CodeRed Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 hours ago, sh1t_ref_again said: Was not trying to defend him, more pointing out that you are very selective with your facts, which you twist to match your agenda Facts are facts. Ok h e probably has an ok win ratio and he's been in charge whilst Ashton has flogged a couple of SOD & Cotterill's players which brought in a few mill, And he beat Man U. I'm not sure what other facts I can add, I search for positives.....but there aren't any. 8 windows,57 signings and he still is looking at defenders midfielders and wants 2 strikers. Enough is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red panda Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, CodeRed said: Facts are facts. Ok h e probably has an ok win ratio and he's been in charge whilst Ashton has flogged a couple of SOD & Cotterill's players which brought in a few mill, And he beat Man U. I'm not sure what other facts I can add, I search for positives.....but there aren't any. 8 windows,57 signings and he still is looking at defenders midfielders and wants 2 strikers. Enough is enough. How about finishing in a better league position each year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 hours ago, RedLionLad said: So, which one of those would you take back right now? Cotterill ! My point is that those listed weren't good at City but there was mitigatng factors. LJ has had time money , more money, employed a large back up team of analyists scouts coaches and drones, and - even more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Benny by far the worst. His training methods and tactics sounded pretty hilarious. Hard to say the best. Cotts did a great job in taking us up but did an awful job in championship. We were certainly heading down under him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, red panda said: How about finishing in a better league position each year? £64M to move up a couple of places ? You're easily pleased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red panda Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, CodeRed said: £64M to move up a couple of places ? You're easily pleased No just (a) realistic (b) careful in what I wish for (ask any Ipswich fan) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Best Gary Johnson Worst - Cant decide between Millen & Benny the Clown. Jury's out on Lee Johnson, but he's been very good so far. Rest of the managers have been very average (Since 1994) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 It's interesting people say Cotts is best. But John Ward got us promoted, then struggled in championship. Can't see a massive difference. I'd even say Ward probably didn't have the advantage of a bigger budget than every club in league one. That promotion season was also very entertaining, played some great stuff with Goater and Cramb up top. Goodridge entertaining us on the wing with his tricks. For me in more recent times league one success under Lansdown's backing is obviously impressive, but to fail at the next hurdle is quite poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 What stands Terry Cooper apart is he put his own money in the club we were on our ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, JonDolman said: It's interesting people say Cotts is best. But John Ward got us promoted, then struggled in championship. Can't see a massive difference. I'd even say Ward probably didn't have the advantage of a bigger budget than every club in league one. That promotion season was also very entertaining, played some great stuff with Goater and Cramb up top. Goodridge entertaining us on the wing with his tricks. For me in more recent times league one success under Lansdown's backing is obviously impressive, but to fail at the next hurdle is quite poor. Ward was a much better manager IMO. Cotterill was lucky that alot of big contracts ran out, leaving him a decent budget to bring in the likes of Korey Smith, Luke Freeman Wilbraham etc. Also had some very good players already here - Bobby Reid, Joe Bryan etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Benny by far the worst. His training methods and tactics sounded pretty hilarious. Hard to say the best. Cotts did a great job in taking us up but did an awful job in championship. We were certainly heading down under him. Cotts wasn't backed though was he ? Not even a tenth of what SL has given LJ, despite that he managed to sign Kodjia who remains our biggest nett profit sale and the epitome of Steve Lansdown's sustainability model of buy young talent cheaply,improve,add value and sell at a profit............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, CodeRed said: Cotts wasn't backed though was he ? Not even a tenth of what SL has given LJ, despite that he managed to sign Kodjia who remains our biggest nett profit sale and the epitome of Steve Lansdown's sustainability model of buy young talent cheaply,improve,add value and sell at a profit............ Did imagine the bids for Gayle and Gray?? something like 9m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Riaz said: Did imagine the bids for Gayle and Gray?? something like 9m? We all know the story......what went on before those bids is the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, CodeRed said: Cotts wasn't backed though was he ? Not even a tenth of what SL has given LJ, despite that he managed to sign Kodjia who remains our biggest nett profit sale and the epitome of Steve Lansdown's sustainability model of buy young talent cheaply,improve,add value and sell at a profit............ He must have been backed to be able to sign the players he did to get us promoted surely? And he completely messed it up when going up to championship. Attempting to splash out on star strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, CodeRed said: We all know the story......what went on before those bids is the point. Oh you've not heard?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Best players in cotts team that got us up all came for peanuts or nothing. Elliot, wilbraham, flint, pack, ayling, fielding. They certainly didnt chuck money at him, il give cotts that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 34 minutes ago, CodeRed said: Cotterill ! My point is that those listed weren't good at City but there was mitigatng factors. LJ has had time money , more money, employed a large back up team of analyists scouts coaches and drones, and - even more money. None of the 5 you mention then? In terms of league positions over a longer period (and in the Championship) LJ beats all of them hands down. I prefer Cotterill as a person and will forever be grateful for what he did for us, but I wouldn’t put him above LJ simply because what he achieved was in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: Best players in cotts team that got us up all came for peanuts or nothing. Elliot, wilbraham, flint, pack, ayling, fielding. They certainly didnt chuck money at him, il give cotts that. Plus Smith Freeman Little and Williams That's 10 .....only Fielding and Flint cost money - both signed under SOD. I think the only fee Cotts paid was Agard in the double winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Yes that defender we got from brighton i think we paid something for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: None of the 5 you mention then? In terms of league positions over a longer period (and in the Championship) LJ beats all of them hands down. I prefer Cotterill as a person and will forever be grateful for what he did for us, but I wouldn’t put him above LJ simply because what he achieved was in League One. LJ has won nothing achieved nothing. Ever. Get us in the play offs , a final or something. Just because he finishes 9th or whatever that is not an achievement. Even SL is growing impatient with him. Cotterill who you casually write off has (without checking I add) I think 5 promotions on his CV. Something I doubt LJ will ever achieve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Between heaven and hell Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 20/01/2020 at 20:33, ChippenhamRed said: Saying Lee Johnson given the options available here is frankly pathetic. See above. Sorry Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: Yes that defender we got from brighton i think we paid something for him? El Abd. 20K wasn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, CodeRed said: LJ has won nothing achieved nothing. Ever. Get us in the play offs , a final or something. Just because he finishes 9th or whatever that is not an achievement. Even SL is growing impatient with him. Cotterill who you casually write off has (without checking I add) I think 5 promotions on his CV. Something I doubt LJ will ever achieve I presumed you were talking only of his time at Bristol City. You originally mentioned 5 managers you believed to be better than LJ, and when I asked which one you would take back as a replacement, you named someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 For managerial ability, not results: Best is Cooper, had little or nothing to work with, worked miracles with what he could scramble together and laid the foundations for the success Jordan later enjoyed. Worst: Lousy Pint for all the reasons made public and the Judge's wholly accurate assessment as to his honesty and trustworthyness; Coppell for all the reasons not made public and despite SL giving him ample reason to walk there's something deeply sinister in his psyche and, like Keegan, tales I was told when in the 4th estate persist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, RedLionLad said: I presumed you were talking only of his time at Bristol City. You originally mentioned 5 managers you believed to be better than LJ, and when I asked which one you would take back as a replacement, you named someone else. Well of course I wouldn't take them back NOW.....they all managed here a long time ago - most in the last century!, Benny is retired and pushing 80 for example. That's why I said Cotts. None of the 5 are currently working in the efl or PL. As to wether - back at the time - they were better managers than LJ then demonstrably they all were before joining as all of them had at least 1 promotion on their cv. None worked out here for various reasons ( McInnes and SOD had to drastically cut wage bill whilst staying competitive, Benny came to be DOF but was thrust in when JW quit, Pulis football style +gas background wasn't liked and shouldn't have been hired, Coppell quit when SL interfered in his recruitment plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Robin Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Not so easy to say, because we should consider also the level of the City teams they managed. TBS, I'd say G.Johnson > Cotterill > L.Johnson > McInnes & Millen > O'Driscoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Best , easy for me. TC. Saved the club, put money in the club, worked in the club shop, got us to win at (the real) Wembley . Just an all round great guy. Worst.... Osman , Pulis , Osman , SOD , Osman.... did I mention Osman? Never forgive Osman for that midweek trip to West Ham, he didn't even have a plan of hat to do if we got in their half ! Just defend from the Half way line, worst football ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, 1960maaan said: Best , easy for me. TC. Saved the club, put money in the club, worked in the club shop, got us to win at (the real) Wembley . Just an all round great guy. Worst.... Osman , Pulis , Osman , SOD , Osman.... did I mention Osman? Never forgive Osman for that midweek trip to West Ham, he didn't even have a plan of hat to do if we got in their half ! Just defend from the Half way line, worst football ever. Osman was pretty bad. I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: Osman was pretty bad. I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned him... I knew I'd missed someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 3 hours ago, CodeRed said: Cotts wasn't backed though was he ? Not even a tenth of what SL has given LJ, despite that he managed to sign Kodjia who remains our biggest nett profit sale and the epitome of Steve Lansdown's sustainability model of buy young talent cheaply,improve,add value and sell at a profit............ Totally Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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