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Hare Island

Halfway through the January window

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I just cannot get behind Lee anymore, people saying that we are only 1 pt off the playoffs really need to have a stock check, we were 3rd at one point and yet again Lee with inconsistent formations and lack of knowledge around best 11 (why we aren't playing 4-2-3-1 I don't know, seems taylor made for our best players) its embarrassing. I haven't been going this season, but checking the scores and line ups and what I hear from people that do go it seems Lee is out of ideas, like he is every time we have a bad streak, which he inevitably does, year in, year out. How Elliasson isn't first name on the team sheet is beyond me, one of the best crossers in the league, and he gets benched because we worry about nullifying the opposition so much. Weimann and Deidhiou dont work up front together, playing 3 behind Deidhiou would likely work better as he would have more players working off of him, ideally we would replace him, but looking less and less likely we will get a starting centre forward in this window, in classic city style. We have known our weaknesses for years now, when is Lee going to be able to build a balanced squad? Hes had enough transfer windows now.

 

As you can tell i have lost faith, yes, we have had year on year improvement in league position, but at the same time we have squandered genuine chances to finish top 4 let alone play offs.

It needs to change, I genuinely think that a change in manager resulting in a more settled formation and starting 11 would immediately return results. And also, we need a name that can attract a decent centre forward as we are truly lacking there.

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I know I've said it before but I think people underestimate how ruthless and unsentimental Steve Lansdown is. I suspect Lee Johnson is still the manager for one reason and one reason only - which is that Steve Lansdown believes he can succeed as a manager at the club in the long-term. I suspect that's why he stuck with him during the losing streak and why he has not acted so far.

But facts are only true until they change. If you go back just over a month to the 7 December, we had won 4 of our last 5, produced hugely impressive performances at home to Huddersfield and away to Fulham and, if Lansdown had sacked Lee Johnson after the Fulham game, everyone would have been livid with Lansdown for getting rid of the manager when we were fourth in the table and looked as well equipped for promotion as we had for over a decade. Just over a month later, the picture looks very very different. But it is still explainable as a blip if things improve.

The reality is that, whatever you think about Lansdown's time at Bristol City, nobody can doubt his success in finance. And ultimately you succeed in finance by holding your nerve during temporary blips and riding out the difficult periods on the basis of trusting your instinct that things will improve.

But then also taking action if that instinct proves wrong.

People talk about Lee Johnson as though he gets special treatment but Steve Lansdown has a track record of backing managers longer than other Chairmen would. The signs were there that all was not right with Cotterill from late August onwards. No change was made until January.  SOD started the 2012/2013 season terribly but held his post until December People were clamouring for McInnes to go for at least two months before he did.Tinnion was allowed to start a second season after a disappointing first one.

The reality is, throughout his time here, Steve Lansdown as never rushed to sack a manager and - Steve Coppell aside - no manager has left until even people who were sympathetic him have accepted things are not going to change. The fact Lansdown has stuck by Lee Johnson now isn't because Lansdown has a blind spot for Lee Johnson but because he does not rush to sack managers and never has. 

If things do not improve, Lee Johnson will be out. Simple as. It's up to LJ to prove over the next few weeks that this blip is temporary. Personally I don't think he will but I accept I have been wrong before...

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Wasn't Pisano out for a while?

Djuric too, Hegeler...Nagy this season for 2-3 months was it. That's medium term at best.

Training, tactics? Two possible reasons.

Thanks for the extra info Mr P. I've been following City for so long and cannot remember any time in history when we have, consistently every season, had so many long term injuries.

Training, tactics are two possible. So is just sheer bad luck.

Old adage was "the harder you tackle, the less chance of serious injury." Could it be because players are not going in hard enough, or are they so desperate to be seen as tackling hard, that they are too reckless? Reckless because of the consequences if management see them as not trying hard enough?

And are the injured being brought back too early? Amazed at LJ saying that Dasilva stress fracture is not completely healed (or words to that effect).

All very puzzling.

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The winter window is never easy. Agents tend to hang on until the last minute and they all know that City are desperate for a striker and may well be playing a waiting game in an attempt to get a better deal.

I’d be no surprise if bugger all happens until the last day of January.

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13 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I know I've said it before but I think people underestimate how ruthless and unsentimental Steve Lansdown is. I suspect Lee Johnson is still the manager for one reason and one reason only - which is that Steve Lansdown believes he can succeed as a manager at the club in the long-term. I suspect that's why he stuck with him during the losing streak and why he has not acted so far.

But facts are only true until they change. If you go back just over a month to the 7 December, we had won 4 of our last 5, produced hugely impressive performances at home to Huddersfield and away to Fulham and, if Lansdown had sacked Lee Johnson after the Fulham game, everyone would have been livid with Lansdown for getting rid of the manager when we were fourth in the table and looked as well equipped for promotion as we had for over a decade. Just over a month later, the picture looks very very different. But it is still explainable as a blip if things improve.

The reality is that, whatever you think about Lansdown's time at Bristol City, nobody can doubt his success in finance. And ultimately you succeed in finance by holding your nerve during temporary blips and riding out the difficult periods on the basis of trusting your instinct that things will improve.

But then also taking action if that instinct proves wrong.

People talk about Lee Johnson as though he gets special treatment but Steve Lansdown has a track record of backing managers longer than other Chairmen would. The signs were there that all was not right with Cotterill from late August onwards. No change was made until January.  SOD started the 2012/2013 season terribly but held his post until December People were clamouring for McInnes to go for at least two months before he did.Tinnion was allowed to start a second season after a disappointing first one.

The reality is, throughout his time here, Steve Lansdown as never rushed to sack a manager and - Steve Coppell aside - no manager has left until even people who were sympathetic him have accepted things are not going to change. The fact Lansdown has stuck by Lee Johnson now isn't because Lansdown has a blind spot for Lee Johnson but because he does not rush to sack managers and never has. 

If things do not improve, Lee Johnson will be out. Simple as. It's up to LJ to prove over the next few weeks that this blip is temporary. Personally I don't think he will but I accept I have been wrong before...

This is the thing that really gets me with Johnson and this "identity" thing. 

After the great Huddersfield and Fulham wins (more importantly performances), you knew he just had to tweak the formation, when there seemed to be nothing wrong, and everyone knew their jobs and most fans would say that it was our best starting 11. Bring forward the tweaked formation for Millwall and it was terrible (granted I have to give Millwall some credit), change again against Blackburn and again poor. Then rather than go back to the Huddersfield/Fulham tactics/formation he drops Eliasson, Massengo & Nagy and has a completely different midfield and we are part of one of the worst games to be watched this season.

So yes the picture looks very, very different, but because (in my opinion) he overthinks every game and cannot just leave a side alone. Where has the passing game gone? We now look like a side who have just met eachother and do not know what we are doing as individuals, let alone as a team.

He either somehow gets us an "identity" and just sticks to it extremely quickly, or he has to be let go and someone else has to come in and get the best out of the players we have got - playing decent attacking football. Away from home I can accept the grinding out results etc, but at home I cannot - unless there is some excitement between now and the end of the season at Ashton Gate I can see tickets sales dropping, and then Lansdown will be forced to do something about it.

 

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We’re soft. 

We appoint compliant managers and coaches. We buy lightweight and weak-minded players. We’re a shambles. 

 

We’ve seemingly got  players who don’t want to be here, don’t want to play for the manager, probably get leg strains from stiff clutches on their latest flash cars (remember Giggsy), players who only want to turn out when its sunny and warm, players who hide when the going gets tough..... it goes on. 

We know we’re stuck with ‘the genius’ for the rest of the season. Increasingly likely now that we are going to do our normal disastrous January window, so may as well experiment - just go for the ones that have delivered (with us or on loan) and might have, or are proven to have, a bit of bottle.

 

                          Bents

K Smith       Wright    Taylor Moore       Dasilva

    J Smith      Morrell   Rowe      Eliasson

                     Fammy  Taylor

 

Would suspect that team to have dealt with the likes of Shrewsbury over two legs and at least would put in a united shift worthy of support during league matches.

Frankly, **** poor that we’ve ended up with scraping a team together given the effort put into identifying our transfer targets, setting aside the £millions spent. 

 

If I were Lansdown, I’d send the rest of the squad down to Lympstone for 6 weeks commando training to toughen them up a bit. 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, RedRock said:

We’re soft. 

We appoint compliant managers and coaches. We buy lightweight and weak-minded players. We’re a shambles. 

 

We’ve seemingly got  players who don’t want to be here, don’t want to play for the manager, probably get leg strains from stiff clutches on their latest flash cars (remember Giggsy), players who only want to turn out when its sunny and warm, players who hide when the going gets tough..... it goes on. 

We know we’re stuck with ‘the genius’ for the rest of the season. Increasingly likely now that we are going to do our normal disastrous January window, so may as well experiment - just go for the ones that have delivered (with us or on loan) and might have, or are proven to have, a bit of bottle.

 

                          Bents

K Smith       Wright    Taylor Moore       Dasilva

    J Smith      Morrell   Rowe      Eliasson

                     Fammy  Taylor

 

Would suspect that team to have dealt with the likes of Shrewsbury over two legs and at least would put in a united shift worthy of support during league matches.

Frankly, **** poor that we’ve ended up with scraping a team together given the effort put into identifying our transfer targets, setting aside the £millions spent. 

 

If I were Lansdown, I’d send the rest of the squad down to Lympstone for 6 weeks commando training to toughen them up a bit. 

 

 

Korey right back, Jonny and Morrell straight in, Taylor back? Not for me thanks.

Whether or not they would or should have beaten Shrewsbury is a different matter, the side we put out should have. But who coaches them to play how they did (without it just being an off day)?? Man United should have beaten us, that isn't the point though.

If I was Lansdown I wouldn't give Johnson another penny for any permanents unless players are gone out the door. How many more does he want to buy, when is it going to click, what is our identity? Desperation springs to mind.

As many seem to want to name Brentford as what we should be like (me included), I would say if we had their manager at the start of the season, we would definitely had a shaky start like they did, and we may be around the same league position we are now, but the future performances and chances of getting cemented in the top 6, and a possible promotion would be a lot higher - I know it isn't that simple though. I am just baffled by the tactics/formations of our coach who has had years to at least show us what he wants, yet it changes by the week.

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5 minutes ago, wood_red said:

Korey right back, Jonny and Morrell straight in, Taylor back? Not for me thanks.

Whether or not they would or should have beaten Shrewsbury is a different matter, the side we put out should have. But who coaches them to play how they did (without it just being an off day)?? Man United should have beaten us, that isn't the point though.

If I was Lansdown I wouldn't give Johnson another penny for any permanents unless players are gone out the door. How many more does he want to buy, when is it going to click, what is our identity? Desperation springs to mind.

As many seem to want to name Brentford as what we should be like (me included), I would say if we had their manager at the start of the season, we would definitely had a shaky start like they did, and we may be around the same league position we are now, but the future performances and chances of getting cemented in the top 6, and a possible promotion would be a lot higher - I know it isn't that simple though. I am just baffled by the tactics/formations of our coach who has had years to at least show us what he wants, yet it changes by the week.

he came through all youth levels at norwich as a right back to be fair 

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2 hours ago, mozo said:

Looking at the fixtures, I strongly doubt that a win will propel us into the top 6:

Millwall v Reading

Preston v Charlton

Sheff Wed v Blackburn

Swansea v Wigan

Could be a bad time to drop points!

Reading..Away win,  Preston..Draw,  Sheff Wed..Draw, Wigan..Away win...........This the Championship, the only certainty is?......there is no certainty!  🙃🙃

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1 minute ago, maxjak said:

Reading..Away win,  Preston..Draw,  Sheff Wed..Draw, Wigan..Away win...........This the Championship, the only certainty is?......there is no certainty!  🙃🙃

but it will go 

Millwall win (undefeated in the last 4 winning 2)

Preston D both teams are out of form

Wednesday win (though draw is a good shout as both teams form aren't great)

Swansea win (too strong for a poor wigan side and are in form)

 

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9 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

Thanks for the extra info Mr P. I've been following City for so long and cannot remember any time in history when we have, consistently every season, had so many long term injuries.

Training, tactics are two possible. So is just sheer bad luck.

Old adage was "the harder you tackle, the less chance of serious injury." Could it be because players are not going in hard enough, or are they so desperate to be seen as tackling hard, that they are too reckless? Reckless because of the consequences if management see them as not trying hard enough?

And are the injured being brought back too early? Amazed at LJ saying that Dasilva stress fracture is not completely healed (or words to that effect).

All very puzzling.

Could well be cidered.

Kalas is injured again, Nagy doesn't seem fully fit. I was worried about the risk of rushing back DaSilva too- i remember posting a while ago that I hoped these 3 were not rushed back too soon and LJ promised Boxing Day or club did and he appeared...I hoped it was fine but who knows.

I remember 2 seasons ago, Pisano and O'Dowda appeared suddenly in the lineup...vs Sheffield Wednesday at home first weekend of March and at Millwall respectively. I wondered if they were rushed back and shoehorned in before time. Let's hope not though!

That's an interesting point, the tackling. My personal theory at one point was the combination of high pressing or supposed high pressing, not a lot of possession and our shape could have knackered certain players- covering so much ground, more than necessary due to shape and space coverage.

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14 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

he came through all youth levels at norwich as a right back to be fair 

He has also played for us there and was pretty poor from memory. If that was his best position now, then he would have played there more times than he has for us wouldn't he?

If the right back answer is Korey then questions need to be asked imo.

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4 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

but it will go 

Millwall win (undefeated in the last 4 winning 2)

Preston D both teams are out of form

Wednesday win (though draw is a good shout as both teams form aren't great)

Swansea win (too strong for a poor wigan side and are in form)

 

Worst case scenario is that Swansea beat Wigan as expected. We unexpectedly (?!) lose to Barnsley. Then Swansea beat Stoke away when we don't play next week.

Swansea would be 6th and 7 points ahead of us.

Fine, we'd have a game in hand but that's not much comfort.

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1 minute ago, wood_red said:

He has also played for us there and was pretty poor from memory. If that was his best position now, then he would have played there more times than he has for us wouldn't he?

If the right back answer is Korey then questions need to be asked imo.

disagree there, I always thought he did a decent job at right back, although he had a problem of drifting into the middle, but central players will do that,

Put it another way I wouldn't mind him starting ahead of hunt at right back until hunt rediscovers his form

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

The winter window is never easy. Agents tend to hang on until the last minute and they all know that City are desperate for a striker and may well be playing a waiting game in an attempt to get a better deal.

I’d be no surprise if bugger all happens until the last day of January.

Agreed, however other teams seem to doing better...

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3 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

I'm desperate for him to do well as well, but that's because he's the current City manager and that would mean City doing well, not because he's Lee Johnson ex-player, son of GJ, SL's protege etc.

The unique project we've been subjected to was always almost certain to fail I'm afraid because nothing when he was appointed suggested he was ready to manage a Championship club successfully, in fact the boom and bust characteristics of his management were already notorious at his previous clubs.

You can't attach sentiment to LJ's position as City manager afaic., and I'd hope that's increasingly the case with SL as well.

I am not quite sure why you seem to think , from my post that you quoted, that I want to him to do well for any other reason than he is the club's current manager. In fact I am totally puzzled that you came to that conclusion!  I have no sentiment to any manager, I just judge them on the job they do here,  and have always despised some of the cosy club cultures/nepotism that the club seems to indulge in, Tinnion and Millen's managerial appointment's, as well as Johnson senior always picking his son, being great examples of that!

I wanted LJ gone 3 years ago during "that run", as most probably did, but that didn't happen and things took a turn for the better, but these losing runs are still a problem, which I addressed in my post.  But I don't give a flying fig about the FA Cup, we can now concentrate on trying to get promoted, and we are 1 point outside the play-offs, so we have a great chance of making the top 6.  I am also not bothered about performances, results are everything, it does not matter if the football is not pretty. 

So my view is that, as we are still right in the play-off mix, it would not be a good time to sack LJ (the exception to that might be if there was an obvious candidate that we thought could almost guarantee success).  However, if we fail to make the play-offs this season (and we have history of dropping off in the 2nd half of the season) then we should get rid, whether we miss out on goal difference or even if some goon of a referee drops a clanger in the last minute of the last game of the season that means we don't make the play-offs, we should just be ruthless and replace the whole management team.  

If that makes be sound like a sentimental old fart, then so be it!

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4 hours ago, RedLionLad said:

I think that ‘one point off the play-offs’ bit is upsetting a few who want the man to lose his job.

Its not the one point of the play offs, its we have been here before many times; it was not long back we were right behind the likes of Wolves near the top of this div, they have reached the high spots of the Prem we have just gone around in circles.

LJ seems un-able to get the best out of what are some good players, which no doubt is why most of our "good" are keen to move on...... every season.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, glos old boy said:

Its not the one point of the play offs, its we have been here before many times; it was not long back we were right behind the likes of Wolves near the top of this div, they have reached the high spots of the Prem we have just gone around in circles.

LJ seems un-able to get the best out of what are some good players, which no doubt is why most of our "good" are keen to move on...... every season.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They also had and still indeed utilise a superagent.

That makes a big difference. We all know what SL thinks of agents...would he countenance a Jorge Mendes type arrangement here?

That said, I agree that LJ cannot and hasn't been able to get the best out of a reasonable range of players. Recurring theme.

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25 minutes ago, New Dazzler said:

I am not quite sure why you seem to think , from my post that you quoted, that I want to him to do well for any other reason than he is the club's current manager. In fact I am totally puzzled that you came to that conclusion!  I have no sentiment to any manager, I just judge them on the job they do here,  and have always despised some of the cosy club cultures/nepotism that the club seems to indulge in, Tinnion and Millen's managerial appointment's, as well as Johnson senior always picking his son, being great examples of that!

I wanted LJ gone 3 years ago during "that run", as most probably did, but that didn't happen and things took a turn for the better, but these losing runs are still a problem, which I addressed in my post.  But I don't give a flying fig about the FA Cup, we can now concentrate on trying to get promoted, and we are 1 point outside the play-offs, so we have a great chance of making the top 6.  I am also not bothered about performances, results are everything, it does not matter if the football is not pretty. 

So my view is that, as we are still right in the play-off mix, it would not be a good time to sack LJ (the exception to that might be if there was an obvious candidate that we thought could almost guarantee success).  However, if we fail to make the play-offs this season (and we have history of dropping off in the 2nd half of the season) then we should get rid, whether we miss out on goal difference or even if some goon of a referee drops a clanger in the last minute of the last game of the season that means we don't make the play-offs, we should just be ruthless and replace the whole management team.  

If that makes be sound like a sentimental old fart, then so be it!

Well, re-reading your previous post I can still see why I saw it as a reasonable possible conclusion to come to, but fair play you have now made it abundantly clear I was mistaken to do so!

Good post btw.

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3 hours ago, mozo said:

I think if we finish 7-12th Johnson would have the excuse that we had a transition season with raft of signings, and an injury crisis. 

He would probably then go into 2020-21 with a lot to prove, and limited patience at the club.

But? Has he muddied the waters in the City staff? Comment regarding MA after cup loss will not have gone down very well!

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37 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

They also had and still indeed utilise a superagent.

That makes a big difference. We all know what SL thinks of agents...would he countenance a Jorge Mendes type arrangement here?

That said, I agree that LJ cannot and hasn't been able to get the best out of a reasonable range of players. Recurring theme.

It didn't and still doesn't hurt Wolves having a super coach either !

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3 minutes ago, Natchfever said:

It didn't and still doesn't hurt Wolves having a super coach either !

Do you think said coach would have even heard of Wolves without the involvement of said agent?

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3 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Do you think said coach would have even heard of Wolves without the involvement of said agent?

Said coach is a football man so would certainly have heard of Wolves.

Academic really though, because they do have a super coach who has more than met expectations up there,who arguably had his two toughest games against us during their promotion season, which possibly gives a lot of City fans food for thought when they consider our seasons since then.

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3 hours ago, Natchfever said:

Jamie Mac unveiled as the new head coach straight afterwards.

I dread to think what this forum would be like. It’s bad enough now.

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23 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

I dread to think what this forum would be like. It’s bad enough now.

Honestly, I think he'd be better received purely because he isn't Lee Johnson.

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27 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Honestly, I think he'd be better received purely because he isn't Lee Johnson.

The reception might be ok.....but God help him if he’s ever just one point off the play-offs in January.

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4 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

And are the injured being brought back too early? Amazed at LJ saying that Dasilva stress fracture is not completely healed (or words to that effect).

All very puzzling.

I can't believe we'd even risk him playing if he wasn't 100% It's crazy. 

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We were supposedly going to bring in two strikers. Allowing for the club maybe  banking on Ntekiah being one then surely we should have someone else being lined up. And we have 16 days of the window now gone. Then you read in the Post that now Ntekiah has fallen through the club will look at other targets!! For those more learned than me , was Ntekiah going to be the only striker signed this window. And has this caught Ashton and co out. 

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3 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said:

We were supposedly going to bring in two strikers. Allowing for the club maybe  banking on Ntekiah being one then surely we should have someone else being lined up. And we have 16 days of the window now gone. Then you read in the Post that now Ntekiah has fallen through the club will look at other targets!! For those more learned than me , was Ntekiah going to be the only striker signed this window. And has this caught Ashton and co out. 

We would of been looking at other targets before during and after the transfer window,

not getting Eddie will not make much of a difference to that to be honest

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4 hours ago, Monkeh said:

but it will go 

Millwall win (undefeated in the last 4 winning 2)

Preston D both teams are out of form

Wednesday win (though draw is a good shout as both teams form aren't great)

Swansea win (too strong for a poor wigan side and are in form)

 

I'll tell u what............I will bet Reading away win....`Preston deaw......Sheff W draw and Swansea Draw {Slight change, as i cannot see Wigan winning away} for £5 on Betfair...........and see if I win?    Ha|  Very unlikely, BWTF. 😇  PS. Very confident of Reading away win........as they are in great form ( Won 5 out of 6 - unbeaten in 9}

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2 hours ago, Ryan_BCFC said:

According to Dean Holden nothing is imminent either, oh the joys!! 

I wouldn't be surprised if the purse strings have been tightened, especially after the cup defeat, think we will see a striker due to the Afobe injury but that may be it and in my view that's probably the right way to go, you can't keep signing loads of players, make do with what you've got !!

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Halfway through January Window?

The optimists will say the window is half-open; the pessimists will say it's half-closed.

The ultra-pessimists will say its curtains for us.

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5 hours ago, Natchfever said:

It didn't and still doesn't hurt Wolves having a super coach either !

He's very good certainly. Done great work there and was good at Valencia. 

What I would say and this leads into your 2nd post to Northern Red I think, he'd surely have heard of Wolves, their history and yes a decent opportunity but in terms of Nuno to Wolves who had been midtable, lower midtable in the prior season in the Championship, I'm unsure it goes Nuno- Valencia and managing in CL, Porto and managing in CL-, non parachute flush Wolves, managing in...C, er, Championship.

Pretty sure Nuno and Mendes were as a pair at Valencia, Porto I dunno about.

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7 hours ago, RedRock said:

We’re soft. 

We appoint compliant managers and coaches. We buy lightweight and weak-minded players. We’re a shambles. 

 

We’ve seemingly got  players who don’t want to be here, don’t want to play for the manager, probably get leg strains from stiff clutches on their latest flash cars (remember Giggsy), players who only want to turn out when its sunny and warm, players who hide when the going gets tough..... it goes on. 

We know we’re stuck with ‘the genius’ for the rest of the season. Increasingly likely now that we are going to do our normal disastrous January window, so may as well experiment - just go for the ones that have delivered (with us or on loan) and might have, or are proven to have, a bit of bottle.

 

                          Bents

K Smith       Wright    Taylor Moore       Dasilva

    J Smith      Morrell   Rowe      Eliasson

                     Fammy  Taylor

 

Would suspect that team to have dealt with the likes of Shrewsbury over two legs and at least would put in a united shift worthy of support during league matches.

Frankly, **** poor that we’ve ended up with scraping a team together given the effort put into identifying our transfer targets, setting aside the £millions spent. 

 

If I were Lansdown, I’d send the rest of the squad down to Lympstone for 6 weeks commando training to toughen them up a bit. 

 

 

A nice mud run..good for the skin!

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12 hours ago, glos old boy said:

We have also won 2 of our last 9 GAMES and they were against the bottom 2 teams.

Lucky Lee has somehow managed to keep us "in the hunt" and has the 3rd from bottom team next to face. A far from easy game however as Barnsley are on a bit of a decent run and will be a tough nut to crack.

Seemed to be not so cocky in the interview after Shrews more like someone backed into a corner and saying anything to escape.

While on paper we are 1pt from a play off place, reality to me says we are no-where near and just a couple of failures away from the bottom half.

We do have some good players (need some more) but not a good team or spirit and thats LEEs fault.

We are indeed, but on the flip, we are a couple of wins (not performances) away from being right in the thick of it.  These next 3/4 games will leave us much clearer.  If we are still 1 point off or better, that’s fine.  If we are 4/5+ points off the play-offs, and 9/10th then it probably looks like we are falling away.

10 hours ago, mozo said:

Looking at the fixtures, I strongly doubt that a win will propel us into the top 6:

Millwall v Reading

Preston v Charlton

Sheff Wed v Blackburn

Swansea v Wigan

Could be a bad time to drop points!

It’s the Championship, it’s bonkers.

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Back to the thread title. After Saturday we don't play again until after the window closes (slams shut !). I would assume SL / MA are waiting to see what happens vs Barnsley before making any final decision on new players. No rush now until deadline day.

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6 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

They also had and still indeed utilise a superagent.

That makes a big difference. We all know what SL thinks of agents...would he countenance a Jorge Mendes type arrangement here?

That said, I agree that LJ cannot and hasn't been able to get the best out of a reasonable range of players. Recurring theme.

Don't think this is exactly true he has got the best out of plenty of players - some he has, some he hasn't just like most managers. Flint, Bryan, Kelly, Webster, Reid, for example all players who moved on as a result of him getting the best out of them. A few of those examples haven't had the same success elsewhere. Also when he arrived he kept us up with the same players that had been struggling. I think we are like most other clubs and LJ like most other managers in this respect. 

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2 hours ago, BCFC Richard said:

Don't think this is exactly true he has got the best out of plenty of players - some he has, some he hasn't just like most managers. Flint, Bryan, Kelly, Webster, Reid, for example all players who moved on as a result of him getting the best out of them. A few of those examples haven't had the same success elsewhere. Also when he arrived he kept us up with the same players that had been struggling. I think we are like most other clubs and LJ like most other managers in this respect. 

Didn't LJ also have the services of 6 new players - Matthews, Pearce, O'Donnell, Tomlin, Odemwingie and Golbourne?

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20 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Didn't LJ also have the services of 6 new players - Matthews, Pearce, O'Donnell, Tomlin, Odemwingie and Golbourne?

Happy to be corrected but I thought they were all here thought LJ arrived after thd window closed. Memory does play tricks with these things though. 

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3 hours ago, BCFC Richard said:

Don't think this is exactly true he has got the best out of plenty of players - some he has, some he hasn't just like most managers. Flint, Bryan, Kelly, Webster, Reid, for example all players who moved on as a result of him getting the best out of them. A few of those examples haven't had the same success elsewhere. Also when he arrived he kept us up with the same players that had been struggling. I think we are like most other clubs and LJ like most other managers in this respect. 

I think he's good and even excellent at getting a fair bit or a lot out of, and indeed improving certain types of players. 

Younger, maybe academy based, from a similar or lower level. 

Internationals, or from top division here or 3-4 in Europe, or players with a bit behind them or who have played at a higher senior level than he did...I dunno, there's something not quite right there. IMO anyway.

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4 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

Back to the thread title. After Saturday we don't play again until after the window closes (slams shut !). I would assume SL / MA are waiting to see what happens vs Barnsley before making any final decision on new players. No rush now until deadline day.

Well we don't have many strikers and will be short of a centre back if Wright is loaned out. So I'm hoping we already know what we want and are trying to make it happen.

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10 hours ago, Davefevs said:

We are indeed, but on the flip, we are a couple of wins (not performances) away from being right in the thick of it.  These next 3/4 games will leave us much clearer.  If we are still 1 point off or better, that’s fine.  If we are 4/5+ points off the play-offs, and 9/10th then it probably looks like we are falling away.

It’s the Championship, it’s bonkers.

The next 3 games indeed will give us the best chance on paper to kick on; Barnsley 3rd bottom and then QPR and Brum who both have only won 1 in there last 5 games; after that come Derby, WBA, Leeds, Huddersfield and Millwall. We have only beaten the bottom 2 teams in the last 9 league/cup games, seems to me we are falling away already.:dunno:

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On 16/01/2020 at 00:58, Mr Popodopolous said:

To be fair, all clubs get injuries but ours have been pretty mental in the last two and a half seasons. Possibly amongst the worst?

Am talking medium and long term on the one hand, then recurring ones. Kalas, Nagy still don't seem fit and I believe the former is out again. Baker injured again Tuesday? 

Weve had a shitload of rolling injuries. Talking medium to long term.

So with no injuries do you think that LJ knows his best formation and team? I think the injuries have been a good excuse. 

If LJ at this stage oif the season does not know the best formation and the best team what affect does this have on the players. They must dread the pre game team talk always based on stopping the opposition (irrespective of their league position or form) and constantly changing. It must give the player massive confidence being step up to prevent the other team playing instead of playing ourselves. Somebody said last week that we don't have an identity. I think we do. Our identity mirrors that of LJ as a player. Negative (stay in the team by doing nothing wrong or risky and suck up to the management) Teflon (its never my fault) Inferiority complex (based on knowing he is not quite good enough and being unable to relate to players with natural talent flair or aggression) Talking the talking not walking the walk (no explanation needed)

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30 minutes ago, Clutton Caveman said:

So with no injuries do you think that LJ knows his best formation and team? I think the injuries have been a good excuse. 

If LJ at this stage oif the season does not know the best formation and the best team what affect does this have on the players. They must dread the pre game team talk always based on stopping the opposition (irrespective of their league position or form) and constantly changing. It must give the player massive confidence being step up to prevent the other team playing instead of playing ourselves. Somebody said last week that we don't have an identity. I think we do. Our identity mirrors that of LJ as a player. Negative (stay in the team by doing nothing wrong or risky and suck up to the management) Teflon (its never my fault) Inferiority complex (based on knowing he is not quite good enough and being unable to relate to players with natural talent flair or aggression) Talking the talking not walking the walk (no explanation needed)

I'm unconvinced he does tbh.

Not helped one bit by the churn of players- some of them were unavoidable (FFP) but overall the churn is far too much.

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5 hours ago, glos old boy said:

The next 3 games indeed will give us the best chance on paper to kick on; Barnsley 3rd bottom and then QPR and Brum who both have only won 1 in there last 5 games; after that come Derby, WBA, Leeds, Huddersfield and Millwall. We have only beaten the bottom 2 teams in the last 9 league/cup games, seems to me we are falling away already.:dunno:

I do agree with you but am I right in saying that QPR in cup and league won 6-1 and 5-1 at home recently?! Doesn't sound like an easy away game to grind out a cheeky 1-0!

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On 16/01/2020 at 07:51, Gert Mare said:

I can’t see SL pulling the trigger whilst we are still in the mix, but come the end of the season I reckon that will be it. I cannot see him being given another season if we end up mid-table come May.

I think the opposite. 
 

Johnson is an easy person to manage for Lansdown. He isn’t an in your face manager who will demand a £15M striker etc. He will work with what he gets by Lansdown, which is a fair budget. Johnson is a ‘friend of the family’ so he can’t be too bolshy or demanding as he does not want to sour the relationship. It’s a good partnership for them both, Johnson is given ample funds to improve the team, yet manages to bring in a raft of players who aren’t good enough or don’t ‘fit in’. Lansdown is happy as he gives Johnson some money, knowing full well he won’t be pressed or put under any pressure and everybody plays happy families. 
 

Johnson will be here next season, will be given a load of money and will sign 10+ players. I mentioned it on another thread, but lather, rinse, repeat. 

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21 hours ago, RedLionLad said:

The reception might be ok.....but God help him if he’s ever just one point off the play-offs in January.

Or four points off second in December. 

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On 16/01/2020 at 06:57, oldstandrobin said:

Simples, beer and food sales to plummet at home matches..............have your pint in the Robins or the Coopers ( as the BBC would say, other pubs are available)

 

As I drive in, I dont drink. I just go to watch the football, and its f******** so predictable and boring

Amazing. I am gobsmacked.

If you think it is a good idea to cost the club cash as some sort of protest, why not go the whole hog and maybe burn downone of the stands?

(Shakes head and walks away).

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