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FA cup tie with the European and world champions squandered

Out of the play offs and dropping like a stone

No signings and humiliated by an Arsenal youth team player

What will it take for the Lansdowns to make changes???

 

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7 minutes ago, Hare Island said:

FA cup tie with the European and world champions gone

Out of the play offs and dropping like a stone

No signings and humiliated by an Arsenal youth team player

What will it take for the Lansdowns to make changes???

 

Saturday will tell.  Most of us have had enough.  Injuries, well so has everyone else. Fatigue, so has everyone else.  Including bottom half of L1 Shrewsbury.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Quite simple....a decline in league position, at some point between 16:50 on Saturday and end of May along with other unknown factors that make SL think LJ isn’t the man.  Unfortunately we don’t know what those factors are!

We could be back in the top 6 on Saturday evening.  Ask yourself whether you’d think sacking LJ would look sensible then?

To quote the Monty Python “he’s not the messiah”, and to unquote them “he’s not a very naughty boy” either.

He does things that massively frustrate me, as do the players.  But we are in the mix, and as long as we stay in the mix, he’ll have my support, and I suspect SL’s too.  Will I post “I could’ve done better” stuff on OTIB?  You bet I will....but take it with a pinch of salt (as I’m not a pro), and use it as a debating point, not FACT. 😀

 

 

You are spot on with this post, I mentioned on another thread earlier that I think LJ is a great manager when we are going well (which we often do with him), and am quick to doubt his ability to bring us success when he goes on one of his trademark losing streaks.  But the FA Cup has come and gone, Shrewsbury probably wanted it more last night and they deserve their glamour tie (probably against a team containing only 2 or 3 players that anyone has ever heard of), they are not looking anything like play-off contenders and are unlikely to end up in a relegation battle.  With all due respect to the Shrews, we have bigger fish to fry, and we have won 2 of our last 3 league games.  

I view Barnsley as a really big game (but NOT at this stage of the season a must-win!).  3 points could propel us back into the top 6 and showing a return of 9 points from 12.  But if we lose things could get toxic.  

I am still desperate for him to do well, but he does my head in on a regular basis!  

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1 hour ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Saturday will tell.  Most of us have had enough.  Injuries, well so has everyone else. Fatigue, so has everyone else.  Including bottom half of L1 Shrewsbury.

To be fair, all clubs get injuries but ours have been pretty mental in the last two and a half seasons. Possibly amongst the worst?

Am talking medium and long term on the one hand, then recurring ones. Kalas, Nagy still don't seem fit and I believe the former is out again. Baker injured again Tuesday? 

Weve had a shitload of rolling injuries. Talking medium to long term.

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4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Quite simple....a decline in league position, at some point between 16:50 on Saturday and end of May along with other unknown factors that make SL think LJ isn’t the man.  Unfortunately we don’t know what those factors are!

We could be back in the top 6 on Saturday evening.  Ask yourself whether you’d think sacking LJ would look sensible then?

To quote the Monty Python “he’s not the messiah”, and to unquote them “he’s not a very naughty boy” either.

He does things that massively frustrate me, as do the players.  But we are in the mix, and as long as we stay in the mix, he’ll have my support, and I suspect SL’s too.  Will I post “I could’ve done better” stuff on OTIB?  You bet I will....but take it with a pinch of salt (as I’m not a pro), and use it as a debating point, not FACT. 😀

 

 

This.

We're all frustrated right now and I think if this bad run carries on much longer LJ will be gone pretty soon but right now it's still silly to call for his head the way some people are.  As you say we could be in the top 6 on Saturday after winning 3 of our last 4 league games.


It's funny how the same people that are absolutely convinced that LJ can't take us any further were also convinced we were getting relegated 3 years ago.

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5 hours ago, New Dazzler said:

You are spot on with this post, I mentioned on another thread earlier that I think LJ is a great manager when we are going well (which we often do with him), and am quick to doubt his ability to bring us success when he goes on one of his trademark losing streaks.  But the FA Cup has come and gone, Shrewsbury probably wanted it more last night and they deserve their glamour tie (probably against a team containing only 2 or 3 players that anyone has ever heard of), they are not looking anything like play-off contenders and are unlikely to end up in a relegation battle.  With all due respect to the Shrews, we have bigger fish to fry, and we have won 2 of our last 3 league games.  

I view Barnsley as a really big game (but NOT at this stage of the season a must-win!).  3 points could propel us back into the top 6 and showing a return of 9 points from 12.  But if we lose things could get toxic.  

I am still desperate for him to do well, but he does my head in on a regular basis!  

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He wasn’t sacked after the worst run in our history. There is no way he is going anywhere when we are one point from the play offs.

If we finish mid table then maybe SL will act but even then I fully expect him to get another season. 

I am not saying I support it, that’s just my view based on what we have witnessed over the last few years.

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Lansdown has a history of not firing the gun until things go badly. I fear we will be stuck with LJ until our playoff chances have diminished.

Lansdown is too loyal, I feel that I should be quoting Einstein here. Whilst LJ has delivered year on year improvement, let's not forget we have bottled it time and time again in those years and we should have finished higher. The reality is when there is a big must win game, under LJ, more often than not we bottle it. Again I feel I should quote Einstein here. 

The Shrewsbury game was a watershed moment for me. Once again we lost a big game. 

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5 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

To be fair, all clubs get injuries but ours have been pretty mental in the last two and a half seasons. Possibly amongst the worst?

Am talking medium and long term on the one hand, then recurring ones. Kalas, Nagy still don't seem fit and I believe the former is out again. Baker injured again Tuesday? 

Weve had a shitload of rolling injuries. Talking medium to long term.

Then we need to find out why we are getting so many injuries.

We have a raft of fitness and sports science bods at the club maybe they need to up their game ? 

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6 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

Lansdown has a history of not firing the gun until things go badly. I fear we will be stuck with LJ until our playoff chances have diminished.

Lansdown is too loyal, I feel that I should be quoting Einstein here. Whilst LJ has delivered year on year improvement, let's not forget we have bottled it time and time again in those years and we should have finished higher. The reality is when there is a big must win game, under LJ, more often than not we bottle it. Again I feel I should quote Einstein here. 

The Shrewsbury game was a watershed moment for me. Once again we lost a big game. 

Always the bridesmaid.

Whatever happened to him , top poster I thought ? 
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7 hours ago, Hare Island said:

FA cup tie with the European and world champions squandered

Out of the play offs and dropping like a stone

No signings and humiliated by an Arsenal youth team player

What will it take for the Lansdowns to make changes???

 

Simples, beer and food sales to plummet at home matches..............have your pint in the Robins or the Coopers ( as the BBC would say, other pubs are available)

 

As I drive in, I dont drink. I just go to watch the football, and its f******** so predictable and boring

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6 hours ago, New Dazzler said:

You are spot on with this post, I mentioned on another thread earlier that I think LJ is a great manager when we are going well (which we often do with him), and am quick to doubt his ability to bring us success when he goes on one of his trademark losing streaks.  But the FA Cup has come and gone, Shrewsbury probably wanted it more last night and they deserve their glamour tie (probably against a team containing only 2 or 3 players that anyone has ever heard of), they are not looking anything like play-off contenders and are unlikely to end up in a relegation battle.  With all due respect to the Shrews, we have bigger fish to fry, and we have won 2 of our last 3 league games.  

I view Barnsley as a really big game (but NOT at this stage of the season a must-win!).  3 points could propel us back into the top 6 and showing a return of 9 points from 12.  But if we lose things could get toxic.  

I am still desperate for him to do well, but he does my head in on a regular basis!  

We have also won 2 of our last 9 GAMES and they were against the bottom 2 teams.

Lucky Lee has somehow managed to keep us "in the hunt" and has the 3rd from bottom team next to face. A far from easy game however as Barnsley are on a bit of a decent run and will be a tough nut to crack.

Seemed to be not so cocky in the interview after Shrews more like someone backed into a corner and saying anything to escape.

While on paper we are 1pt from a play off place, reality to me says we are no-where near and just a couple of failures away from the bottom half.

We do have some good players (need some more) but not a good team or spirit and thats LEEs fault.

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Personally  think the injuries argument is an easy excuse. If you actually look back at LJs time with us our results and performances have been alot better when his hands are tied. Give him a full squad and he hasn't a clue how to utilise it. Tinker man comes out to play. I remember Barnsley fans saying the exact same thing.

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1 hour ago, One Team said:

He wasn’t sacked after the worst run in our history. There is no way he is going anywhere when we are one point from the play offs.

If we finish mid table then maybe SL will act but even then I fully expect him to get another season. 

I am not saying I support it, that’s just my view based on what we have witnessed over the last few years.

Up to Lansdown isn't it, but people will just stop going

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I can’t see SL pulling the trigger whilst we are still in the mix, but come the end of the season I reckon that will be it. I cannot see him being given another season if we end up mid-table come May.

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1 hour ago, Up The City! said:

Lansdown has a history of not firing the gun until things go badly. I fear we will be stuck with LJ until our playoff chances have diminished.

Lansdown is too loyal, I feel that I should be quoting Einstein here. Whilst LJ has delivered year on year improvement, let's not forget we have bottled it time and time again in those years and we should have finished higher. The reality is when there is a big must win game, under LJ, more often than not we bottle it. Again I feel I should quote Einstein here. 

The Shrewsbury game was a watershed moment for me. Once again we lost a big game. 

This is what I fear. With his new contract I feel like even if we miss playoffs by a decent margin we will be told Lee has earned another go. Patience in football can be commendable but it can also turn very sour. It was commendable when we lost all those games his first season. Think it’ll turn sour this time around. 

1 hour ago, Major Isewater said:

Then we need to find out why we are getting so many injuries.

We have a raft of fitness and sports science bods at the club maybe they need to up their game ? 

Yep the staff needs to be questioned. The fitness and sports science need to figure it out. But what is LJ doing in training that we have had all these injuries? It isn’t even just first team players either. Have we just been that unlucky? 

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1 hour ago, One Team said:

He wasn’t sacked after the worst run in our history. There is no way he is going anywhere when we are one point from the play offs.

If we finish mid table then maybe SL will act but even then I fully expect him to get another season. 

I am not saying I support it, that’s just my view based on what we have witnessed over the last few years.

I reckon LJ will be here next season. The injuries - to Afobe, Kalas, Nagy, JD - have been significant enough to warrant some leniency from SL. Add to this not getting Eddie (assuming that was not LJ's fault/responsibility).

It might be one last chance/season, though: play-offs, or piss off. 

Five seasons without once making the top six, even SL will clock that it's just not happening. Thing is, if Lee sneaks us into sixth next season, we lose at the semi stage, and Steve thinks: we're getting there. It's on.

And so we go again. With Lee. Until 2023.....

 

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7 hours ago, New Dazzler said:

am still desperate for him to do well, but he does my head in on a regular basis!  

Well put. I think this sentiment would be very common across the fan base

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8 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

I cant quite figure out how we are one point off the play offs. We have played pretty poorly in all but a few games. 

I think that ‘one point off the play-offs’ bit is upsetting a few who want the man to lose his job.

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1 minute ago, RedLionLad said:

I think that ‘one point off the play-offs’ bit is upsetting a few who want the man to lose his job.

A massive inconvenience.

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2 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

A massive inconvenience.

The two managers who have taken us to our highest point since being relegated from the old Division One are the ones who have received the most consistent criticism from our ‘supporters’.

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8 hours ago, Hare Island said:

FA cup tie with the European and world champions squandered

Out of the play offs and dropping like a stone

No signings and humiliated by an Arsenal youth team player

What will it take for the Lansdowns to make changes???

 

I think if no signings are made before the weekend and we lose on Saturday - AG will inevitably be very toxic. I genuinely think if we lose they might get rid. 

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I very much buy into the long term project and accept there will be bumps in the road I also believe that we are in the toughest league in the World with no divine right to beat anyone, sign anyone or play attractive football, you earn that right. I don’t know what people expect, some of the things I read blow my mind! We are Bristol City after all. 
 

There are 15 clubs with higher wage bills then ours, 16 have had a higher net spend over 5 years and 11 have higher attendances! We are doing brilliantly considering our stature, I think many forget that. Yes the football has been poor at times, but it is for everyone else, How many clubs do you actually watch and are genuinely impressed by and would want your team to play that way? Every other team outside the top 6 in every league probably feels the same way, that we can all do better! Realistically only 2 teams (in auto spots) can ever be truly content, whilst that lasts. 

It hasn’t been great but some clubs would love to win ugly and pick up 3 points at Wigan like we did. When you are at your absolute worst, but still winning games doesn’t that tell you something about the management and players. I understand frustrations but things can change. The championship has always been about which teams can get on the best run of results at the right time, there are 10-12 teams all capable of reaching the playoffs, maybe this year LJ will time our charge just right.

 

 

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7 hours ago, New Dazzler said:

You are spot on with this post, I mentioned on another thread earlier that I think LJ is a great manager when we are going well (which we often do with him), and am quick to doubt his ability to bring us success when he goes on one of his trademark losing streaks.  But the FA Cup has come and gone, Shrewsbury probably wanted it more last night and they deserve their glamour tie (probably against a team containing only 2 or 3 players that anyone has ever heard of), they are not looking anything like play-off contenders and are unlikely to end up in a relegation battle.  With all due respect to the Shrews, we have bigger fish to fry, and we have won 2 of our last 3 league games.  

I view Barnsley as a really big game (but NOT at this stage of the season a must-win!).  3 points could propel us back into the top 6 and showing a return of 9 points from 12.  But if we lose things could get toxic.  

I am still desperate for him to do well, but he does my head in on a regular basis!  

I'm desperate for him to do well as well, but that's because he's the current City manager and that would mean City doing well, not because he's Lee Johnson ex-player, son of GJ, SL's protege etc.

The unique project we've been subjected to was always almost certain to fail I'm afraid because nothing when he was appointed suggested he was ready to manage a Championship club successfully, in fact the boom and bust characteristics of his management were already notorious at his previous clubs.

You can't attach sentiment to LJ's position as City manager afaic., and I'd hope that's increasingly the case with SL as well.

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13 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I think if no signings are made before the weekend and we lose on Saturday - AG will inevitably be very toxic. I genuinely think if we lose they might get rid. 

I agree, the is generally a sense that a larger amount of fans have finally had enough,

i can see him continuing TIL the end of the season myself but failure to make the top 8 would see him sacked,

lansdown did it to Wilson in the past 

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36 minutes ago, Top Robin said:

I cant quite figure out how we are one point off the play offs. We have played pretty poorly in all but a few games. 

Me too.

The football hasn't been very enjoyable to watch, then suddenly we put in a fantastic pulsating performance against Fulham away and we all think here we go, then as baffling as that game was, we then go back to being crap again.

Obviously we've had one of the worst seasons I can remember for Injuries in a long time, including Afobe, which in turn as made the Palmer transfer a bit awkward as I believe he was only really signed due to their link up play.

Then the Shrewsbury game :sad26:

IMO the Championship this season has been pretty poor apart from Brom and Leeds and I think we're going to look back on this season as a massive opportunity (unless we fluke it) messed up.

But at least we're not looking over our shoulders anymore at the Trap Door to League 1 which is a plus point I suppose.

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8 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

To be fair, all clubs get injuries but ours have been pretty mental in the last two and a half seasons. Possibly amongst the worst?

Am talking medium and long term on the one hand, then recurring ones. Kalas, Nagy still don't seem fit and I believe the former is out again. Baker injured again Tuesday? 

Weve had a shitload of rolling injuries. Talking medium to long term.

Why have we had so many long term injuries in the last few years?

Simply bad luck? Or is/are there reasons/actions that are responsible for so many?

Is it coincidence that many of the long term injured are new arrivals at the club? Is it coincidence that it's happened to Johnson signings? Whereas the Cottrell side played a couple of seasons with hardly any injuries, as far as I can remember.

Without looking up stats, here are some of the long term injuries in the last four years.

Kalas, Dasilva, Nagy, Adobe, Adelakun, Marley Watkins, Janneh (twice), Matt Taylor, Diedhiou, O'Dowda, Fielding. There may be others that I've not remembered. And the frequently injured Baker. 

Bad luck or other factors?

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9 hours ago, Hare Island said:

FA cup tie with the European and world champions squandered

Out of the play offs and dropping like a stone

No signings and humiliated by an Arsenal youth team player

What will it take for the Lansdowns to make changes???

 

As stated on this forum yesterday, to make a statement to the LANDSDOWNs, say it with your feet on Saturday, stay away, 

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 I’ll be going getting behind the boys. It’s not over till it’s over.  We are all frustrated with being in a solid position prior to Christmas. Then to hit poor form.  You can see in Lee’s interview the other night that hurt him.  Let’s hope he’s working hard behind the scenes. Not just at the players his coaching staff and himself.  I believe he needs to add something more to his coaching staff.  

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Looking at the fixtures, I strongly doubt that a win will propel us into the top 6:

Millwall v Reading

Preston v Charlton

Sheff Wed v Blackburn

Swansea v Wigan

Could be a bad time to drop points!

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I don't hold out much hope of being propelled us back into the top 6 this weekend.

All but one (Hull) of the teams around us have home ties to bottom half opponents - one or two might slip up but not all.

It does mean a win is very important though as it will be very easy for us to sink to 11th or even 12th without one.

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8 minutes ago, handballbygordonparr said:

I don't hold out much hope of being propelled us back into the top 6 this weekend.

All but one (Hull) of the teams around us have home ties to bottom half opponents - one or two might slip up but not all.

It does mean a win is very important though as it will be very easy for us to sink to 11th or even 12th without one.

Great minds 😉

Ahead of a difficult trip to QPR, a win would make a big difference. 

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1 hour ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

I reckon LJ will be here next season. The injuries - to Afobe, Kalas, Nagy, JD - have been significant enough to warrant some leniency from SL. Add to this not getting Eddie (assuming that was not LJ's fault/responsibility).

It might be one last chance/season, though: play-offs, or piss off. 

Five seasons without once making the top six, even SL will clock that it's just not happening. Thing is, if Lee sneaks us into sixth next season, we lose at the semi stage, and Steve thinks: we're getting there. It's on.

And so we go again. With Lee. Until 2023.....

 

In fairness, if we make the play offs then he will merit another shot . 
#progression 

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8 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

Why have we had so many long term injuries in the last few years?

Simply bad luck? Or is/are there reasons/actions that are responsible for so many?

Is it coincidence that many of the long term injured are new arrivals at the club? Is it coincidence that it's happened to Johnson signings? Whereas the Cottrell side played a couple of seasons with hardly any injuries, as far as I can remember.

Without looking up stats, here are some of the long term injuries in the last four years.

Kalas, Dasilva, Nagy, Adobe, Adelakun, Marley Watkins, Janneh (twice), Matt Taylor, Diedhiou, O'Dowda, Fielding. There may be others that I've not remembered. And the frequently injured Baker. 

Bad luck or other factors?

Wasn't Pisano out for a while?

Djuric too, Hegeler...Nagy this season for 2-3 months was it. That's medium term at best.

Training, tactics? Two possible reasons.

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10 hours ago, Hare Island said:

FA cup tie with the European and world champions squandered

Out of the play offs and dropping like a stone

No signings and humiliated by an Arsenal youth team player

What will it take for the Lansdowns to make changes???

 

A hedgehog apparently.... 

Spiny Norman? 

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Looking around - not many Championship teams have made much progress in this window...usually deals are done in the last week and this is the hardest window to get players in.

REDANDPROUD - 'Making a statement to the Lansdowns' - who have spent millions on the club...given us a beautiful stadium...wiped off debt...trying to make us self-sustainable. What on earth!

We have become a top half team in the Championship, fleeting with the play offs. We are not an ex-premiership club with millions to spend under FFP.

Effing Relax!

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8 hours ago, DirtySanchez said:

Looking around - not many Championship teams have made much progress in this window...usually deals are done in the last week and this is the hardest window to get players in.

REDANDPROUD - 'Making a statement to the Lansdowns' - who have spent millions on the club...given us a beautiful stadium...wiped off debt...trying to make us self-sustainable. What on earth!

We have become a top half team in the Championship, fleeting with the play offs. We are not an ex-premiership club with millions to spend under FFP.

Effing Relax!

Maybe FFP- or should I say, proper enforcement of FFP, is starting to bite a bit?

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34 minutes ago, Redandproud said:

As stated on this forum yesterday, to make a statement to the LANDSDOWNs, say it with your feet on Saturday, stay away, 

Yeah, great shout! Let’s boycott the game to show our displeasure about possibly moving back in to the top 6..! 
FFS some people on here need took take a look at themselves..! 
 

IF we win on Saturday, yes it’s an “IF” based on recent results - we’d very possibly be in the top 6. We’d have won 3 of our last 4 league games (albeit against lower table opposition) and be averaging pretty much 1.6pts per game over the 28 games played. Which is right on the cusp (the season average) of taking 6th place, over the course of a season, despite having had a bad run recently, although not forgetting very few defeats during the first half of the season. 
 

So, IF we win on Saturday, we’d be well placed, probably punching above our weight, again, and hopefully with much needed extra firepower on its way for the remainder of the season. 

And many of you want to sack the manager that’s got us in that position..?! 
 

 

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6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Maybe FFP- or should I say, proper enforcement of FFP, is starting to bite a bit?

Yes there are a few clubs looking over their shoulders, hoping the EFL has balls to make a statement.

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3 hours ago, Up The City! said:

Lansdown has a history of not firing the gun until things go badly. I fear we will be stuck with LJ until our playoff chances have diminished.

Lansdown is too loyal, I feel that I should be quoting Einstein here. Whilst LJ has delivered year on year improvement, let's not forget we have bottled it time and time again in those years and we should have finished higher. The reality is when there is a big must win game, under LJ, more often than not we bottle it. Again I feel I should quote Einstein here. 

The Shrewsbury game was a watershed moment for me. Once again we lost a big game. 

I was sitting in a pub near the ground after the game in Shrewsbury on Tuesday, sharing a quiet pint with Einstein and reflecting on Dave's missed chances. He said 

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing".

He always talks sh1te when he's p1ssed

 

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50 minutes ago, Redandproud said:

As stated on this forum yesterday, to make a statement to the LANDSDOWNs, say it with your feet on Saturday, stay away, 

Did that for the Shrewsbury home game, but Barnsley is already paid for. 

Aiming to amble down on Saturday, albeit with very little enthusiasm, but that's been the case for a while now.

I see Barnsley as being potentially a very interesting afternoon for lots of reasons so well worth turning up. Outside chance it might even be enjoyable!

ST renewal will be my time to make a statement, if necessary.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Maybe FFP is starting to bite a bit?

I think so. It doesn’t help that the Prem teams sign decent Championship strikers, stick them on big wages and when it doesn’t work  it’s almost impossible for Championship sides to meet their wage demands let alone the transfer fee, for example Dwight Gayle £60k , Che Adams £50k, Andre Gray £70k, Glenn Murray £35k (quick google searches). It’s a very very tough time to sign anyone.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Major Isewater said:

In fairness, if we make the play offs then he will merit another shot . 
#progression 

I think if we finish 7-12th Johnson would have the excuse that we had a transition season with raft of signings, and an injury crisis. 

He would probably then go into 2020-21 with a lot to prove, and limited patience at the club.

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11 hours ago, Hare Island said:

FA cup tie with the European and world champions squandered

Out of the play offs and dropping like a stone

No signings and humiliated by an Arsenal youth team player

What will it take for the Lansdowns to make changes???

 

No changes this season.

We won't get relegated and the owner will give his man the chance to salvage something from the season so that a positive spin can be made of the term.

If we improve league position then "he told us so"

If we finish just below last seasons effort, reasons will be cited for the slip (injuries and bad luck with loan deals)

If we end up around 15th then maybe a tearful joint press conference where undying love and respect are proclaimed and an amicable separation occurs.

Jamie Mac unveiled as the new head coach straight afterwards.

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