And Its Smith Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Yep LJ laid the foundations . I work in Oldham so follow the club quite closely. You’ve got it wrong I’m afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Really ? Who & who has said so exactly ? As for your several sales over £10 m claim Theres been two Webster, and Kelly who was an academy graduate , not recruited and joins Academy graduated Bryan and a Reid as our major sales So what was this about our recruitment success ? or were you referring to someone like Brentford ? You forgot Kodjia This is typical of what I've seen on other forums: Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:19 pm Forum: Leeds United Chat Topic: Pontus Jansson Replies: 238 Views: 18122 Re: Save our Swede? £5.5mil is an insult. Selling him to another English club especially if it is in this division is insanity. Bristol City got £13mil for Lloyd Kelly. Pontus Jansson's brother vehemently defending Pontus. The club are 100% forcing him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: You forgot Kodjia This is typical of what I've seen on other forums: Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:19 pm Forum: Leeds United Chat Topic: Pontus Jansson Replies: 238 Views: 18122 Re: Save our Swede? £5.5mil is an insult. Selling him to another English club especially if it is in this division is insanity. Bristol City got £13mil for Lloyd Kelly. Pontus Jansson's brother vehemently defending Pontus. The club are 100% forcing him out. I did Well we can credit LJ for recruiting him ........oh hang on ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Famara's Party Hat said: No they don’t. That’s not how that works. I have nothing to add, I just think your name and avatar are exceptional work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: You forgot Kodjia This is typical of what I've seen on other forums: Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:19 pm Forum: Leeds United Chat Topic: Pontus Jansson Replies: 238 Views: 18122 Re: Save our Swede? £5.5mil is an insult. Selling him to another English club especially if it is in this division is insanity. Bristol City got £13mil for Lloyd Kelly. Pontus Jansson's brother vehemently defending Pontus. The club are 100% forcing him out. Cotts signed kodja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 Just now, Monkeh said: Cotts signed kodja 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I did Well we can credit LJ for recruiting him ........oh hang on ......... We were talking about players sold in the context of company accounts not about LJ who only has a partial role in transfers anyway, sorry if I implies something positive about LJ and upset you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: We were talking about players sold in the context of company accounts not about LJ who only has a partial role in transfers anyway, sorry if I implies something positive about LJ and upset you Just confused by your claims You seem to be looking to make excuses when his 50 plays purchases were raised, and claimed in this thread ‘LJ's made a vast profit for the club.’ Yet you now state ‘LJ who only has a partial role in transfers anyway’ Very confusing (Sorry If challenging your inaccuratepoints seems to have disturbed you) PS is your Leeds forum post your evidence of other clubs envy of our ‘recruitment’ ? And Are you saying that LJ should take the credit for the fee Bournemouth paid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 Whatever happened to Barnsley_tyke, guaranteed that he would be on this forum about 3 weeks ahead of the actual game!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 24 minutes ago, Monkeh said: who? They'd rather not be named Its a secret You wont have heard of them * delete as applicable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Monkeh said: any fan base who's spent upward to 25 million in the transfer window has a right to expect a high position in the league As long as outgoings have no outcome on a season, absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said: Whatever happened to Barnsley_tyke, guaranteed that he would be on this forum about 3 weeks ahead of the actual game!!! Think he went too far when talking about Johnson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Super said: Think he went too far when talking about Johnson! He should keep his Johnson to himself Dity northern monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STeveOELlis Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, ashton_fan said: Taylor Moore is so much better since he went out on loan, I think he'll continue to improve and will have a great future at Prem level He may well be, but his play style simply is not that of Webster's and it never will be. Moore cannot be considered a Webster replacement as Webster's play style was so integral to ours as a team. Moore's play style is more similar to Kalas' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 49 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Just confused by your claims You seem to be looking to make excuses when his 50 plays purchases were raised, and claimed in this thread ‘LJ's made a vast profit for the club.’ Yet you now state ‘LJ who only has a partial role in transfers anyway’ Very confusing (Sorry If challenging your inaccuratepoints seems to have disturbed you) PS is your Leeds forum post your evidence of other clubs envy of our ‘recruitment’ ? And Are you saying that LJ should take the credit for the fee Bournemouth paid ? In fairness Bob, Webster went from being a £3.5m (?) purchase 2 summers ago to being a £20m premier league player 12 months later. LJ understandably gets a lot of stick for aspects of his his coaching, but Webster's improvement occurred under his direction. Similarly, while Kelly came through the club's academy, his senior development again happened under LJ's direction. In view of this, it's not unfair to credit LJ with contributing in no small way to the profit generated on these players' sales - that and Ashton's "have your pants down" negotiating ability! Or is it the case that player's improvement and development only happens despite the coaching they receive while at the club, not because of it, as it seems that at the moment any negative aspects of the club are down to LJ while any positives are always due to someone else? As I've said in other posts, I'm certainly not an out and out LJ apologist, and feel that he is now at a critical watershed point in his time here, but in many fans' eyes he cannot now do any right for doing wrong. I'm surprised that fans haven't blamed him for Harry & Megan's problems, the return of majority Conservative Government and Brexit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, downendcity said: In fairness Bob, Webster went from being a £3.5m (?) purchase 2 summers ago to being a £20m premier league player 12 months later. LJ understandably gets a lot of stick for aspects of his his coaching, but Webster's improvement occurred under his direction. Similarly, while Kelly came through the club's academy, his senior development again happened under LJ's direction. In view of this, it's not unfair to credit LJ with contributing in no small way to the profit generated on these players' sales - that and Ashton's "have your pants down" negotiating ability! Or is it the case that player's improvement and development only happens despite the coaching they receive while at the club, not because of it, as it seems that at the moment any negative aspects of the club are down to LJ while any positives are always due to someone else? As I've said in other posts, I'm certainly not an out and out LJ apologist, and feel that he is now at a critical watershed point in his time here, but in many fans' eyes he cannot now do any right for doing wrong. I'm surprised that fans haven't blamed him for Harry & Megan's problems, the return of majority Conservative Government and Brexit! That was Johnson’s fault too? Bloody leaver ruining my future bloody remoanoner ruining my future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Monkeh said: thats about as far from the truth as you can get, we are 50 million in debt, the only reason we are 50 million in debt is because lansdown since he's been at the helm has written off 200 million quid also 2019 accounts is the first time bristol city football club made a profit since 1997 I think ashton_fan is really talking about keeping our heads above water in relation to ffp rules i.e. profit/oss and not our indebtedness, or otherwise, to SL. We are more than fortunate to have the owner we have, who is wealthy enough that he can, and is prepared to, effectively write off massive amounts of money he has invested in the club. Quite a bit of this has been to invest in infrastructure, i.e stadium redevelopment, that will then help generate increased income for the club, thereby improving our financial position in terms of profitability. That notwithstanding, we still trade at a loss and because SL is only allowed to cover losses up to certain level under ffp, we still need profit on player sales to ensure we don't break the ffp limits and incur potentially damaging penalties. @Mr Popodopolous will be able to give accurate figures, but I think we needed a profit in 2019 to make sure it offset the losses for the there 2 years in the 3 year cycle and kept us within ffp, but when 3 years ago drops off the ffp calculations I think we could be in a better position, even though I think we will still be making a loss without further player sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 hours ago, REDOXO said: Who ******* cares what some Barnsley fans think. We have Eddie Nketiah and he’s going to get a hat trick on Saturday! Blokes a magician... Movement's so good it like he's invisible.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talk Of The Town Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Monkeh said: he has spent all the money, look at the player turnover, we've signed over 50 players and they aren't all free transfers How many have left? just out of interest as I have no clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 hours ago, REDOXO said: Who ******* cares what some Barnsley fans think. We have Eddie Nketiah and he’s going to get a hat trick on Saturday! Sorry REDOXO,we signed him but immediately loaned him back to Arsenal to get some experience . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: Blokes a magician... Movement's so good it like he's invisible.. He'll be "ghosting" into the penalty area on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Yep LJ laid the foundations . Is that legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, NOTBLUE said: Sorry REDOXO,we signed him but immediately loaned him back to Arsenal to get some experience . Oh bugger. Really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 4 hours ago, RedDave said: Look at Nett spend. That’s the only true picture Very true. It’s also , what you do with that net spend. That’s where a lot of the criticism comes from my point of view. Seems a scattergun approach to signings in terms of positions to fit a system etc . That’s not just criticism of LJ but MA JL and SL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talk Of The Town Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Yes , that’s right And that’s because we’ve signed 50 plus players , many on good wages , we have a large wage bill and running costs, and thus need to sell, not because we pay top wages, which we don’t , but predominantly because Johnson has managed after 4 years and about 7 windows to assemble an unbalanced bloated squad, which currently appears a shambles , and in which he hasn’t got a clue of his best team or formation or way of playing We have million pound + players and multi million pound players who can’t even make match day squads Not a problem when you’re spending others money I guess But is a major flaw holding us back ** Sorry I forgot , recruitment is nothing to do with Lee , it’s all that Mark Ashton’s fault - he just keeps turning up handing Lee more and more players without Lees say so I guess you do realise that to date , he’s sold ONE player that he’s signed , at a profit 50 players signed. any idea how many players have left the club? a genuine question, I’m not being sarcastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Olé said: I have nothing to add, I just think your name and avatar are exceptional work. I had a brief dispute with Fam's Party Hat earlier, which ended in politeness. I share your thoughts on both the name and the avatar. Amongst the finest of recent times. Take a bow @Famara's Party Hat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Monkeh said: any fan base who's spent upward to 25 million in the transfer window has a right to expect a high position in the league Is that really true? With how much players cost these days ... yes i know blades didnt but is our spending that much bigger than say Forest/Leeds/Derby/sheff wednesday teams who have bigger attendances , so have more to spend but have up nd down the champ in previous seasons? None of the teams have gone up in years maybe Derby have in the last decade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Well at one stage we were threatening the top two , then We where in fourth , then sixth and now what is it 9th ? The expectation is just a bit of consistency. No City fan ever ‘ expects ‘ us to be in the Prem but we do hope and we are largely disappointed to be dropping off the pace when every thing should be in place for a proper go at the play offs. Agree with all of that. Also a few of us would expect to be entertained and not bored to tears at most home games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 53 minutes ago, MRSATAN said: bryan,reid,kelly all cost nothing and came through the youth setup flint ,freeman,abraham etc brought in by cotterill i think if we do it fair,list the players johnson has brought in and the players other managers brought in then you'll get a better reflection of how good he is at buisness. and remember its ashton and the top brass that sort fees not johnson Flint was Sod and Tammy was LJ , freeman little and korey were cotteril i dont recall getting much profit from cotterils signings other than kodja? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 6 hours ago, RedDave said: Look at Nett spend. That’s the only true picture Why is it? That makes no sense at all. Take two clubs. They both buy a player for £2m. Club A's player does amazingly, and goes at the end of the season for £30m which they invest back in the team. Club B's player does ok, and goes for £1m. They invest in another £2m player. Club A's net spend: -£2m (-£2m + £30m when he's sold, -£30m on new players). Club B's net spend: -£3m (-£2m + £1m when he's sold, - £2m on a new player). So your argument is Club B are in a better position because of their net spend (more investment?!) - even though Club A now have a squad with £30m of investment? Not to mention that investment in our players (Kelly, for example) is on potential - £20m on him != £20m of quality removed from our squad. It just doesn't work like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 16, 2020 Report Share Posted January 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Yep LJ laid the foundations . What, all of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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