AppyDAZE Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Roe said: This came up a little while ago as I wasn't fully aware of the rule either. It doesn't matter if the pass was backwards, it's because the Wolves player that received it was ahead of the ball. I wish I'd have seen this because it sounds weird. I was watching the 4-4 bore draw on Sky at the time. What happened, was he standing in an offside position for the corner, and came back to collect a short one? This is puzzling me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: I wish I'd have seen this because it sounds weird. I was watching the 4-4 bore draw on Sky at the time. What happened, was he standing in an offside position for the corner, and came back to collect a short one? This is puzzling me. He took the a short corner, and was running away from the goal when the ball was played back to him. So the ball went backwards, and when he received the ball he was in an onside position. But at the moment the ball was played, he was in a (very arguably) offside position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, elhombrecito said: He took the a short corner, and was running away from the goal when the ball was played back to him. So the ball went backwards, and when he received the ball he was in an onside position. But at the moment the ball was played, he was in an (very arguably) offside position. Gotcha. Thanks. VAR is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Roe said: This came up a little while ago as I wasn't fully aware of the rule either. It doesn't matter if the pass was backwards, it's because the Wolves player that received it was ahead of the ball. Seen it now. Mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickytimes Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Thanks for your explanation. I played football for 20 years and was not aware of this law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, elhombrecito said: He took the a short corner, and was running away from the goal when the ball was played back to him. So the ball went backwards, and when he received the ball he was in an onside position. But at the moment the ball was played, he was in a (very arguably) offside position. So ball went backwards?....in which case cannot be offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, Davefevs said: So ball went backwards?....in which case cannot be offside. There is no mention of the direction of the pass in the offside law. He was in front of the ball when it was passed, therefore he can be offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, elhombrecito said: There is no mention of the direction of the pass in the offside law. He was in front of the ball when it was passed, therefore he can be offside. Arggggh, what an arse I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, elhombrecito said: There is no mention of the direction of the pass in the offside law. He was in front of the ball when it was passed, therefore he can be offside. Wow. That’s news to be. I thought the ball had to be played forwards. Is that new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Wow. That’s news to be. I thought the ball had to be played forwards. Is that new? It's been that way all the way through modern football, but every time it comes up a few people are surprised. It seems like there were a few generations who got taught a simplified version of it they've never unlearned. You will regularly notice pundits, managers and professionals get this wrong from now on and it will annoy you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, Nibor said: It's been that way all the way through modern football, but every time it comes up a few people are surprised. It seems like there were a few generations who got taught a simplified version of it they've never unlearned. You will regularly notice pundits, managers and professionals get this wrong from now on and it will annoy you! To be fair this situation is very, very rare. Generally when the ball is played backwards the receiver is behind the ball meaning that they can't be onside meaning that I think people associate a backwards pass with being unable to be offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Spud55 said: To be fair this situation is very, very rare. Generally when the ball is played backwards the receiver is behind the ball meaning that they can't be onside meaning that I think people associate a backwards pass with being unable to be offside. It happens enough that most fans would have encountered it a few times before - usually around balls drilled through the box level or cut back, sometimes around short corners. It's come up on here at least once in the last six months. What is surprising is the number of people who have this "ball moves forwards" form of words in their head having been taught it even though it's never been part of the laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Compare Son's var red card for kicking out vs Maguire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, hodge said: Compare Son's var red card for kicking out vs Maguire One is a Man Utd player one is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Can’t see how VAR can say that is not a red. He stuck his foot up and knew what he was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, hodge said: Compare Son's var red card for kicking out vs Maguire Quite. How was this not reviewed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Lowest quality Chelsea v Man U game i have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, TomF said: Quite. How was this not reviewed It was and deemed not violent conduct On the disallowed goal to me Fred pushes CA into Williams so how does VAR allow one push but not another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, hodge said: It was and deemed not violent conduct On the disallowed goal to me Fred pushes CA into Williams so how does VAR allow one push but not another For me this is the exact purpose of the pitch side monitor, as we may have ended up with 2 completely different interpretations of the "foul" or not. VAR should ask the ref to have another look and make up their own mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, hodge said: It was and deemed not violent conduct On the disallowed goal to me Fred pushes CA into Williams so how does VAR allow one push but not another Both have one thing in common Goes in Man Utd favour Thought that might of ended with VAR but still need to look after the big boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Maltshoveller said: Both have one thing in common Goes in Man Utd favour Thought that might of ended with VAR but still need to look after the big boys Manchestvar United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Maguire aka 'Old Slabhead' according to the BBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Oh ffs that is just redic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Jesz. Just saw the disallowed Chelsea goal. All that is wrong with VAR... the goal maybe justifiably VAR disallowed but there was a push from behind on the Chelsea player first. So penalty. Should have just given them the goal as the Ref did without all the faffing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Once again VAR take away a good goal. How much tolerance is there with this line they draw. Someone was saying 30cm which if true is basically a players foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 mass exit by Chelsea fans (presumably in disgust) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 **** off Neville you biased *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Martin Tyler summed it up perfectly. VAR would be better if it gave as much as it took away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said: Once again VAR take away a good goal. How much tolerance is there with this line they draw. Someone was saying 30cm which if true is basically a players foot. The maximum margin for error depending on the speed the player is moving is up to 38 cm, which is over a foot, but that is someone running at full pelt, so likely to be less than that, but even so it cannot be claimed that it is consistent as the margin for error will be different for every decision so the supposed consistency is just not their for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hertsexile Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Clear and obvious mistakes? That’s what VAR was introduced for ! Why are referees not looking at monitors like they did in World Cup. It is ruining our game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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