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Silvio Dante

JET (Woo-ooh-ooh-ooh)

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My favourite player from last decade and coincidentally scored my favourite goal from last decade - against the Gas! 

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He was one of my favourite players to watch at City of all time. Has tremendous talent - Premier League talent in my opinion. 

Trouble with players like him is that you almost have to build the entire team around him to get the best out of him. When he was on form under SO'D he looked absolutely fantastic. 

Whether it's lack of application or his body just struggles with an endurance sport I'm not sure, but I feel he's really wasted his huge talent.

Good luck to him at Cheltenham, under the right manager and if he's completely fit he will tear it up for them.

 

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49 minutes ago, Ecko said:

My favourite player from last decade and coincidentally scored my favourite goal from last decade - against the Gas! 

Agree with you mate. Most skilful player I've seen at AG in years. It would be hard not to include Trundle, Tomlin and JET in a list of players that made you nod your head in appreciation. JET would be the top of those three for me. Coincidentally all three had a bit of an issue applying themselves. That goal against gas was awesome. Right up there with Aaron Brown's break from our own box that was crossed in for Thorpe to nod in. 

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Glad we were one of the few clubs to see the best of him. Unplayable on his day.

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I agree with those above, JET was a fantastic player who should have had a career in the higher divisions.  It didn't happen to him (mostly his own fault) which was a crying shame.

It just shows that you need far more than just talent to make it as a Premier/Championship footballer.  Attitude and work rate is just as important as raw skill.

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Some would take someone who runs a lot over someone with talent.

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7 minutes ago, Super said:

Some would take someone who runs a lot over someone with talent.

Irrespective of results - you enjoy watching the likes of Scott Wagstaff and Cole Skuse more than JET/Tomlin/Trundle/Noble? 

I understand why those enigma type of players are flawed and often underachieve, but my best memories watching City have included David Noble's screamer vs Palace, Trundle vs Palace, JET vs Rovers etc etc

I don't really have any outstanding memories of an unspectacular but solid midfield player covering lots of ground, not why I enjoy football.

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4 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Most overrated player of recent times. So much ability but it’s worthless if the effort isn’t there. 

Overrated?

He was a brilliant player for us, someone who had you on the edge of your seat. 
 

Maybe he wasn’t always brilliant, but he certainly wasn’t overrated 

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4 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Irrespective of results - you enjoy watching the likes of Scott Wagstaff and Cole Skuse more than JET/Tomlin/Trundle/Noble? 

I understand why those enigma type of players are flawed and often underachieve, but my best memories watching City have included David Noble's screamer vs Palace, Trundle vs Palace, JET vs Rovers etc etc

I don't really have any outstanding memories of an unspectacular but solid midfield player covering lots of ground, not why I enjoy football.

No I would always take a JET over a Weimann.

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6 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Most overrated player of recent times. So much ability but it’s worthless if the effort isn’t there. 

I agree with the principle but think the general consensus on him seems to be that he had a huge amount of ability but either lacked the application or the natural fitness for the modern game. 

I don't think he's overrated on here - more a case of 'what could have been' with all his ability. 

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2 hours ago, Ecko said:

My favourite player from last decade and coincidentally scored my favourite goal from last decade - against the Gas! 

Lazy? At times. Frustrating? Sometimes.

The last player I can remember who  just made me smile and a talent that made you stand up just incase  magic happened? Definitely.

My kids idolised him and he helped them love city and football. Not like the stat collectors we have become.

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1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Irrespective of results - you enjoy watching the likes of Scott Wagstaff and Cole Skuse more than JET/Tomlin/Trundle/Noble? 

I understand why those enigma type of players are flawed and often underachieve, but my best memories watching City have included David Noble's screamer vs Palace, Trundle vs Palace, JET vs Rovers etc etc

I don't really have any outstanding memories of an unspectacular but solid midfield player covering lots of ground, not why I enjoy football.

Yep, there comes  a point where the thing itself has to be enjoyable and make you smile,

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1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

Back in “this parish” on trial at Cheltenham

 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-arsenal-bristol-city-striker-3759863

 

Not put in transfer forum as more of an ex player thing (sorry Robbo) as opposed to a target

Sorry but not enough Oooh's in the thread title

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1 minute ago, 054123 said:

Lazy? At times. Frustrating? Sometimes.

The last player I can remember you just made me smile and a talent that made stand up just invade magic happen? Definitely.

My kids idolised him and helped them love city and football. Not like the stat collectors we have become.

Exactly. He was frustrating as **** some days but when he turned it on you felt like you were entertained. At present the club lack players that can turn on those flashes of excitement. There's just no spontaneity and as a result it's predictably dull. 

In the future will just feed the stats into a piece of AI. The AI will pick the team every week based on our and the opposition stats. The AI will probably do the after game interview. I'm not sure we're too far from that.  

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14 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

Overrated?

He was a brilliant player for us, someone who had you on the edge of your seat. 
 

Maybe he wasn’t always brilliant, but he certainly wasn’t overrated 

You called him a brilliant player for us. That’s overrating him so thanks for proving my point!

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13 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I agree with the principle but think the general consensus on him seems to be that he had a huge amount of ability but either lacked the application or the natural fitness for the modern game. 

I don't think he's overrated on here - more a case of 'what could have been' with all his ability. 

@Fordy62 certainly overrates him! 

I think a lot are blinkered to the skill and the 1 in 4 games that he was great. His career since us says a lot. 

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5 minutes ago, RedDave said:

@Fordy62 certainly overrates him! 

I think a lot are blinkered to the skill and the 1 in 4 games that he was great. His career since us says a lot. 

I think the issues with him are the need to build the team around him, perhaps his application (he loves the extra curricular lifestyle of being a footballer) and perhaps his body not being suited to the modern endurance heavy game.

Think on talent alone he's one of the most gifted players I can remember - doesn't mean much without the rest.

Really enjoyed watching him when on form though. 

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10 minutes ago, RedDave said:

@Fordy62 certainly overrates him! 

I think a lot are blinkered to the skill and the 1 in 4 games that he was great. His career since us says a lot. 

Bloody entertaining though!  Loved him.

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2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

He was one of my favourite players to watch at City of all time. Has tremendous talent - Premier League talent in my opinion. 

Trouble with players like him is that you almost have to build the entire team around him to get the best out of him. When he was on form under SO'D he looked absolutely fantastic. 

Whether it's lack of application or his body just struggles with an endurance sport I'm not sure, but I feel he's really wasted his huge talent.

Good luck to him at Cheltenham, under the right manager and if he's completely fit he will tear it up for them.

 

Makes I cry seeing all that. The idea that it was difficult to accommodate a talent like that in our team and that we didn't bust ourselves to keep him goes against every reason why we love football. SOD, bless him, got it right with JET.

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8 minutes ago, southvillekiddy said:

Makes I cry seeing all that. The idea that it was difficult to accommodate a talent like that in our team and that we didn't bust ourselves to keep him goes against every reason why we love football. SOD, bless him, got it right with JET.

SO'D is the only manager that Jet has performed for relatively consistently - I remember him absolutely dominating us for Doncaster when on loan from Arsenal. Got a standing ovation at AG which is pretty unusual.

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52 minutes ago, RedDave said:

@Fordy62 certainly overrates him! 

I think a lot are blinkered to the skill and the 1 in 4 games that he was great. His career since us says a lot. 

1 in 4 is still higher than a majority of our players at the moment, he was a joy to watch, 16 goals in one season for us, a perfect hat-trick at Carlisle, a goal never to forget against the gas and moments of sheer magic, you carry on having wet dreams about the likes of Skuse and Pack, give me the likes of Jet, Tomlin and Trundle any time 

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Remember being at Shrewsbury and he received the ball from a throw in. He just started walking with the ball, remember myself and others standing there saying just run once in a while. 
He just did a shimmy and from 20 yds fires it into the net, never again have I accused a player of not running/trying.

Pure magic from him.

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Never forget the JET perfect hattrick against Carlilse.  Header right foot then left foot, last goal basically bullied the defender and just easily pushed him off the ball to score

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It's absolutely possible to appreciate the skill of and entertainment provided by a player like JET while lamenting some of his shortcomings. 

JET has not achieved what he was capable of in his career because (it seems) he didn't want to put in the effort. 

Skuse, Pack and the like have achieved what they have in their respective careers exactly because they put in the effort. 

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1 hour ago, RedDave said:

@Fordy62 certainly overrates him! 

I think a lot are blinkered to the skill and the 1 in 4 games that he was great. His career since us says a lot. 

Uhhhhh... that’s a difficult accusation to respond to. 
 

My argument would be that I don’t overtake him, I rate him according to the skill and ability that he has: the most gifted player I’ve ever seen at AG!

 

On a serious note, he was the shining light in some dark times and I wonder if that skews to opinion somewhat!

 

But my was he talented. 

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27 minutes ago, Galway Red said:

1 in 4 is still higher than a majority of our players at the moment, he was a joy to watch, 16 goals in one season for us, a perfect hat-trick at Carlisle, a goal never to forget against the gas and moments of sheer magic, you carry on having wet dreams about the likes of Skuse and Pack, give me the likes of Jet, Tomlin and Trundle any time 

Have I had wet dreams about Skuse and Pack?!  
Weird comment 

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Just the sort of creative player who can unlock a game with a moment of magic we need now, 

He was great for us, one of the few players I have ever seen who I wanted the ball to go to so could see what would happen, he was genuinely exciting to watch which is what football is all about I think

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He was brilliant at times in league one against much inferior opposition.

His fitness levels were shocking. I remember a game he came on for 10 mins to see game out and he sprinted once and looked absolutely knackered and then strolled around for rest of the game.

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1 hour ago, RedDave said:

@Fordy62 certainly overrates him! 

I think a lot are blinkered to the skill and the 1 in 4 games that he was great. His career since us says a lot. 

This does make him 2.5x more productive than the combined talents of Pato and COD. 

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I don't think lazy is a fair criticism of JET. He carried all his weight in his shoulders and his endomorphic frame didn't lend him to sprinting. A lower centre of gravity and a different body type would've made him unplayable.

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For those of you who don’t like the Bristol Post site, me included as I Googled instead. JET is having a trial with Cheltenham, possibly to just build his fitness after a spell in Thailand. Google tells me that he turned 29 just after Christmas. 

I cant imagine Cheltenham is much of a social hot spot for him, quite a weird choice of clubs unless beggars can’t be choosers. But he should be getting better offers than Cheltenham or Thailand at his age with his experience.

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3 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

He was one of my favourite players to watch at City of all time. Has tremendous talent - Premier League talent in my opinion. 

Trouble with players like him is that you almost have to build the entire team around him to get the best out of him. When he was on form under SO'D he looked absolutely fantastic. 

Whether it's lack of application or his body just struggles with an endurance sport I'm not sure, but I feel he's really wasted his huge talent.

Good luck to him at Cheltenham, under the right manager and if he's completely fit he will tear it up for them.

 

Build the team around JET and you're going down

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Incredible player - probably  the most gifted in terms of natural ability I've seen in my 30 odd years. 

Problem was he wasn't interested in doing much more than the bare minimum with his career - if he actually tried it would be frightening. 

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12 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

I don't think lazy is a fair criticism of JET. He carried all his weight in his shoulders and his endomorphic frame didn't lend him to sprinting. A lower centre of gravity and a different body type would've made him unplayable.

But then he might lack strength which was probably his biggest asset to go with his touch and skills.

He used his frame to keep players off whilst dribbling.

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14 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

I don't think lazy is a fair criticism of JET. He carried all his weight in his shoulders and his endomorphic frame didn't lend him to sprinting. A lower centre of gravity and a different body type would've made him unplayable.

Yep I’ve also thought this before. Weirdly Diedhiou also plays like a smaller player. I think a lean 11st 6ft” JET would be amazing.

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7 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said:

Incredible player - probably  the most gifted in terms of natural ability I've seen in my 30 odd years. 

Problem was he wasn't interested in doing much more than the bare minimum with his career - if he actually tried it would be frightening. 

Enjoys the lifestyle and relative wealth - always has done. Constantly promoting club nights and hanging around with East London/Essex celebs such as Anthony Yarde, the rapper Chipmunk and others.

Wenger rated him hugely as a youngster at Arsenal, easy to see why.

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Christian Vieri was the ultimate form of JET, had all the physical and technical attributes combined with the work rate. When you're that size your body breaks down trying to do that.

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15 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

I don't think lazy is a fair criticism of JET. He carried all his weight in his shoulders and his endomorphic frame didn't lend him to sprinting. A lower centre of gravity and a different body type would've made him unplayable.

Its a body shape that does not suit football. The worst. Endomorphs can be suited to sprinting (its anaerobic activity) but frequently not suit endurance activities and post explosive movements have poor recovery times.

An alternative view can be is that he did well and reached his ceiling.

11 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said:

Incredible player - probably  the most gifted in terms of natural ability I've seen in my 30 odd years. 

Problem was he wasn't interested in doing much more than the bare minimum with his career - if he actually tried it would be frightening. 

There is no football gene that leads to being naturally gifted. Its not a gift. Skill is created by practice and practice only. This player would have practiced more to gain his level of skill. He did not come out of the womb a skilful footballer.

Your average human cant do fifty kick ups because they do not try to. 

 

 

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For me, an absolutely wonderful player. I loved watching how he would just glide past players like he was just playing "off the cuff". Which, I would imagine is how he goes through life.

So talented and with a unique penalty action, just brilliant. I was never quite sure whether he was taking the mickey out of the keeper with that oh so slow walk up.

I take great satisfaction that he was a success here and I'd certainly have him up there with Trunds & Jacki.

 

 

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