fanjita Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Absolutely correct too in my opinion, the way that their players surrounded the referee ( in particular De Gea ) following the eventuality disallowed goal was appalling, no respect at all for the referee. How many times have I heard about how we can learn from rugby, this was a classic case, never would you see that on a rugby field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Why don’t refs book them all, swearing at a ref should be an instant yellow. You see it all the time why haven’t they fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Shtanley said: Why don’t refs book them all, swearing at a ref should be an instant yellow. You see it all the time why haven’t they fixed it. You can even use VAR to make sure all of them get booked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, fanjita said: Absolutely correct too in my opinion, the way that their players surrounded the referee ( in particular De Gea ) following the eventuality disallowed goal was appalling, no respect at all for the referee. How many times have I heard about how we can learn from rugby, this was a classic case, never would you see that on a rugby field. Totally agree . Reminded me of Barcelona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Prinny said: You can even use VAR to make sure all of them get booked! Be there for hours. Takes them 3 minutes to sort a tight offside decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanjita Posted January 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 In my opinion there was even a case for sending off De Gea, he went totally over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Reaction was over the top, but goal was disallowed and all bookings arguing over it stood. Why should bookings stand if the goal was disallowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkntrkljbflrbh3eljth Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said: Reaction was over the top, but goal was disallowed and all bookings arguing over it stood. Why should bookings stand if the goal was disallowed. Because feeling justified is no excuse to manhandle and intimidate officials so that would send completely the wrong message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, fanjita said: Absolutely correct too in my opinion, the way that their players surrounded the referee ( in particular De Gea ) following the eventuality disallowed goal was appalling, no respect at all for the referee. How many times have I heard about how we can learn from rugby, this was a classic case, never would you see that on a rugby field. You should post that here, https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=anbp55a1kolph0g892e27odbdc&board=2.0 At the end of the day, Liverpool players would have done exactly the same. Dont kid yourself that they wouldnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said: Reaction was over the top, but goal was disallowed and all bookings arguing over it stood. Why should bookings stand if the goal was disallowed. The goal should have stood in any case. All Van Dijk did was jump to head the ball. I still think the rugby way is right - nobody is allowed to address the ref but the captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, LegalEagle said: Because feeling justified is no excuse to manhandle and intimidate officials so that would send completely the wrong message. I agree, but if ref was proved wrong as goal was overruled you could say Man Utd were justified in there complaints and bookings shouldn’t stand. Just seems wrong that you could be sent off for a 2nd booking over something that would be reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bas's perfect hattrick Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 It should be that only the captain and the offending player can talk to the referee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Up The City! said: You should post that here, https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=anbp55a1kolph0g892e27odbdc&board=2.0 At the end of the day, Liverpool players would have done exactly the same. Dont kid yourself that they wouldnt. Sure they would and that would also be out of order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 Not as thought Man U have previous for this........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Nibor said: The goal should have stood in any case. All Van Dijk did was jump to head the ball. I still think the rugby way is right - nobody is allowed to address the ref but the captain. Most probably should of but VAR said it was a foul so ref was wrong. Personally wasn’t clear and obvious and if you see some of the goals given, Everton v Man Utd not sure how it was disallowed. This is where VAR is a problem someone at Stockley Park thinks it’s a foul and that’s it. Ref should of looked at pitch side monitor and made his own decision, to easy as a ref to hand the blame to others. When goals are given when handball in build up, Van Dijk v Wolves, think was wolves against Southampton Saturday and some not given Rice West Ham. You wonder what they think at Stockley Park and why don’t they apply same rules to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, Nibor said: The goal should have stood in any case. All Van Dijk did was jump to head the ball. I still think the rugby way is right - nobody is allowed to address the ref but the captain. Difference with rugby is the captain will always be near to the ref because of the nature of the game. Where’s if a captain is the keeper he can’t be near the ref all 90 minutes. Just make it so you cannot shout or swear at a ref or you’re instantly booked, simple! I remember reading that allegedly production companies have asked the PL about mic’ing up referees during the game but the league have said no as they’re worried about the levels of abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said: Most probably should of but VAR said it was a foul so ref was wrong. Personally wasn’t clear and obvious and if you see some of the goals given, Everton v Man Utd not sure how it was disallowed. This is where VAR is a problem someone at Stockley Park thinks it’s a foul and that’s it. Ref should of looked at pitch side monitor and made his own decision, to easy as a ref to hand the blame to others. When goals are given when handball in build up, Van Dijk v Wolves, think was wolves against Southampton Saturday and some not given Rice West Ham. You wonder what they think at Stockley Park and why don’t they apply same rules to everyone. I agree it would be better if the ref used the screen, should always be the on the field ref's final decision. I think VAR should only intervene when there's a serious off the ball incident the ref completely missed, otherwise it should be there for them to consult only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, downendcity said: Not as thought Man U have previous for this........ Not as though Liverpool have previous for this either...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Difference with rugby is the captain will always be near to the ref because of the nature of the game. Where’s if a captain is the keeper he can’t be near the ref all 90 minutes. Just make it so you cannot shout or swear at a ref or you’re instantly booked, simple! I remember reading that allegedly production companies have asked the PL about mic’ing up referees during the game but the league have said no as they’re worried about the levels of abuse. This doesn't really matter because players have no need to talk to the ref. I'm not suggesting the ref can't talk to the players. I'd just book anybody who addresses the ref directly and isn't the captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nibor said: This doesn't really matter because players have no need to talk to the ref. I'm not suggesting the ref can't talk to the players. I'd just book anybody who addresses the ref directly and isn't the captain. Gotcha. Just could be a tad awkward if ref needs to have a word but is on opposite end of the pitch to the captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 52 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Why don’t refs book them all, swearing at a ref should be an instant yellow. You see it all the time why haven’t they fixed it. No need for that. They all wear ‘Respect’ patches on their sleeves. Surely that’s enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Up The City! said: Not as though Liverpool have previous for this either...... Bellamy in the middle of it, of course. Wanchor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 It needs a referee with a backbone to apply the laws of the game. If a player approaches him with aggression that's dissent. Book him. If you end up with 3 players sent off then that's not the referees fault and they'll soon bloody learn. The same with time wasting. Time wasting is time wasting. Doesn't matter if it's in the 94th minute or the 4th minute. Book someone for it early and send a message out. Unfortunately referees don't do that. You'd soon see crap like this stop when teams start losing players and money through fines etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Difference with rugby is the captain will always be near to the ref because of the nature of the game. Where’s if a captain is the keeper he can’t be near the ref all 90 minutes. Just make it so you cannot shout or swear at a ref or you’re instantly booked, simple! I remember reading that allegedly production companies have asked the PL about mic’ing up referees during the game but the league have said no as they’re worried about the levels of abuse. Even more reason to mic them up! I'm sure the embarrassment to the club would be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 49 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said: I agree, but if ref was proved wrong as goal was overruled you could say Man Utd were justified in there complaints and bookings shouldn’t stand. Just seems wrong that you could be sent off for a 2nd booking over something that would be reversed. They did not get booked for contesting the goal, they got booked for the way they contested the goal. Regardless of the context and whether they were proven right or wrong, they still surrounded the ref and acted in the way that they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 55 minutes ago, Nibor said: The goal should have stood in any case. All Van Dijk did was jump to head the ball. I still think the rugby way is right - nobody is allowed to address the ref but the captain. I agree with the first part, but players being allowed to address the ref is important - it's about the way you ask that isn't punished enough if you ask me. You should be able to ask specifically why a foul has been given against you, but when players take it over the top like De Gea did screaming at the ref, i'd like to see an alteration to the dissent rules that make it a straight red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 47 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Difference with rugby is the captain will always be near to the ref because of the nature of the game. Where’s if a captain is the keeper he can’t be near the ref all 90 minutes. Just make it so you cannot shout or swear at a ref or you’re instantly booked, simple! I remember reading that allegedly production companies have asked the PL about mic’ing up referees during the game but the league have said no as they’re worried about the levels of abuse. Back to Rugby but couldn't you borrow the citation model that they have. I believe every game is reviewed and post-math cards can be handed out. Perhaps combine it with a version of the demerit system that Cricket uses. Jos Buttler (the little Wedmore god) recently caught calling Philander a "ducking bobhead" on mic. He was given a demerit point post-match for it rather than an in-match sanction. If he collects four demerits over a certain period (iirc two years on a rolling basis) then he gets a one match ban (iirc). takes the pressure of the officials to come up with a quick sanction during the game, but still has the potential to punish repeat offenders. So you could have each game reviewed post-match. Anything like swearing at a ref or opposition coaches is punished with a demerit point. 3 demerits in a season is a 1 match ban, the next 3 is a 2-match ban etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: You should be able to ask specifically why a foul has been given against you Why? Won't make any difference, accept it and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highguy Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Shtanley said: Why don’t refs book them all, swearing at a ref should be an instant yellow. You see it all the time why haven’t they fixed it. In the local leagues on saturdays now if you swear at the ref he gives you a yellow and you have a 10 min sin bin maybe fa should look at bringimg it up the levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Coxy27 said: Why? Won't make any difference, accept it and move on. Exactly. I was always told 'the referee's decision is final' and there's certainly no need for him to explain it. Like it or lump it and get on with the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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