me entertainment and watching players do things nobody in the stands could do is important. Might not be for everyone else but it is for me. I would rather watch non league football than a “War of Attrition” every week tbh. Because of Managers like Johnson (not just him) we have fans regurgitating exactly what they hear from these people and talk in the pub about systems, formations you never knew existed, transitions, quoting statistics that are often irrelevant and the like. All sounds impressive then you find out they have not kicked a football since Junior School I'm not against Eliasson playing; far from it. But it has to work. Our head coach and his team need to earn their corn and get it right. I too am not interested in turgid, "safe" football to get results, but what I'm saying is, is for whatever reason when Eliasson plays, after a couple of games he's effectively marked out if the game, and with it all of our "flair" play disappears. As has been said there's no reason we can't accommodate him, not sure why we can't tbh, but there it is, it's a fact we don't seem to play well for more than a game or two with him in the side. Hope we find a way, wide men an attacking football has always been the "Bristol City way". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, Pheasant plucker said: I'm not against Eliasson playing; far from it. But it has to work. Our head coach and his team need to earn their corn and get it right. I too am not interested in turgid, "safe" football to get results, but what I'm saying is, is for whatever reason when Eliasson plays, after a couple of games he's effectively marked out if the game, and with it all of our "flair" play disappears. As has been said there's no reason we can't accommodate him, not sure why we can't tbh, but there it is, it's a fact we don't seem to play well for more than a game or two with him in the side. Hope we find a way, wide men an attacking football has always been the "Bristol City way". Your first comment sums it up for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 If LJ doesn’t want to play Elliasson, why didn’t they sell him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 18 hours ago, Numero Uno said: Eliasson is our best “footballer” on the ball. Our main “go to” style of play should be based around accommodating him accepting that he can still work bloody hard on weaknesses defensively that allow us to slot him into other systems the Manager might want to set us up with (which will also increase his value massively). The day we rid our squad of all talent and revert to picking 11 players of very average ability because they can be “trusted” in the system is the day I don’t renew my season ticket tbh. The football is bad enough as it is regardless of being 1 point off the play offs. For me entertainment and watching players do things nobody in the stands could do is important. Might not be for everyone else but it is for me. I would rather watch non league football than a “War of Attrition” every week tbh. Because of Managers like Johnson (not just him) we have fans regurgitating exactly what they hear from these people and talk in the pub about systems, formations you never knew existed, transitions, quoting statistics that are often irrelevant and the like. All sounds impressive then you find out they have not kicked a football since Junior School I think for a Country that was known for its lack of tactical understanding fans displaying knowledge of the game is a cool thing. In regards to Eliason and systems .. Were you excited when Bristol City beat Manchester Utd? Drama? Dull war of attrition? That system did not have a player in it in Eliason's mould. He would not have been accommodated in it. I understand your point. I feel posters are picking up on Bristol City not having a system. Bristol City are not moving towards football that would accommodate the player or otherwise. There are consistent points made about Elaison that are fair. Opinion is frequently a question of what values you have and want to see. There are fans who yearn to see that excitement of that night, that teams football or similar back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, Matty_Taylor_is_god said: They are also much bigger clubs than we are. Oh right, so you now need to be a big club to be able to play some decent football. Someone better have told Shrewsbury that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Cowshed said: I think for a Country that was known for its lack of tactical understanding fans displaying knowledge of the game is a cool thing. In regards to Eliason and systems .. Were you excited when Bristol City beat Manchester Utd? Drama? Dull war of attrition? That system did not have a player in it in Eliason's mould. He would not have been accommodated in it. I understand your point. I feel posters are picking up on Bristol City not having a system. Bristol City are not moving towards football that would accommodate the player or otherwise. There are consistent points made about Elaison that are fair. Opinion is frequently a question of what values you have and want to see. There are fans who yearn to see that excitement of that night, that teams football or similar back. LJ has tied himself in knots!! We are a reactive team who seem to have no identifiable way of playing except we prefer to counter attack. The way of playing is more important than the formation. You can play a 442 or a 352 in completely different ways, the point being it’s a lot easier to adapt if the common way you play is known by the players. If you try to be front foot one week, back foot the next and wait and see what the other lot do the next you are not helping players at all. Yes it’s cool to have tactical knowledge but LJ seems to use his to confuse himself and everyone around him. From listening to people who were there Tuesday was a prime example. Anyway let’s hope for three points AND a performance later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Cowshed said: I think for a Country that was known for its lack of tactical understanding fans displaying knowledge of the game is a cool thing. In regards to Eliason and systems .. Were you excited when Bristol City beat Manchester Utd? Drama? Dull war of attrition? That system did not have a player in it in Eliason's mould. He would not have been accommodated in it. I understand your point. I feel posters are picking up on Bristol City not having a system. Bristol City are not moving towards football that would accommodate the player or otherwise. There are consistent points made about Elaison that are fair. Opinion is frequently a question of what values you have and want to see. There are fans who yearn to see that excitement of that night, that teams football or similar back. Out of interest, if you were to become City’s Head-Coach, how would you do it, and by that I mean: - do you have a philosophy or system would you try to fit players into it from day one, or gradually transition to it through coaching and recruitment? Or would you look at what you’ve got, find what you think is the best for that group of players and then make that better and better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Numero Uno said: LJ has tied himself in knots!! We are a reactive team who seem to have no identifiable way of playing except we prefer to counter attack. 7 hours ago, Numero Uno said: The way of playing is more important than the formation. You can play a 442 or a 352 in completely different ways, the point being it’s a lot easier to adapt if the common way you play is known by the players. 7 hours ago, Numero Uno said: If you try to be front foot one week, back foot the next and wait and see what the other lot do the next you are not helping players at all. I have used your post in that manner because I agree with all of the points. 7 hours ago, Numero Uno said: Anyway let’s hope for three points AND a performance later Well it was a win. 5 hours ago, Davefevs said: Out of interest, if you were to become City’s Head-Coach, how would you do it, and by that I mean: - do you have a philosophy or system would you try to fit players into it from day one, or gradually transition to it through coaching and recruitment? Or would you look at what you’ve got, find what you think is the best for that group of players and then make that better and better? It is an out there scenario but a question is what is the expectation from the club itself? What is the clubs it (big plan)? Much noise was once made about BCFC’s player pathway and nurturing local talent. Local lads playing in Bristol City’s XI are now a rarity. So the starting point is what is IT and what are the expectations. If its win, win now, play as you want and we can spend this, play eleven Eskimos on the pitch if it gets them the wins they consider to be progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 17/01/2020 at 09:44, Numero Uno said: We will no doubt see Barnsley dominate possession tomorrow but hey, if we win 1-0 on the break then what an amazing game it was. Another LJ masterclass IF YOU ******* LIKE Wasn’t that far out.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Wasn’t that far out.......... Nor me: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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