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WBA v Stoke

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Just heard O’Neil interviewed pre match, when asked what he’d done to improve things at Stoke....he replied along the lines of, I’ve played a settled team as that breeds familiarity and confidence.

Umm interesting. 

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3 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

Just heard O’Neil interviewed pre match, when asked what he’d done to improve things at Stoke....he replied along the lines of, I’ve played a settled team as that breeds familiarity and confidence.

Umm interesting. 

Johnson has not kept a settled team because he hasn't found a formula yet.

We have seen in the past 17/18 good run, 15 game unbeaten run last season. He will keep the same side just like his Dad used to.

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19 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

Just heard O’Neil interviewed pre match, when asked what he’d done to improve things at Stoke....he replied along the lines of, I’ve played a settled team as that breeds familiarity and confidence.

Umm interesting. 

Still behind us on current form tables over 6 and 10 games.

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When you look at the form table over the last 6 games, if WBA lose tonight they'll be 2nd from bottom. Leeds also low.

Results weekly turn up results we think shouldn't happen.

There is no easy game in this league.

Baggies friends saying how crap they are...Leeds friends saying the same.

Yes our football has been less than exciting, and results up and down...but apart from Brentford and maybe Leeds are we any more boring to watch than the majority of teams in this league?

We set that bar so high a couple seasons back, entertainment wise. 

Perhaps this is just the Championship...

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40 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Stoke look very poor considering some of the players they have.

WBA should win this.

To be fair, Stoke defended like their lives depended on it.

Poor quality from both sides.

WBA on the slide - like Leeds.

 

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2 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Johnson has not kept a settled team because he hasn't found a formula yet.

We have seen in the past 17/18 good run, 15 game unbeaten run last season. He will keep the same side just like his Dad used to.

How long do we wait for this so called "formula"? I thought (like many) he had the team and "formula" finally sorted against Huddersfield and then Fulham.... Then he had to tweak that (just couldn't leave it alone) after 2 superb wins and we then play predictably poor, tweak that again and another loss (rather than going back to the Hudds and Fulham tactics), then next step is to remove 3 midfielders and change them....

 

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I can't think of many teams apart from perhaps Newcastle and Wolves who once they got to the top have remained there between Xmas and May. Wolves were certainly an unusually "gifted" team that season!

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10 minutes ago, spudski said:

When you look at the form table over the last 6 games, if WBA lose tonight they'll be 2nd from bottom. Leeds also low.

Results weekly turn up results we think shouldn't happen.

There is no easy game in this league.

Baggies friends saying how crap they are...Leeds friends saying the same.

Yes our football has been less than exciting, and results up and down...but apart from Brentford and maybe Leeds are we any more boring to watch than the majority of teams in this league?

We set that bar so high a couple seasons back, entertainment wise. 

Perhaps this is just the Championship...

The Baggies losing at home to lowly Stoke just amplifies how unpredictable the Championship is and yet some posters  become  angry and vociferous when City struggle in any given game............

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I said earlier in the season, that teams like Stoke, Huddersfield, Middlesborough etc, would pick up at some point, and that gaining points against those teams while they were suffering would be in our favour. It's starting to look that way.

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3 minutes ago, wood_red said:

How long do we wait for this so called "formula"? I thought (like many) he had the team and "formula" finally sorted against Huddersfield and then Fulham.... Then he had to tweak that (just couldn't leave it alone) after 2 superb wins and we then play predictably poor, tweak that again and another loss (rather than going back to the Hudds and Fulham tactics), then next step is to remove 3 midfielders and change them....

 

Nothing has clicked yet. Last season he had tried loads of different set ups but I think it was ipswich away where he went to a 4141 and we went on to win it. He ended up sticking with that for most of the next 15 that we won 11 and drew 4 of.

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5 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

SACK HIM!!!! 

 

Screenshot_20200120_215911_com.android.chrome.thumb.jpg.e5d25abedc441aa3cdeeca892fb3313b.jpg

Bit clearer;

Form: Last 6 matches (HOME AND AWAY)

    GP W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Nottm Forest 6 4 1 1 11 6 +5 13
2 Middlesbrough 6 4 1 1 9 4 +5 13
3 Reading 6 4 1 1 9 4 +5 13
4 Fulham 6 4 1 1 9 6 +3 13
5 Brentford 6 3 2 1 11 4 +7 11
6 Millwall 6 3 2 1 8 4 +4 11
7 Swansea City 6 3 2 1 5 4 +1 11
8 Derby County 6 3 2 1 8 8 0 11
9 Stoke City 6 3 1 2 10 7 +3 10
10 Hull City 6 3 0 3 6 5 +1 9
11 Bristol City 6 3 0 3 8 8 0 9
12 Barnsley 6 2 2 2 6 6 0 8
13 QP Rangers 6 2 1 3 11 9 +2 7
14 Huddersfield 6 2 1 3 7 10 -3 7
15 Cardiff City 6 1 4 1 5 9 -4 7
16 Blackburn 6 1 3 2 10 7 +3 6
17 Preston 6 1 3 2 4 7 -3 6
18 Sheffield Wed 6 2 0 4 6 11 -5 6
19 Charlton 6 1 2 3 9 11 -2 5
20 Leeds Utd 6 1 2 3 8 11 -3 5
21 Wigan Athletic 6 1 2 3 5 8 -3 5
22 Birmingham City 6 1 2 3 10 14 -4 5
23 West Brom 6 0 4 2 5 8 -3 4
24 Luton Town 6 0 1 5 6 15 -9 1

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Nearing end of January and BCFC are an embarrassing NINE points behind the runaway leaders after only a paltry 28 games played. That's three whole win's  worth.

No wonder everyone seems to be losing their shit about our club.

I am booing.

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2 hours ago, Midred said:

I can't think of many teams apart from perhaps Newcastle and Wolves who once they got to the top have remained there between Xmas and May. Wolves were certainly an unusually "gifted" team that season!

I see what you did there. Nicely done.

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WBA and Leeds have taken just 8 points between them from a possible 30 over the last five games......with only the one win in ten games.

All 6 teams currently below the top two  (which includes us) have each taken more points that the top two teams combined over the same number of games.  Forest and Millwall have between them taken 24 out of 30. We have taken 9 out of 15.
 

If WBA or Leeds don’t win their next game, the top of the Championship will get quite interesting rather quickly.

 

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7 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

WBA and Leeds have taken just 8 points between them from a possible 30 over the last five games......with only the one win in ten games.

All 6 teams currently below the top two  (which includes us) have each taken more points that the top two teams combined over the same number of games.  Forest and Millwall have between them taken 24 out of 30. We have taken 9 out of 15.
 

If WBA or Leeds don’t win their next game, the top of the Championship will get quite interesting rather quickly.

 

Streaky Slaven? Streaky Bielsa?

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2 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Streaky Slaven? Streaky Bielsa?

Looks like they are on first name terms...

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21 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

WBA and Leeds have taken just 8 points between them from a possible 30 over the last five games......with only the one win in ten games.

All 6 teams currently below the top two  (which includes us) have each taken more points that the top two teams combined over the same number of games.  Forest and Millwall have between them taken 24 out of 30. We have taken 9 out of 15.
 

If WBA or Leeds don’t win their next game, the top of the Championship will get quite interesting rather quickly.

 

But a bad run is just a LJ thing. This can't be 

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6 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

But a bad run is just a LJ thing. This can't be 

Can you imagine the uproar on here if it was us that lost at home to Stoke last night?

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7 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Can you imagine the uproar on here if it was us that lost at home to Stoke last night?

Probably less than that of WBA fans, they will have no qualms binning off Billic if their top 2 place looks in serious danger. 

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9 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

Bit clearer;

Form: Last 6 matches (HOME AND AWAY)

    GP W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Nottm Forest 6 4 1 1 11 6 +5 13
2 Middlesbrough 6 4 1 1 9 4 +5 13
3 Reading 6 4 1 1 9 4 +5 13
4 Fulham 6 4 1 1 9 6 +3 13
5 Brentford 6 3 2 1 11 4 +7 11
6 Millwall 6 3 2 1 8 4 +4 11
7 Swansea City 6 3 2 1 5 4 +1 11
8 Derby County 6 3 2 1 8 8 0 11
9 Stoke City 6 3 1 2 10 7 +3 10
10 Hull City 6 3 0 3 6 5 +1 9
11 Bristol City 6 3 0 3 8 8 0 9
12 Barnsley 6 2 2 2 6 6 0 8
13 QP Rangers 6 2 1 3 11 9 +2 7
14 Huddersfield 6 2 1 3 7 10 -3 7
15 Cardiff City 6 1 4 1 5 9 -4 7
16 Blackburn 6 1 3 2 10 7 +3 6
17 Preston 6 1 3 2 4 7 -3 6
18 Sheffield Wed 6 2 0 4 6 11 -5 6
19 Charlton 6 1 2 3 9 11 -2 5
20 Leeds Utd 6 1 2 3 8 11 -3 5
21 Wigan Athletic 6 1 2 3 5 8 -3 5
22 Birmingham City 6 1 2 3 10 14 -4 5
23 West Brom 6 0 4 2 5 8 -3 4
24 Luton Town 6 0 1 5 6 15 -9 1

Question is - has anyone else played the 3 teams marooned at the bottom in the last 6 games. LJ lucky to get a run like that at a time we are playing poorly. 

It will be interesting to see how long we take to win 3 more. 

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25 minutes ago, Spud55 said:

Probably less than that of WBA fans, they will have no qualms binning off Billic if their top 2 place looks in serious danger. 

1. Most teams have a run of bad games during a season, so I don’t think WBA will panic just yet.

2. There are no easy games in this league. Leeds and West Brom will tell you that.

3. Teams struggling at the bottom can be much tougher opponents than teams with a gap at the top, especially at this stage of the season. Plus, it only takes one or two new players brought in during the January transfer window to totally transform a poor team.

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10 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

Question is - has anyone else played the 3 teams marooned at the bottom in the last 6 games. LJ lucky to get a run like that at a time we are playing poorly. 

It will be interesting to see how long we take to win 3 more. 

Try the next 3

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8 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

Question is - has anyone else played the 3 teams marooned at the bottom in the last 6 games. LJ lucky to get a run like that at a time we are playing poorly. 

It will be interesting to see how long we take to win 3 more. 

Playing the bottom 3 teams doesn’t mean we’ve had 3 easy games. 
 

For example...Who would have predicted Stoke to beat West Brom away last night?

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30 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

Question is - has anyone else played the 3 teams marooned at the bottom in the last 6 games. LJ lucky to get a run like that at a time we are playing poorly. 

It will be interesting to see how long we take to win 3 more. 

Barnsley only lost 1 game in 8 before coming to Ashton Gate, including a draw with west brom, beating millwall away and beating QPR. A great win. 

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1 hour ago, Port Said Red said:

Streaky Slaven? Streaky Bielsa?

No chance - MASSIVE clubs (just ask the media) so it just doesn't apply.......

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2 hours ago, Slippin cider said:

Job for Cotts?

When was he last in a job????

! can't recall teams falling over themselves to employ him!

:dunno:

 

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1 hour ago, robin_unreliant said:

Question is - has anyone else played the 3 teams marooned at the bottom in the last 6 games. LJ lucky to get a run like that at a time we are playing poorly. 

It will be interesting to see how long we take to win 3 more. 

Above tweet was posted on 6th Jan, West Brom doing worse than expected, not sure about the rest of the sides there though!

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8 hours ago, OldlandReddies said:

Leeds have won just 1 League game in the last 7. West Brom have won 1 in 8 ! 

And we've won 3 out of 4 in the league, yet we're in absolute crisis... :dunno:

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1 hour ago, Carey 6 said:

 

Above tweet was posted on 6th Jan, West Brom doing worse than expected, not sure about the rest of the sides there though!

Not sure that table does anyone any favours. No game is easy. You've only got to look at the form of Reading, Boro, Stoke and Derby who have all struggled this season.

Anyone can beat anyone.

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29 minutes ago, spudski said:

Not sure that table does anyone any favours. No game is easy. You've only got to look at the form of Reading, Boro, Stoke and Derby who have all struggled this season.

Anyone can beat anyone.

Yes, and while it's true that the 3 sides we've beaten recently are at the bottom of the table, those are exactly the type of games that we've slipped up in in recent seasons too, especially at home.

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59 minutes ago, spudski said:

Not sure that table does anyone any favours. No game is easy. You've only got to look at the form of Reading, Boro, Stoke and Derby who have all struggled this season.

Anyone can beat anyone.

There are no hard games either then? If there are no easy games, then every game must be equally challenging? A nonsense, sir!

28 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Yes, and while it's true that the 3 sides we've beaten recently are at the bottom of the table, those are exactly the type of games that we've slipped up in in recent seasons too, especially at home.

True, but Luton at home, if that wasn't easy like Sunday morning, then what is? They left their gloves in Luton, never mind laying one on us.

It's too easy to say: there are no easy games. I don't suppose Preston found us anything other than easy when beating us 5 nil (ie, some teams beat themselves, with one bad apple undermining the whole team; and some are beaten before they get off the coach, etc). Burnley at their place, 0:4, that was men v boys. Remember, one definition of "easy" is: presenting few difficulties. Think of "easy" like this, and it is not impossible to recall occasions when City have been very easy and comfortable fodder for other sides in this division. 

Is it not better to say there are very few easy games? Or, better still: some games (Luton at home) are easier than other games (West Brom away), but you only can know this for certain in hindsight.

 

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2 hours ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

There are no hard games either then? If there are no easy games, then every game must be equally challenging? A nonsense, sir!

True, but Luton at home, if that wasn't easy like Sunday morning, then what is? They left their gloves in Luton, never mind laying one on us.

It's too easy to say: there are no easy games. I don't suppose Preston found us anything other than easy when beating us 5 nil (ie, some teams beat themselves, with one bad apple undermining the whole team; and some are beaten before they get off the coach, etc). Burnley at their place, 0:4, that was men v boys. Remember, one definition of "easy" is: presenting few difficulties. Think of "easy" like this, and it is not impossible to recall occasions when City have been very easy and comfortable fodder for other sides in this division. 

Is it not better to say there are very few easy games? Or, better still: some games (Luton at home) are easier than other games (West Brom away), but you only can know this for certain in hindsight.

 

Every game is hard...non are easy. Not sure how you make that to be nonsense? 🤔

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7 hours ago, Slippin cider said:

Job for Cotts?

He was spotted last week in Cabot circus, shopping with Mrs Cotts. He’s available for work I guess 😀

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8 hours ago, Badger08 said:

But a bad run is just a LJ thing. This can't be 

I think part of the problem is the system changes made.  With Bilic and Bielsa-bub, they’ve stuck to tried and tested.  Who knows what’s right?

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think part of the problem is the system changes made.  With Bilic and Bielsa-bub, they’ve stuck to tried and tested.  Who knows what’s right?

At the moment those tried and tested don't look quiet a tried and tested as they did.

As for who knows what's right, from many on OTIB the answer is not LJ! :) 

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On 20/01/2020 at 21:58, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Joe Allen would do a great job for us

What about a bid? 

Rumoured to be heading to West Ham as Stoke look to tackle financial fair play regulations and an expensive / large squad 

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On 20/01/2020 at 21:58, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Joe Allen would do a great job for us

What about a bid? 

Nice one Cyril.

He would be a cracking signing, but salary must be 50k upwards ?

Heading for the Premier League I would think.

 

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5 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

Nice one Cyril.

He would be a cracking signing, but salary must be 50k upwards ?

Heading for the Premier League I would think.

Who would have thought that when we played them earlier in the season? Their fans screaming at him and booing his every touch in the second half, they are presumably happy to se him go then?

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On 22/01/2020 at 18:07, Port Said Red said:

Who would have thought that when we played them earlier in the season? Their fans screaming at him and booing his every touch in the second half, they are presumably happy to se him go then?

He was sent off in the 12th minute for that shocking tackle on Josh B mate!

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