Aslanovic Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 Have we progressed in four years, or have we just been invested in like never before? His players, his pattern of play (if it’s actually a thing). Im not overreacting, but you can’t help but wonder what others could achieve with this squad. #itstime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Aslanovic said: Have we progressed in four years, or have we just been invested in like never before? His players, his pattern of play (if it’s actually a thing). Im not overreacting, but you can’t help but wonder what others could achieve with this squad. #itstime Has he improved our position every year then yes,is our style of football getting worse then yes,success over pleasure I guess if he gets us promoted but big if and how long do we put up with this durge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooknRobin Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 ...For a story (fiction of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Aslanovic said: Have we progressed in four years Where were we when he took over and where are we now...? Quite simply yes we have progressed and greatly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aslanovic Posted February 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Has he improved our position every year then yes,is our style of football getting worse then yes,success over pleasure I guess if he gets us promoted but big if and how long do we put up with this durge The point being, have we improved because of him or the investment made in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewquayRed Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 For Chico ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aslanovic Posted February 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, hodge said: Where were we when he took over and where are we now...? Quite simply yes we have progressed and greatly Yes we’ve progressed, but from Streaky or Stevie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, hodge said: Where were we when he took over and where are we now...? Quite simply yes we have progressed and greatly Can't argue league position has improved ( achieved nothing) but you can't tell me the football is improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Aslanovic said: The point being, have we improved because of him or the investment made in the team. He has only had investment because of the players he improved and sold on,what is not acceptable is the slow boring football we play and that is completely at his feet and not the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: Can't argue league position has improved ( achieved nothing) but you can't tell me the football is improving. If the mission statement is reaching the play offs does it matter the style if he does achieve it? Being 6th at the moment can't say its not working overall As for 'achieved nothing' 90% of the teams in the league don't achieve anything on that basis, constant improvement in league position is achieving something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Aslanovic said: Have we progressed in four years, or have we just been invested in like never before? His players, his pattern of play (if it’s actually a thing). Im not overreacting, but you can’t help but wonder what others could achieve with this squad. #itstime Waste of your time starting this nothing will change get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talk Of The Town Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 I’ve been an LJ supporter but this slow sideways football at home is wearing thin now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, Aslanovic said: Have we progressed in four years, or have we just been invested in like never before? His players, his pattern of play (if it’s actually a thing). Im not overreacting, but you can’t help but wonder what others could achieve with this squad. #itstime And another.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Aslanovic said: The point being, have we improved because of him or the investment made in the team. It’s all down to the investment imo. A manager with experience ( or having coaches with experience working with him) would get so much extra out of the players we have. LJ has been given everything on a plate player and money wise, but still is incapable of tactically planning how to break down teams at home. I watched a team play ‘hopeful’ football for 90 minutes tonight, players knocking straight balls 40 yards for defenders to head away, players having 10 touches when one or two were needed, a total lack of using width, and a total lack of guile. At no time during the 96 minutes did I feel there was any urgency from us, that urgency and tempo has to come from the dugout, but I honestly don’t think he has it in him and is unable to convey it to the players anyway. His management style is the same as his playing style, neat and tidy without any end result. He will never get this club over the line, it’s pot luck management, win a few, lose a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: It’s all down to the investment imo. A manager with experience ( or having coaches with experience working with him) would get so much extra out of the players we have. LJ has been given everything on a plate player and money wise, but still is incapable of tactically planning how to break down teams at home. I watched a team play ‘hopeful’ football for 90 minutes tonight, players knocking straight balls 40 yards for defenders to head away, players having 10 touches when one or two were needed, a total lack of using width, and a total lack of guile. At no time during the 96 minutes did I feel there was any urgency from us, that urgency and tempo has to come from the dugout, but I honestly don’t think he has it in him and is unable to convey it to the players anyway. His management style is the same as his playing style, neat and tidy without any end result. He will never get this club over the line, it’s pot luck management, win a few, lose a few. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstoke Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 hours ago, hodge said: Where were we when he took over and where are we now...? Quite simply yes we have progressed and greatly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 4 hours ago, hodge said: If the mission statement is reaching the play offs does it matter the style if he does achieve it? Being 6th at the moment can't say its not working overall As for 'achieved nothing' 90% of the teams in the league don't achieve anything on that basis, constant improvement in league position is achieving something Well the season hasn't ended has it? Like ive said before, where we are is a completely false position. We wont be in the playoffs come the end of the season. You cannot argue he hasn't had the funds. Yes we have brought in money, but we spent it to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Atticus said: Well the season hasn't ended has it? Like ive said before, where we are is a completely false position. We wont be in the playoffs come the end of the season. You cannot argue he hasn't had the funds. Yes we have brought in money, but we spent it to begin with. That’s not a fact though, is it? It’s just your opinion. ....and no league position is false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Portland Bill said: It’s all down to the investment imo. A manager with experience ( or having coaches with experience working with him) would get so much extra out of the players we have. LJ has been given everything on a plate player and money wise, but still is incapable of tactically planning how to break down teams at home. I watched a team play ‘hopeful’ football for 90 minutes tonight, players knocking straight balls 40 yards for defenders to head away, players having 10 touches when one or two were needed, a total lack of using width, and a total lack of guile. At no time during the 96 minutes did I feel there was any urgency from us, that urgency and tempo has to come from the dugout, but I honestly don’t think he has it in him and is unable to convey it to the players anyway. His management style is the same as his playing style, neat and tidy without any end result. He will never get this club over the line, it’s pot luck management, win a few, lose a few. Portland Bill, you hit the nail on the head. Great post. I remember when LJ was playing midfield for us and he was a sturdy, predictable, I would also say solid but nothing was really achieved. LJ has a great football brain but unfortunately not good enough for Bristol city or good enough for the supporters. I have been looking forward all week to the Birmingham game on Foxtel in OZ and after the great wins from the past four today leaves me with utter disappointment, LJ has now one of the best squad if not the best players in this league but we need an alternative manager to let the players play naturally. Watching them last night most of the team seemed to play out of their comfort zone. We have the squad but regrettably not the manager to get the best out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 8 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: Has he improved our position every year then yes,is our style of football getting worse then yes,success over pleasure I guess if he gets us promoted but big if and how long do we put up with this durge We cant put up with this “Durge” the squad LJ has now is probably better than we had when we got promoted in the 70s . He’s a good manager at this level but does not seem to get the best out of what he has available. Maybe an old football mind like his old man. Hearts in the right place but for Christ sakes time is running out and now the club needs a new manager to get us promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 8 hours ago, Portland Bill said: It’s all down to the investment imo. A manager with experience ( or having coaches with experience working with him) would get so much extra out of the players we have. LJ has been given everything on a plate player and money wise, but still is incapable of tactically planning how to break down teams at home. I watched a team play ‘hopeful’ football for 90 minutes tonight, players knocking straight balls 40 yards for defenders to head away, players having 10 touches when one or two were needed, a total lack of using width, and a total lack of guile. At no time during the 96 minutes did I feel there was any urgency from us, that urgency and tempo has to come from the dugout, but I honestly don’t think he has it in him and is unable to convey it to the players anyway. His management style is the same as his playing style, neat and tidy without any end result. He will never get this club over the line, it’s pot luck management, win a few, lose a few. Absolutely on the money. I may as well just copy and paste this as this is what I think, and you have just explained it better then I ever could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Atticus said: where we are is a completely false positio How long into the season can it be a false position? Hell if we're top 6 after 46 games I'll take it even if it's a 'false' position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extonsred Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 The poor football we have all witnessed suggests that this season could well become a big, but lost opportunity, as the league whilst hugely competitive is actually not strong. Whilst wanting desperately to be in prem of course I would fear the worst if we did achieve it. No club looks likely to establish themselves there like Wolves have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-mat Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 12 hours ago, Aslanovic said: The point being, have we improved because of him or the investment made in the team. Is that the negative investment? As in we've brought more in than we've spent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-mat Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 11 hours ago, Portland Bill said: It’s all down to the investment imo. A manager with experience ( or having coaches with experience working with him) would get so much extra out of the players we have. LJ has been given everything on a plate player and money wise, but still is incapable of tactically planning how to break down teams at home. I watched a team play ‘hopeful’ football for 90 minutes tonight, players knocking straight balls 40 yards for defenders to head away, players having 10 touches when one or two were needed, a total lack of using width, and a total lack of guile. At no time during the 96 minutes did I feel there was any urgency from us, that urgency and tempo has to come from the dugout, but I honestly don’t think he has it in him and is unable to convey it to the players anyway. His management style is the same as his playing style, neat and tidy without any end result. He will never get this club over the line, it’s pot luck management, win a few, lose a few. Didn't watch Pato break his neck to score the goal then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 12 hours ago, hodge said: Where were we when he took over and where are we now...? Quite simply yes we have progressed and greatly Not greatly. Progressed but I'd be interested to see the comparative wage budgets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, The Bard said: Not greatly. Progressed but I'd be interested to see the comparative wage budgets... You'd then need the comparative wage budget for the rest of the league over the same period as I don't doubt ours has increased by a decent amount, the league's will have generally over 4 years as well. From what we've generally been told we've moved from a bottom quarter wage budget on promotion to around just inside the top half, if that is true then we'd still be punching above our wage budget for league performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 My big concern is that if we continue with this boring lack lustre style of football, will we continue to get 20k+ through the turnstiles every week. It seems that we get the ball in defence and lump it forward just to lose posession time after time. I keep seeing defenders getting the ball and crying out for some movement ahead of them. We don't seem to have any tactics for going forward and nobody seems to know what they are supposed to be doing for set pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, hodge said: You'd then need the comparative wage budget for the rest of the league over the same period as I don't doubt ours has increased by a decent amount, the league's will have generally over 4 years as well. From what we've generally been told we've moved from a bottom quarter wage budget on promotion to around just inside the top half, if that is true then we'd still be punching above our wage budget for league performance. We can currently field a 1-11 and bench of Internationals We had Five Full Internationals on the bench last night , another on the injury table ,and a £4m Chelsea ‘starlet’ who can’t even make the squad How many other Championship Clubs name 5 full Internationals on their bench ? We have at least two or more players available in virtually every position that can reasonably be expected to be Championship decent , on paper at least Backed.....? You bet he has been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, hodge said: You'd then need the comparative wage budget for the rest of the league over the same period as I don't doubt ours has increased by a decent amount, the league's will have generally over 4 years as well. From what we've generally been told we've moved from a bottom quarter wage budget on promotion to around just inside the top half, if that is true then we'd still be punching above our wage budget for league performance. But don't we sell our best players or players with most potential (Kelly) for huge money which partly pays for those wages? Kodjia, Flint, Reid, Bryan, Webster, Kelly, Brownhill. We made a profit and I predict we will again next year if we sell a few in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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