Kid in the Riot Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: England’s all time record goal scorer “was never that good anyway”..?! Don’t you just hate those flash in the pan players who turn up for for 2 decades, smash international, domestic & European records and then disappear back into oblivion again...! Also did a hell of a lot of twattish things that cost us games. I followed England home and away during most of his career and I've never been that fussed with him tbh. In fact only one memorable performance in a friendly at Celtic Park against Scotland springs to mind. Never seemed to do it in the big games against the top sides. Very good player for England, no doubt, but if he starts trying to spark a reaction (as I'm sure he will) next Weds he's getting pelters from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWSM Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 Is coleen coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, MattWSM said: Is coleen coming? she’s probably just got something stuck in her teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, MattWSM said: Is coleen coming? Her Nan will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Town Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 11 hours ago, Trueredsupporter said: A very warm one from the moment he gets off the coach half my kids school appear to want to be there for his autograph. Sadly unlikely to get anywhere near him Be nice if the kids found 11 heroes in red that will give them the time of day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie0016 Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 What exactly did he achieve for England apart from personal accolades ? Absolutely nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 5, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, MattWSM said: Is coleen coming? Tweet Rebekah Vardy I am sure she will know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire Red Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 Can't stand the bloke. Not a huge England fan but I went to P.E in 2010 World Cup and when subbed he gave the V to the England fans. He's thick, he's Scouse, he doesn't play for City. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Charlie0016 said: What exactly did he achieve for England apart from personal accolades ? Absolutely nothing What has any England player achieved for England since 1966 apart from personal accolades? Just how many tournaments was Rooney actually fully fit for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Rich Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 I think Rooney is an odd case. I think he was always a great player and one of the best we have ever had - its just that despite getting to a very high level, he still never quite lived up to what he looked like he could be. The way he burst on the scene at Everton, Euro 2004 and the very start of his Man U career he looked like he might get to the level of a Ronaldo or a Messi. I think for me and a lot of people there is a weird gap in what It looked like he could become and where he ended up. Euro 2004 (before he got injured) he was only 17 and at times looked like he might win the tournament for us single handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 Hopefully he’ll repeatedly drop deep and chip a ball to their right winger when he has yards of space in front of him, forcing the winger to stop and trap the ball, rather than receive the ball to feet and have the opportunity to attack down our left - used to call this a Rooney special when he played for England A great goal scorer yet also incredibly frustrating to watch at times for England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 It's worth pointing out, Rooney has 53 goals from 120 games. Henry, widely considered the greatest ever Premier League striker had a record of 51 goals in 123 games, you would imagine that France had very similar fixtures to our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 5 hours ago, BCFC Richard said: I think Rooney is an odd case. I think he was always a great player and one of the best we have ever had - its just that despite getting to a very high level, he still never quite lived up to what he looked like he could be. The way he burst on the scene at Everton, Euro 2004 and the very start of his Man U career he looked like he might get to the level of a Ronaldo or a Messi. I think for me and a lot of people there is a weird gap in what It looked like he could become and where he ended up. Euro 2004 (before he got injured) he was only 17 and at times looked like he might win the tournament for us single handed. Alex Ferguson is one of the greatest managers but I never liked how he turned Rooney into a player that played deeper. Its possibly helped to prolong his career but I'd rather they would have developed him as an out and out striker. It's like he had his natural game coached out of him and we saw him play more restrained and within himself. It only seems like yesterday that he smashed a hat trick on his debut in the Champions League against Fenerbahce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 6, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Up The City! said: It's worth pointing out, Rooney has 53 goals from 120 games. Henry, widely considered the greatest ever Premier League striker had a record of 51 goals in 123 games, you would imagine that France had very similar fixtures to our own. Good bit of copy and paste there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 He was obviously a very good player. And I'm grateful for his good work in an England shirt. But it's not like we're being blessed with the presence of CR7 or Ronaldinho. I certainly won't feel star struck and will treat him like any other opposition player. Hope he has an absolute stinker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Up The City! said: Alex Ferguson is one of the greatest managers but I never liked how he turned Rooney into a player that played deeper. Its possibly helped to prolong his career but I'd rather they would have developed him as an out and out striker. It's like he had his natural game coached out of him and we saw him play more restrained and within himself. It only seems like yesterday that he smashed a hat trick on his debut in the Champions League against Fenerbahce. Mother nature took away Wayne Rooney's pace. At the Euro championships in Portugal as a teen he would outpace players. He was running speeds up to 21mph. That is not extreme, but it is pacy . As he matured he slowed. Alex Ferguson playing him deeper made sense and it could utilise his range of passing. By the end he was clearly lacking fitness and mobility, and possibly commitment/motivation in a failing frame that would not meet the possibilities of his technical ability. At DC Utd he enjoyed a renaissance in a lower standard of MLS football playing as a withdrawn (9/10 sort of) forward with pacy players working off him. In regards to reception players I work with and coach are being given time off training to instead watch and study a player who at times was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 13 hours ago, Charlie0016 said: What exactly did he achieve for England apart from personal accolades ? Absolutely nothing England have become a better side since he's retired, and achieved more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie0016 Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: England have become a better side since he's retired, and achieved more. Exactly my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Cowshed said: Mother nature took away Wayne Rooney's pace. At the Euro championships in Portugal as a teen he would outpace players. He was running speeds up to 21mph. That is not extreme, but it is pacy . As he matured he slowed. Alex Ferguson playing him deeper made sense and it could utilise his range of passing. By the end he was clearly lacking fitness and mobility, and possibly commitment/motivation in a failing frame that would not meet the possibilities of his technical ability. At DC Utd he enjoyed a renaissance in a lower standard of MLS football playing as a withdrawn (9/10 sort of) forward with pacy players working off him. In regards to reception players I work with and coach are being given time off training to instead watch and study a player who at times was great. Just imagine if he had had the training ethic of Cristiano Ronaldo and not Ricky Hatton. No question he had bucket-loads of ability, but despite all he did achieve, I can't help but think there should have been more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderCraig Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 05/02/2020 at 10:14, Phileas Fogg said: I doubt he'll get much of a reception really, no history with our club. Probably get slightly louder jeers if he makes a mistake given his profile but that's about it. I think he was a brilliant player, seemed to peak far too early though. Sounds like my ex-wife's description of me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, One Team In Keynsham said: Just imagine if he had had the training ethic of Cristiano Ronaldo and not Ricky Hatton. No question he had bucket-loads of ability, but despite all he did achieve, I can't help but think there should have been more. It is an unfair comparison as Wayne Rooney's body shape is different. Rooney inherited a shape that does not stop people playing but in later years can be problematic in football. How do you get bucket loads of ability? Work. Wayne Rooney is super skilled and that only comes from having a very high work ethic. Wayne Rooney is a super achiever. He is not topically Ravel Morrison. His football at times in America was still remarkable scoring brilliant free kicks, goals from his own half and a assist that was maybe unique. Now he is trying and having success in yet another role pinging Scholes like balls around the pitch .. We can feel he could/should have done more or admire what he did and continues to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 05/02/2020 at 12:10, CyderInACan said: Wayne Rooney can get in the sea quite frankly after his performance at the World Cup in SA in 2010. He was never that good anyway. He was never that good? What?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Cowshed said: It is an unfair comparison as Wayne Rooney's body shape is different. Rooney inherited a shape that does not stop people playing but in later years can be problematic in football. How do you get bucket loads of ability? Work. Wayne Rooney is super skilled and that only comes from having a very high work ethic. Wayne Rooney is a super achiever. He is not topically Ravel Morrison. His football at times in America was still remarkable scoring brilliant free kicks, goals from his own half and a assist that was maybe unique. Now he is trying and having success in yet another role pinging Scholes like balls around the pitch .. We can feel he could/should have done more or admire what he did and continues to. I purposely didn't compare physiques between him and Ronaldo, rather the dedication to physical training. I agree that there are huge differences between the 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted February 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said: I purposely didn't compare physiques between him and Ronaldo, rather the dedication to physical training. I agree that there are huge differences between the 2. Ronaldo is an absolute freak of nature tho. He is absolutely obsessed by achieving success. Doesn't he sleep for like a hour and a half in the foetal position in a pod with fresh bedding for a few times a day? Think he has a stick diet of something like Chicken and avocado which he also eats a few times a day. All that is done to achieve optimum performance. I doubt very few footballers have ever gone to those extremes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted February 6, 2020 Report Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, One Team In Keynsham said: I purposely didn't compare physiques between him and Ronaldo, rather the dedication to physical training. I agree that there are huge differences between the 2. And look at the base they started with. All the worlds physical training would not turn Rooney into what Ronaldo became. Rooney's physique, advantage or disadvantage? You run. How many top class runners look like Rooney in long or medium distances? Sprints? Despite his physique he has still excelled. In his sport he is a % of a % yet viewed on this thread as a failure. Maybe with an alien like focus he could have achieved even more. It is a harsh view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 He's after your gran! He's after your gran! He's wayne rooney, he's after your gran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never to the dark side Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 I hope we all don't, he made me very happy back in Portugal,way back in 2004 Thats the year not the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 I hope we boo all of them, really create a hostile atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 Why would he be ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatchers Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 He plays for Derby, our opponents, he's trying to beat us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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