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Stop saying we were unlucky with Afobe's injury

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I don't think Afobe had an unusual history of injuries did he?

It's fair to level criticism at Ashton for betting the farm on Nketiah and losing (twice FFS!) but Afobe was a very good signing.

Had he not been injured I think we'd be comfortably in the playoffs.

What is looking harder and harder to excuse is being three weeks into the window with no ******* striker in.

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36 minutes ago, Boston Red said:

We weren't.

All through the summer 2019 transfer window, everyone knew we needed a striker.

We hung on desperately for Nketiah until the last minute.

He went to Leeds.

The clock was running down.

We were seriously desperate.

We turned to Benik Afobe.

There was a reason we hadn't signed him earlier.

A reason Stoke were prepared to get rid of him.

A reason no-one else had signed him.

Because he was injury prone.

Guess what?

He got injured.

It is not some cruel twist of fate that has unexpectedly struck Bristol City Football Club and wiped out our season. It is what happens when you sign injury prone players. They get injured. It was our own bad planning and our own poor activity in the summer transfer window that led us to place all our hope in an injury prone player in a desperation last minute signing. Yes, Afobe looked good for us, and it was a cruel blow. But we should not have been placing our entire season's hopes on him.

Also, the Kasey Palmer-Benik Afobe link up play is becoming seriously exaggerated on here. People are making it sound like Dalglish-Rush, or Lineker-Beardsley. Afobe scored three goals for us, and none of them were assisted by Palmer (1 Weimann v QPR, 1 Rowe v Hull penalty, 1 Hunt v Hull). Yes, Palmer played Afobe through for three one on ones v Birmingham, which he all missed. But I think the opposition would have got wise to it as the season progressed. 

Yes, Afobe was looking like a great signing, and yes, we are missing him. But we should never have been placing all our hopes in one injury prone striker signed at the last minute. 

Will the club learn from its mistakes and sign a proper striker in January? We watch and wait. 

 

 

 

 

Doubt we’ll sign a proven goal scorer in January. I don’t see clubs around the globe selling assets like that halfway through the season.

how do you know we weren’t looking at  several options for centre forwards?

its not championship manager 

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34 minutes ago, Boston Red said:

We hung on desperately for Nketiah until the last minute.

It’s called negotiation - until a player makes their choice then it’s over  

 

Afobe

There was a reason we hadn't signed him earlier.

Because we were after Eddie?

Yes, Afobe looked good for us, and it was a cruel blow. 

So, getting Adobe in was a good fit then after missing out on our primary target who turned us down!

 

Will the club learn from its mistakes and sign a proper striker in January? We watch and wait. 

 

Just gave you a few answers to your questions to help you sleep tonight. 

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1 minute ago, Bobby Bollax said:

Doubt we’ll sign a proven goal scorer in January. I don’t see clubs around the globe selling assets like that halfway through the season.

how do you know we weren’t looking at  several options for centre forwards?

its not championship manager 

Indeed, the only way we are going to get one is to pay over the odds, if we want to get someone in we are going to have to chuck 15 odd million to get either Grant from Huddersfield or Tony from Peterborough. 

The only striker I can think of who will be available for a non rediculous fee might be Leon Clarke from Sheff U, but I don't know if he's injured or not at the moment. 

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Where does the narrative that we wanted Nketia and didn't investigate anything else until he turned us down for Leeds come from?

Where does the story of us being desperate and having to get Benik in almost as a second choice come from? 

I seriously expect that we were trying to sign both and got one. For 1 Benik is an excellent striker at this level and wouldn't be second string to anyone. It's all very different to the all the eggs in one basket, crap we've dropped the basket type stories I see semi regularly on here. It's almost as if people dont want to accept/know how professional the football club has become.

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One thing has been assumed that is not safe to assume... it seems to be taken for granted that he would have continued his fine form all season. Why?

Did Nagy continue his fine early form? Did Massengo? Hunt had a great spell early on, where have his pin-point crosses gone?

Had Afobe stayed fit, we might have kept our good form. Or maybe we'd have still gone off the boil, him included. Who knows?

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1 hour ago, Boston Red said:

We weren't.

All through the summer 2019 transfer window, everyone knew we needed a striker.

We hung on desperately for Nketiah until the last minute.

He went to Leeds.

The clock was running down.

We were seriously desperate.

We turned to Benik Afobe.

There was a reason we hadn't signed him earlier.

A reason Stoke were prepared to get rid of him.

A reason no-one else had signed him.

Because he was injury prone.

Guess what?

He got injured.

It is not some cruel twist of fate that has unexpectedly struck Bristol City Football Club and wiped out our season. It is what happens when you sign injury prone players. They get injured. It was our own bad planning and our own poor activity in the summer transfer window that led us to place all our hope in an injury prone player in a desperation last minute signing. Yes, Afobe looked good for us, and it was a cruel blow. But we should not have been placing our entire season's hopes on him.

Also, the Kasey Palmer-Benik Afobe link up play is becoming seriously exaggerated on here. People are making it sound like Dalglish-Rush, or Lineker-Beardsley. Afobe scored three goals for us, and none of them were assisted by Palmer (1 Weimann v QPR, 1 Rowe v Hull penalty, 1 Hunt v Hull). Yes, Palmer played Afobe through for three one on ones v Birmingham, which he all missed. But I think the opposition would have got wise to it as the season progressed. 

Yes, Afobe was looking like a great signing, and yes, we are missing him. But we should never have been placing all our hopes in one injury prone striker signed at the last minute. 

Will the club learn from its mistakes and sign a proper striker in January? We watch and wait. 

 

 

 

 

176 appearances since 2015 (49 goals).

Played 46 games for Stoke since joining them in 2018.

Not exactly Darren Anderton is he. Your “injury prone” claim is easily dismissed with some quick analysis.

We were unlucky.

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For us to go up from this division, I cannot help thinking we are going to need good fortune - having a dream summer recruitment window, akin to 2014; our key/best players playing 40 plus league games; referees seeing things our way; opposition goalies diving the wrong way during penalty shoot-outs; teams around us unexpectedly losing to relegation certainties; Leeds Utd doing a Devon Loch for the umpteenth season in a row, etc etc - probably more luck than we are ever going to get, in reality

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I don't seem to remember him being injury prone before joining (I think one bad knee injury in his early days). Basically no injury since 2013 so yes it was unlucky.

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2 hours ago, Boston Red said:

We weren't.

All through the summer 2019 transfer window, everyone knew we needed a striker.

We hung on desperately for Nketiah until the last minute.

He went to Leeds.

The clock was running down.

We were seriously desperate.

We turned to Benik Afobe.

There was a reason we hadn't signed him earlier.

A reason Stoke were prepared to get rid of him.

A reason no-one else had signed him.

Because he was injury prone.

Guess what?

He got injured.

It is not some cruel twist of fate that has unexpectedly struck Bristol City Football Club and wiped out our season. It is what happens when you sign injury prone players. They get injured. It was our own bad planning and our own poor activity in the summer transfer window that led us to place all our hope in an injury prone player in a desperation last minute signing. Yes, Afobe looked good for us, and it was a cruel blow. But we should not have been placing our entire season's hopes on him.

Also, the Kasey Palmer-Benik Afobe link up play is becoming seriously exaggerated on here. People are making it sound like Dalglish-Rush, or Lineker-Beardsley. Afobe scored three goals for us, and none of them were assisted by Palmer (1 Weimann v QPR, 1 Rowe v Hull penalty, 1 Hunt v Hull). Yes, Palmer played Afobe through for three one on ones v Birmingham, which he all missed. But I think the opposition would have got wise to it as the season progressed. 

Yes, Afobe was looking like a great signing, and yes, we are missing him. But we should never have been placing all our hopes in one injury prone striker signed at the last minute. 

Will the club learn from its mistakes and sign a proper striker in January? We watch and wait. 

 

 

 

 

What a stupid post, if you are going to make a whole thread how a bit of thought first? Afobe doesn't have a bad injury history infact in his career he has had very few serious injuries. (Here is a link to his I jury history). 

And people are not arguing that Afobe and Palmer were some incredible revelation simply that Palmer needs a forward like Afobe (who will run in behind and has good movement in general) to be most effective. 

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Definitely unlucky with Afobe getting injured,

It was a great pity we ran out of options too, but was that unlucky? Or did we not appear to be attractive enough, due to finances, coaching or whatever? Is the fact that we repeatedly fail to attract quality due to something deeper?  
The Tammy experience should have meant we would have continued to be trusted with brilliant young talent - but the Bristol City club we love is not the same place it was 2 seasons ago!

If we are going to fulfil our potential the suits in Bristol Sport have to take a good look at what is going on and act!

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We were unlucky with Afobes injury...…...but I'm sure if you spoke to a lot of managers in the Championship, they would claim to have had bad luck with injuries too.

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3 hours ago, Bobby Bollax said:

Doubt we’ll sign a proven goal scorer in January. I don’t see clubs around the globe selling assets like that halfway through the season.

how do you know we weren’t looking at  several options for centre forwards?

its not championship manager 

I think it's getting to the point now that we are maybe thinking if Afobe can come back around march time that maybe we can just keep on going as we are until he returns. 

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2 hours ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

For us to go up from this division, I cannot help thinking we are going to need good fortune - having a dream summer recruitment window, akin to 2014; our key/best players playing 40 plus league games; referees seeing things our way; opposition goalies diving the wrong way during penalty shoot-outs; teams around us unexpectedly losing to relegation certainties; Leeds Utd doing a Devon Loch for the umpteenth season in a row, etc etc - probably more luck than we are ever going to get, in reality

The clubs that end up promoted/champions are always the luckiest clubs. Ok you need the quality to go along with that but if you can not have any major injuries, if you avoid dodgy officials decisions then your gonna be up there.

Just look at Man City, whilst Liverpool are having a great season, Man City have been blighted by injuries. If VVD had an injury like Laporte I dont think Liverpool would be where they currently are.

If Afobe hadn't of got injured I dont think its unrealistic to think we would have a few more points on the board and that would see us in the play offs and knocking on the door of the top 2.

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So, while waiting to see if Nketiah would sign, presumably we should have signed a couple of other strikers as insurance? Much less risky and only a couple of extra salaries if our top target had arrived!

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3 hours ago, Galley is our king said:

The OP is right 

 

 

It was really bloody unlucky 

He is actually saying the exact opposite if you read his post more carefully.

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Compare Afobe injury record to Harry Kane for example? 

if Kane was made available would no one sign him due to his injury record?

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/harry-kane/verletzungen/spieler/132098

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/benik-afobe/verletzungen/spieler/110858

 

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7 hours ago, Leveller said:

So, while waiting to see if Nketiah would sign, presumably we should have signed a couple of other strikers as insurance? Much less risky and only a couple of extra salaries if our top target had arrived!

Obviously not. We should have set a deadline that gave us time to complete another signing and walked away at that point. We also should have started negotiating those other signings ahead of that deadline. And having been made mugs of once we shouldn't have gone back for Nketiah this month at all. This is all fairly basic stuff.

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From an older supporters perspective we were just unlucky with Benik. Hope he's fit soon and back in a City shirt, cant wait to see him and wowing us fans. :city::city::city:

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8 hours ago, Up The City! said:

I think it's getting to the point now that we are maybe thinking if Afobe can come back around march time that maybe we can just keep on going as we are until he returns. 

He has an ACL injury, it would be naive to put our eggs in the “Afobe can change our season when he is back” basket.

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8 hours ago, Up The City! said:

 

If Afobe hadn't of got injured I dont think its unrealistic to think we would have a few more points on the board and that would see us in the play offs and knocking on the door of the top 2.

Not wildly unrealistic, no, but it is unrealistic. It is a thought emerging from your imagination, and therefore not reality.

You will recall how Weimann started last season, then dried up for months on end. If Weimann had got injured in early September last season, many on here would be saying exactly the same as you are saying about Afobe and this season. As @mozo remreminds us, above.

Like so much with football and Bristol City, we just do not know, and are left to make educated or not so educated guesses.

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1 hour ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

Not wildly unrealistic, no, but it is unrealistic. It is a thought emerging from your imagination, and therefore not reality.

You will recall how Weimann started last season, then dried up for months on end. If Weimann had got injured in early September last season, many on here would be saying exactly the same as you are saying about Afobe and this season. As @mozo remreminds us, above.

Like so much with football and Bristol City, we just do not know, and are left to make educated or not so educated guesses.

LJ and Afobe himself have said it looks like he may be back before the end of the season, nothing has been said recently tho. So I'm only repeating what they have said and I'm speculating that IF he will be back around March time, we may just soldier on without him until then.

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14 hours ago, Boston Red said:

We weren't.

All through the summer 2019 transfer window, everyone knew we needed a striker.

We hung on desperately for Nketiah until the last minute.

He went to Leeds.

The clock was running down.

We were seriously desperate.

We turned to Benik Afobe.

There was a reason we hadn't signed him earlier.

A reason Stoke were prepared to get rid of him.

A reason no-one else had signed him.

Because he was injury prone.

Guess what?

He got injured.

It is not some cruel twist of fate that has unexpectedly struck Bristol City Football Club and wiped out our season. It is what happens when you sign injury prone players. They get injured. It was our own bad planning and our own poor activity in the summer transfer window that led us to place all our hope in an injury prone player in a desperation last minute signing. Yes, Afobe looked good for us, and it was a cruel blow. But we should not have been placing our entire season's hopes on him.

Also, the Kasey Palmer-Benik Afobe link up play is becoming seriously exaggerated on here. People are making it sound like Dalglish-Rush, or Lineker-Beardsley. Afobe scored three goals for us, and none of them were assisted by Palmer (1 Weimann v QPR, 1 Rowe v Hull penalty, 1 Hunt v Hull). Yes, Palmer played Afobe through for three one on ones v Birmingham, which he all missed. But I think the opposition would have got wise to it as the season progressed. 

Yes, Afobe was looking like a great signing, and yes, we are missing him. But we should never have been placing all our hopes in one injury prone striker signed at the last minute. 

Will the club learn from its mistakes and sign a proper striker in January? We watch and wait. 

 

 

 

 

Oh, I see..... we were actually LUCKY he got injured then

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We were unlucky with his injury but even with him we still needed another striker.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned it but I think we were unlucky with Afobe's injury.

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15 hours ago, Boston Red said:

We weren't.

All through the summer 2019 transfer window, everyone knew we needed a striker.

We hung on desperately for Nketiah until the last minute.

He went to Leeds.

The clock was running down.

We were seriously desperate.

We turned to Benik Afobe.

There was a reason we hadn't signed him earlier.

A reason Stoke were prepared to get rid of him.

A reason no-one else had signed him.

Because he was injury prone.

Guess what?

He got injured.

It is not some cruel twist of fate that has unexpectedly struck Bristol City Football Club and wiped out our season. It is what happens when you sign injury prone players. They get injured. It was our own bad planning and our own poor activity in the summer transfer window that led us to place all our hope in an injury prone player in a desperation last minute signing. Yes, Afobe looked good for us, and it was a cruel blow. But we should not have been placing our entire season's hopes on him.

Also, the Kasey Palmer-Benik Afobe link up play is becoming seriously exaggerated on here. People are making it sound like Dalglish-Rush, or Lineker-Beardsley. Afobe scored three goals for us, and none of them were assisted by Palmer (1 Weimann v QPR, 1 Rowe v Hull penalty, 1 Hunt v Hull). Yes, Palmer played Afobe through for three one on ones v Birmingham, which he all missed. But I think the opposition would have got wise to it as the season progressed. 

Yes, Afobe was looking like a great signing, and yes, we are missing him. But we should never have been placing all our hopes in one injury prone striker signed at the last minute. 

Will the club learn from its mistakes and sign a proper striker in January? We watch and wait. 

 

 

 

 

I'll tell you what we WERE unlucky with...

 

YOU, deciding to spew an absolute load of lady gaga at us!

 

We WERE unlucky that he got injured in that way, HE was unlucky he got injured in that way.

 

Maybe LJ should've discussed this with you, I'm sure you had more than a feeling it wasn't going to work out.

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15 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

176 appearances since 2015 (49 goals).

Played 46 games for Stoke since joining them in 2018.

Not exactly Darren Anderton is he. Your “injury prone” claim is easily dismissed with some quick analysis.

We were unlucky.

Well, he'd had 2 previous serious injuries.

He was out for over 6 months soon after making his debut for Arsenal and a further 8 month lay off after an injury sustained while on loan at Millwall.

Having said that he's amassed almost 300 career appearances, so while he tends to have a serious injury that causes him to miss more or less a full season every few years he seems to be reliably fit inbetween.

You could call this season's injury unlucky for City, or the continuation of 'regular' misfortune for the player, either way he does have a history of serious injuries that no doubt the club took into account when signing him.

They must have felt, probably quite rightly, there was no extra likelihood of him being seriously injured while with us, and it's certainly unfortunate all round that hasn't been the case, but his career history certainly must have given them food for thought he was perhaps more prone to a bad injury than the average signing.

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11 hours ago, Leveller said:

So, while waiting to see if Nketiah would sign, presumably we should have signed a couple of other strikers as insurance? Much less risky and only a couple of extra salaries if our top target had arrived!

And the same people complain about squad bloat. The petulance and immaturity of the OP is staggering

oh and we were unlucky, just saying

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As others have said, he'd had two serious injuries before but no serious injuries in seven years. He'd struggle with form in recent seasons but I can't see any evidence he is injury prone. The fact he got his first serious injury in seven years is undoubtedly bad luck and we were unlucky with Afobe's injury.

I also think today we've been unlucky with threads from posters trying to rewrite the past in order to make tenuous points but that is a whole other discussion. 

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