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OK so he has not always shown all we need from a striker when given a chance. But would not a extended run in the starting eleven be worth a go.. 🙄

Surely all the time on the bench serves no purpose he better on loan 

Thoughts 

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1 minute ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

OK so he has not always shown all we need from a striker when given a chance. But would not a extended run in the starting eleven be worth a go.. 🙄

Surely all the time on the bench serves no purpose he better on loan 

Thoughts 

If he can prove he’s better than the current incumbents then he’ll get a chance to play and stay in.

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I think the criticism was harsh of Antoine. It's that Reading performance which did it. But I thought he was ok in a couple of other games and good against Preston.

I support him by honestly saying his attributes, which is what he can do, not necessarily what he is doing when he plays. And people laugh or send confused emojis.

People can't seem to grasp his age and how good he obviously is for that age. People genuinely believe he is simply awful and does not try.

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Name a player who consistently plays better at home? If one watches home and away it is clearly the whole team who enjoy away days more. LAst season we won more away, and i expect this season will be the same.

All pundits/experts say the reason why home teams win most matches is simple; their supporters. If City win more away from home, what does that say about the 15-20k City fans that come to A.G

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He has only been on the pitch at home when other more experienced players have let us down, I fear he will never get a fair chance under the current leadership.

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Should have played a lot more games for City than he presently has - experience and the extra Championship quality is only gained through minutes on the pitch.

 

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Started in draws away to Brentford and to Preston. The kid can play, should have been given more game time and the signing of Rodri is a ridiculous slap in the face to a kid that LJ said “was struggling for confidence”. 
 

The Barnsley game when we messed up at 2-0 was the turning point, neither Palmer nor Semenyo have really featured since. 

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27 minutes ago, Whale Eye Beef Hooked said:

If he was doing it in training he would play 

LJ has said he has been doing it in training, £20m player if the game was 8aside...

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I think the challenge with Samenyo is when he's come on (granted he hasn't been given long), in my opinion, he hasn't looked great and hasn't affected the game so I guess that's given LJ a bit of a difficult challenge.  He definately needs to be given a chance to develop and get better but should that be in our team at this current moment? I'm not so sure. I think Lee wants players off the bench who he knows can immediately change the game and Semenyo isn't there yet. I think a loan in League 1 would be perfect - where he can get regular games.

The other thing, and this I feel puts Semenyo's development at an unfair disadvantage is how well the team around him are playing at the moment - I just can't see how our current form will help his development. I'm not convinced it will help by chucking him in to the team and expecting him to make a positive impact when the players and tactics aren't working well right now. It seems to be hard enough for experienced players to play well right now, let alone someone new to the game. 

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Was superb against PNE away last season, made a difference. He needs a loan in league 1 for the rest of this season. I do feel in some games at home this season, when we are launching long balls up to Fam, That Semenyo could do that job and hold the ball up but never given the chance. 

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9 minutes ago, ZiderheadTJ said:

Was superb against PNE away last season, made a difference. He needs a loan in league 1 for the rest of this season. I do feel in some games at home this season, when we are launching long balls up to Fam, That Semenyo could do that job and hold the ball up but never given the chance. 

Totally needs a loan .

From what I seen , I am not convinced, but that has not been too much.

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17 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

Totally needs a loan .

From what I seen , I am not convinced, but that has not been too much.

100% needs a loan.

I just hope he smashes it on loan - I have my doubts.

I've really not seen what pundits have seen.

But he's young and has a lot of time in front of him so hopefully he achieves the potential that is apparently there.

 

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1 hour ago, Hampshire Red said:

Name a player who consistently plays better at home? If one watches home and away it is clearly the whole team who enjoy away days more. LAst season we won more away, and i expect this season will be the same.

All pundits/experts say the reason why home teams win most matches is simple; their supporters. If City win more away from home, what does that say about the 15-20k City fans that come to A.G

Brilliant, it’s our fault!

Pretty sure home advantage is far more complex and due to many factors, rather than just the supporters.

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2 hours ago, Shtanley said:

LJ has said he has been doing it in training, £20m player if the game was 8aside...

To be fair, always useful to have a player like that on the bench in the event of a triple red card.

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Sorry but I’ve yet to see what people see in Semenyo. Admittedly I didn’t see the PNE game. The first time I saw him for us he got sent off after a few minutes vs Derby. Clearly LJ sees something in him because he’s normally on the bench. 

I agree that a loan spell to League 1 would do him good - maybe the jump from League 2 (Newport) to the Championship was too great?

.... or maybe I just don’t know anything about football. Sorry but he is ‘meh’ at best for me. 

I REALLY hope he gets to shine - I just can’t see it happening any time soon. 

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4 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

OK so he has not always shown all we need from a striker when given a chance. But would not a extended run in the starting eleven be worth a go.. 🙄

Surely all the time on the bench serves no purpose he better on loan 

Thoughts 

semenyo will come good for City like Bobby Reid did, not overnight. probably should be on loan at somewhere like wycombe

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3 hours ago, Shtanley said:

Started in draws away to Brentford and to Preston. The kid can play, should have been given more game time and the signing of Rodri is a ridiculous slap in the face to a kid that LJ said “was struggling for confidence”. 
 

The Barnsley game when we messed up at 2-0 was the turning point, neither Palmer nor Semenyo have really featured since. 

Good points - although Palmer has been on the pitch for seven games between the away game at Barnsley and the home game against them .... he has featured 

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Needs to go out on loan to a lower level where he can work on his positional play, at the moment he often finds him self in the wrong place so the game just passes him by, we shouldn't give up on him but he is not a championship level player yet,

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3 hours ago, Shtanley said:

Started in draws away to Brentford and to Preston. The kid can play, should have been given more game time and the signing of Rodri is a ridiculous slap in the face to a kid that LJ said “was struggling for confidence”. 
 

The Barnsley game when we messed up at 2-0 was the turning point, neither Palmer nor Semenyo have really featured since. 

No it wasnt, yet you keep pushing this false narrative. 

The signing of Rodri was fully understandable. We had been short on strikers and the one we brought in over the summer had just had a potentially season ending injury. We needed to bring another person in still.

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Think it might be a good idea just to try chucking him out on the pitch and saying ‘just go out and enjoy yourself lad - given ‘em hell’. 

I was sat in line with him at that Reading match, he looked like a rabbit caught in headlights. I think he’d been given so many playing patterns, formulas and responsibilities to process he had brain fade.

Simple game...... ball in the opposition’s net.  Go. 

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Who can recall him playing for Newport when on loan in the FA cup against premier league sides, Leicester City one, and  was it Boro ?  The pundits drooling over him as he gave defenders a torrid time. Off to Chelsea for mega money ? 

where was he played ? Not as an out and out striker but a wider and deeper position? Have we utilised him in a similar position.  Are we actually getting best out of him.  Food for thought 

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2 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Think it might be a good idea just to try chucking him out on the pitch and saying ‘just go out and enjoy yourself lad - given ‘em hell’. 

I was sat in line with him at that Reading match, he looked like a rabbit caught in headlights. I think he’d been given so many playing patterns, formulas and responsibilities to process he had brain fade.

Simple game...... ball in the opposition’s net.  Go. 

Ah, but had he been told to look for box entries and that he was a good human?! 🙄

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It’s hard to think how he could have been treated worse than he has. Given next to zero game time. Told to warm up constantly with no thought of bringing him on unless we are incredible desperate. Rodri given game time above him. Not played but not loaned out. Lee Johnson has been given the task of promoting youth but refuses to despite Semenyo’s  obvious talents and despite other forward players being tired.  As most know I am a LJ advocate (because he is part of a plan that needs to be completed before it can be judged) but youth is an area he falls down on massively.  Further to that point, Moore should be ahead of Williams. 
 

Semenyo and Elliason either side of Diedhiou please

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13 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

No it wasnt, yet you keep pushing this false narrative. 

The signing of Rodri was fully understandable. We had been short on strikers and the one we brought in over the summer had just had a potentially season ending injury. We needed to bring another person in still.

Signed him and said he plays two up front so needs four strikers. Yet hardly used Semenyo... 

Surely we both agree the persistent use of Rodri over Semenyo even when it had been decided he was going to be released was ridiculous?

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5 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said:

Who can recall him playing for Newport when on loan in the FA cup against premier league sides, Leicester City one, and  was it Boro ?  The pundits drooling over him as he gave defenders a torrid time. Off to Chelsea for mega money ? 

where was he played ? Not as an out and out striker but a wider and deeper position? Have we utilised him in a similar position.  Are we actually getting best out of him.  Food for thought 

Semenyo sees himself as a LW fwiw, cutting inside. Our system(s) don’t have a position like that though. 
 

3 minutes ago, RedDave said:

It’s hard to think how he could have been treated worse than he has. Given next to zero game time. Told to warm up constantly with no thought of bringing him on unless we are incredible desperate. Rodri given game time above him. Not played but not loaned out. Lee Johnson has been given the task of promoting youth but refuses too despite his obvious talents and despite other forward players being tired.  As most know I am a LJ advocate (because he is part of a plan that needs to be completed before it can be judged) but youth is an area he falls down on massively.  Further to that point, Moore should be ahead of Williams. 

nice to know some people agree, would like but have none left. 

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3 minutes ago, Shtanley said:

Signed him and said he plays two up front so needs four strikers. Yet hardly used Semenyo... 

Surely we both agree the persistent use of Rodri over Semenyo even when it had been decided he was going to be released was ridiculous?

You say ridiculous, I say atrocious 

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2 minutes ago, RedDave said:

You say ridiculous, I say atrocious 

To be honest I do agree with you if you’re implying an angle from LJ of spite. I see Rodri as a big F U to the pathway, the academy and Semenyo. Same thing when he brought in marinovic over O’Leary. 

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1 minute ago, RedDave said:

It’s hard to think how he could have been treated worse than he has. Given next to zero game time. Told to warm up constantly with no thought of bringing him on unless we are incredible desperate. Rodri given game time above him. Not played but not loaned out. Lee Johnson has been given the task of promoting youth but refuses too despite his obvious talents and despite other forward players being tired.  As most know I am a LJ advocate (because he is part of a plan that needs to be completed before it can be judged) but youth is an area he falls down on massively.  Further to that point, Moore should be ahead of Williams. 

In LJs defence, I genuinely don’t think he wanted him back from his loan. Certainly didn’t want to play him.

Think this might be the old chestnut of interference from above in order to save buying another striker and promoting home grown youth. ... and another Manager who might be having a hissy fit.

Who’s right and wrong, I’m not sure. Certainly, Semenyo from what I’ve seen has done little to demonstrate he is any where near ready at least when he’s played in a City shirt but, as others have said, is that through bad coaching and/or not playing to his strengths?

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1 minute ago, Shtanley said:

To be honest I do agree with you if you’re implying an angle from LJ of spite. I see Rodri as a big F U to the pathway, the academy and Semenyo. Same thing when he brought in marinovic over O’Leary. 

I am not sure I agree regarding spite. I just think LJ cannot bring himself to trust youngsters regarding a solitary 90 minutes. He cannot think long term despite being given the time to do so. I would give him another 18 months to prove his worth before an ultimate judgement. And even then if he was promoting youth and playing decent football I would keep him.

My overall belief is when a decision is made over who to play, to pretty much always go with youth. You then get the progression (hopefully) and are in a better position in a years time.  I said I wanted to see Taylor Moore play in 25-30 games this season regardless of performances, within reason, as then next season we have a proper centre backs on our hands. What happens? Moore plays well but an aged centre back in Williams gets in ahead of him. 

Sememyo is another example. Give him games. Then next season we can have a real go. Morrell/Walsh is another. Loan one out but not both and then you don’t have to flog Brownhill until he turns crap like now. 

As I say, I would give LJ a lot longer but his youth stance infuriates me. 

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5 minutes ago, RedRock said:

In LJs defence, I genuinely don’t think he wanted him back from his loan. Certainly didn’t want to play him.

Think this might be the old chestnut of interference from above in order to save buying another striker and promoting home grown youth. ... and another Manager who might be having a hissy fit.

Who’s right and wrong, I’m not sure. Certainly, Semenyo from what I’ve seen has done little to demonstrate he is any where near ready at least when he’s played in a City shirt but, as others have said, is that through bad coaching and/or not playing to his strengths?

He’s been effective on loan as a winger. As far as I recall he has played zero minutes as a winger for us. He is clearly raw but play him wide.

The ‘if he was good in training he would play’ comments are nonsense. Plenty of examples of players being thrown in an excelling. Marcus Rashford is the best example (again a striker who started on the wing) who, it was said, was 12-18 months away from being ready, or so Man Utd coaches believed 

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45 minutes ago, Shtanley said:

Signed him and said he plays two up front so needs four strikers. Yet hardly used Semenyo... 

Surely we both agree the persistent use of Rodri over Semenyo even when it had been decided he was going to be released was ridiculous?

No.

In some cases it was the wrong choice to use Rodri,  but not all.

I could spell it out, but you are so entrenched in the view you already have that LJ despises AS that it would be a waste of my time until you learned to actually take a more balanced view.

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He’s got talent/potential and has been given some first team experience but he’s not the answer. I don’t think people realise the quality of our first team players. If you think there not performing you wouldn’t want to see what would happen to our youngsters in this league. . We need to sign proven quality . If we can’t do this then we focus on getting the best out of our current squad. If we don’t go up this year then so what. I’ll look forward to next year and hopefully we can improve again. 

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8 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

Sorry but I’ve yet to see what people see in Semenyo. Admittedly I didn’t see the PNE game. The first time I saw him for us he got sent off after a few minutes vs Derby. Clearly LJ sees something in him because he’s normally on the bench. 

I agree that a loan spell to League 1 would do him good - maybe the jump from League 2 (Newport) to the Championship was too great?

.... or maybe I just don’t know anything about football. Sorry but he is ‘meh’ at best for me. 

I REALLY hope he gets to shine - I just can’t see it happening any time soon. 

The reason he’s normally on the bench isn’t because johnson sees something in him, it’s more to do with league rules about home grown players

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7 hours ago, Shtanley said:

Signed him and said he plays two up front so needs four strikers. Yet hardly used Semenyo... 

Surely we both agree the persistent use of Rodri over Semenyo even when it had been decided he was going to be released was ridiculous?

Rodri played in about 4 games as a sub, hardly persistent use is it 

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Think really he needed another loan this season where he'd play ever week. He needs to be somewhere of about League 1 level, but fairly local so feasibly he can still train with us sometimes and feel part of the squad.

If there wasn't the rivalry, Rovers would probably be the ideal destination. Shame Yeovil have dropped a few leagues. Plymouth might be a good destination (albeit League 2) but are a bigger club than that level and doing well.

It's obvious he needs the gametime and it's also obvious he has something about him. I just hope the training has been really useful for him this year (?!) because otherwise that's effectively a year of his development wasted.

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15 hours ago, JonDolman said:

I think the criticism was harsh of Antoine. It's that Reading performance which did it. But I thought he was ok in a couple of other games and good against Preston.

I support him by honestly saying his attributes, which is what he can do, not necessarily what he is doing when he plays. And people laugh or send confused emojis.

People can't seem to grasp his age and how good he obviously is for that age. People genuinely believe he is simply awful and does not try.

It’s interesting, the last time I saw him play he looked like he was on cruise control, not playing at real speed. I felt he was holding himself back and would love to see him really let loose (unshackled as Jack Hunt would say) as I really feel we haven’t seen him at full throttle. I guess this is down to instruction from the bench?

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12 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

It’s interesting, the last time I saw him play he looked like he was on cruise control, not playing at real speed. I felt he was holding himself back and would love to see him really let loose (unshackled as Jack Hunt would say) as I really feel we haven’t seen him at full throttle. I guess this is down to instruction from the bench?

I think he seemed to be thinking too much. Like he didn't know exactly where to position himself etc.

He ran around a lot away at Brentford and Preston. I don't see a lack of effort, but more lack of confidence.

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16 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

OK so he has not always shown all we need from a striker when given a chance. But would not a extended run in the starting eleven be worth a go.. 🙄

Surely all the time on the bench serves no purpose he better on loan 

Thoughts 

Agreed! He needs a good loan deal to help him progress. I'd love to be proven wrong but really don't think he's ready for championship football and looks out of sorts. He he gets an extended run and continues to not impress then it will do his confidence no good.

 

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25 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I think he seemed to be thinking too much. Like he didn't know exactly where to position himself etc.

He ran around a lot away at Brentford and Preston. I don't see a lack of effort, but more lack of confidence.

I don’t mean lack of effort but more, probably like you say, overthinking, he isn’t playing at full flow yet. Even when he runs he looks as if he’s cruising along. Maybe that’s just his running style. 

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10 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

No.

In some cases it was the wrong choice to use Rodri,  but not all.

I could spell it out, but you are so entrenched in the view you already have that LJ despises AS that it would be a waste of my time until you learned to actually take a more balanced view.

You can call my opinion an ‘agenda’ or a ‘false narrative’ all you want. LJ simply doesn’t trust young academy players, it’s a fact. Given the choice he’d rather: flog players until they run out of gas, (Pack last season playing 46 league games, Morrell playing 1). Or sign frees rather than giving them game time to improve (Marinovic over O’Leary and Rodri over Semenyo(even playing him when he knew Rodri was getting released!)). 
 

He’ll sometimes give young signings we've made time to grow and improve, Brownhill, COD, Eliasson, got seasons to improve/learn and Moore to a lesser extent. Where is the patience for academy players?

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15 hours ago, Shtanley said:

Started in draws away to Brentford and to Preston. The kid can play, should have been given more game time and the signing of Rodri is a ridiculous slap in the face to a kid that LJ said “was struggling for confidence”. 
 

The Barnsley game when we messed up at 2-0 was the turning point, neither Palmer nor Semenyo have really featured since. 

They are not the same types of player though.

 

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2 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

They are not the same types of player though.

 

Don't waste your time.

Posts like below show that their view is set in stone and reason is beyond them.

2 hours ago, Shtanley said:

Yeah ones a street-rat

 

The fact that Semenyo and Rodri would both bring different things to the side when used is very evidently far too rational a view for @Shtanley to comprehend here.

O'Leary playing for a third of the season while Marinovic played one(?) time. Nope, LJ hates the academy players, someone else played once.

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3 hours ago, Shtanley said:

You can call my opinion an ‘agenda’ or a ‘false narrative’ all you want. LJ simply doesn’t trust young academy players, it’s a fact. Given the choice he’d rather: flog players until they run out of gas, (Pack last season playing 46 league games, Morrell playing 1). Or sign frees rather than giving them game time to improve (Marinovic over O’Leary and Rodri over Semenyo(even playing him when he knew Rodri was getting released!)). 
 

He’ll sometimes give young signings we've made time to grow and improve, Brownhill, COD, Eliasson, got seasons to improve/learn and Moore to a lesser extent. Where is the patience for academy players?

Yea he never trusted Bryan or Reid, he never played kelly or vyner,

he didn’t give morrel his debut or played youth in the cup (like almost all other clubs in the top 2 divisions),

he never gave O’Leary a run in the side

 

yea Johnson doesn’t gave them any time or ever play them........

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