And Its Smith Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 No doubt this will be reduced to one year on appeal. Probably means Pep leaves in the summer. I’m torn on FFP at the top level. Why is it okay for teams like Chelsea to build their base but then clubs that decide to do it a little later get punished? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 I'll wait until the results of any appeal before I start getting excited at UEFA doing something positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, RedDave said: No doubt this will be reduced to one year on appeal. Probably means Pep leaves in the summer. I’m torn on FFP at the top level. Why is it okay for teams like Chelsea to build their base but then clubs that decide to do it a little later get punished? For the teams in the premier league the simple answer is Leicester. The top clubs got together and said we can't have that happening again. Hence how Ffp is structured in the Prem pretty much guarantees it wont happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Probably the end of an era for them even if reduced on appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said: For the teams in the premier league the simple answer is Leicester. The top clubs got together and said we can't have that happening again. Hence how Ffp is structured in the Prem pretty much guarantees it wont happen again. What, like how all clubs have agreed to lose to Liverpool, to stop Leicester doing again this season..?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Fair play to UEFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 That is huge! No doubt will be appealed and reduced but that would have a devastating impact on Man City. Lets see if UEFA take the same action against the likes of PSG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 So, without knowing the details of the rules... how can they possibly have broken European FFP but NOT premier League FFP..? Surely they must be on a par, if not more limited at PL level..? In which case, when will they be docked points in the PL..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Massive ruling. Ballsy, and exactly what was needed as they were starting to look ridiculous fining clubs a pittance and achieving sweet f all. This is now an actual deterrent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: So, without knowing the details of the rules... how can they possibly have broken European FFP but NOT premier League FFP..? Surely they must be on a par, if not more limited at PL level..? In which case, when will they be docked points in the PL..? Premier League FFP more relaxed. It is weird though as Championship is quite strict. Leeds needed a striker in Jan but couldn’t sign one other than on loan as knew it would push them past the FFP threshold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 14, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: That is huge! No doubt will be appealed and reduced but that would have a devastating impact on Man City. Lets see if UEFA take the same action against the likes of PSG! Did PSG get punished? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, RedDave said: Premier League FFP more relaxed. It is weird though as Championship is quite strict. Leeds needed a striker in Jan but couldn’t sign one other than on loan as knew it would push them past the FFP threshold. Ok, but surely PL rules must fall within UEFA rules..?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherDerbyFan Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: So, without knowing the details of the rules... how can they possibly have broken European FFP but NOT premier League FFP..? Surely they must be on a par, if not more limited at PL level..? In which case, when will they be docked points in the PL..? £35m per year in the Prem. €30m (£25m) per accounting period (3 years) in UEFA competitions. I believe Man City’s issue is the source of their income. It seems their owners ‘influenced’ associated companies to sponsor them, boosting revenue, and meeting the limit. 1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said: Ok, but surely PL rules must fall within UEFA rules..?! The PL isn’t a UEFA competition so UEFA rules have nothing to do with the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: So, without knowing the details of the rules... how can they possibly have broken European FFP but NOT premier League FFP..? Surely they must be on a par, if not more limited at PL level..? In which case, when will they be docked points in the PL..? Probably this season, when it means bugger all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 The absolute irony if Man City now win the Champions League.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Man City doing a brexit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, AnotherDerbyFan said: £35m per year in the Prem. €30m (£25m) per accounting period (3 years) in UEFA competitions. I believe Man City’s issue is the source of their income. It seems their owners ‘influenced’ associated companies to sponsor them, boosting revenue, and meeting the limit. The PL isn’t a UEFA competition so UEFA rules have nothing to do with the PL Read about it a bit, not 100% sure, but believe it is the source of the income, not the amount as such. FFP for UEFA seems to cap the amount the owners can put in. The leaked emails suggest of the £60m or whatever sponsorship from Etihad only £8m was coming from the company and the balance from the owner, and was being used by the owner as a way of hiding his contribution. Not entirely sure that one should be against the rules and one not, arguably income is income, but that seems to be the basis of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, phantom said: Did PSG get punished? Not heard anything recently but thought they were under investigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 So as it stands Sheffield United are in the last CL spot?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: So, without knowing the details of the rules... how can they possibly have broken European FFP but NOT premier League FFP..? Surely they must be on a par, if not more limited at PL level..? In which case, when will they be docked points in the PL..? PL FFP is very generous tbh. 30m euros over 3 years the UEFA limit, whereas in PL it's £105m. The UEFA deductions maybe a bit more than the PL but it's very hard to fail FFP in the PL. They're fine now, this is for historic breaches. UEFA though, well done- well done indeed!! PSG next please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 45 minutes ago, RedDave said: No doubt this will be reduced to one year on appeal. Probably means Pep leaves in the summer. I’m torn on FFP at the top level. Why is it okay for teams like Chelsea to build their base but then clubs that decide to do it a little later get punished? To be fair to pep he will probably stay at Man City to try and stop the Liverpool juggernaut over the next few seasons,who I’m I trying to kid he will be offski to spend another boatload of money somewhere else where he can try and win the champions league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, TomF said: So as it stands Sheffield United are in the last CL spot?! I doubt it will work like that. More likely an extra place will go into the qualifiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, RedDave said: I doubt it will work like that. More likely an extra place will go into the qualifiers Nope as it stands Luke Freeman could be playing UCL footy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, RedDave said: I doubt it will work like that. More likely an extra place will go into the qualifiers Top 4 qualify automatically now... Freeman in the CL, surely not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoSheds Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Man United finish 5th take man city's place. This is what happens when the Arabs take over a club and throw endless amounts of money around. Every time you fill up with petrol you fund man City. This has to be good news for all well run clubs like ours. Maybe this is why wally wont fund the sags at the minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Gazred said: Probably the end of an era for them even if reduced on appeal. Hardly. Their money will still talk and attract top players. May affect whether Pep wants to stay though as he's smashed through domestic trophies. Only Europe left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Top 4 qualify automatically now... Freeman in the CL, surely not! But if Man City are banned it won’t mean fifth place goes into champions league I doubt. Would expect extra place to be given for all the teams like Celtic, who go through qualifiers, to fight over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 minute ago, RedDave said: But if Man City are banned it won’t mean fifth place goes into champions league I doubt. Would expect extra place to be given for all the teams like Celtic, who go through qualifiers, to fight over Don't think so as the number of places are given out based on your teams performance in previous years, so England has 4 places, how they are decided would be up to the PL and FA, only time UEFA would get involved would be in a situation that would give us a situation where we had 6 teams, if someone wins the CL, but doesn't finish top 4 and an English team with the EL and don't finish top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, RedDave said: But if Man City are banned it won’t mean fifth place goes into champions league I doubt. Would expect extra place to be given for all the teams like Celtic, who go through qualifiers, to fight over UEFA rule 4.08 states: "A club which is not admitted to the competition is replaced by the next best-placed club in the top domestic championship of the same association, provided the new club fulfils the admission criteria. In this case, the access list (see Annex A) is adjusted accordingly." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_exile Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Given that they've utterly taken the mickey for 12 years, the punishment feels extraordinarily light, even more so when you consider the likelihood of this punishment being reduced even further on appeal. A fry cry from the days when many neutrals liked them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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