AshtonRobin21 Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 LJ had his hands tied today due to injuries. However Massengo looks miles off the pace in terms of his awareness to the game. The lad has bags of potential but today showed he still has a lot of developing to do. With Smith injured and Nagy seemingly still not right after his initial injury we look very light in the middle of the pitch. A lot of fans were calling for Morrell or Walsh to be recalled. There’s two sides to the arguement squad fillers/development. When considering our position in the league I feel we should have recalled one of them to cover. If Henriksen gets injured it leaves us with Massengo and Rowe as natural central midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said: LJ had his hands tied today due to injuries. However Massengo looks miles off the pace in terms of his awareness to the game. The lad has bags of potential but today showed he still has a lot of developing to do. With Smith injured and Nagy seemingly still not right after his initial injury we look very light in the middle of the pitch. A lot of fans were calling for Morrell or Walsh to be recalled. There’s two sides to the arguement squad fillers/development. When considering our position in the league I feel we should have recalled one of them to cover. If Henriksen gets injured it leaves us with Massengo and Rowe as natural central midfielders. The head coach was a weak, average midfielder.... ....hardly rocket science how things have turned out mate Doesn't matter how many players we turn over....nowt changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 We had Ashley Williams playing there in the last ten. Kinda says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: The head coach was a weak, average midfielder.... ....hardly rocket science how things have turned out mate Doesn't matter how many players we turn over....nowt changes No it isn't. Your opinion on Johnson as a player is irrelevant and has no impact on his ability as a manager. Midfield were poor today, think Massengo needs to play in a midfield 3. Henriksen still getting match fitness. Hands tied due to injury admittedly but a very poor performance. Fully expected a loss today though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Korey was clearly missed today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: No it isn't. Your opinion on Johnson as a player is irrelevant and has no impact on his ability as a manager. Midfield were poor today though, think Massengo needs to play in a midfield 3. Henriksen still getting match fitness. Hands tied due to injury admittedly but a very poor performance. Fully expected a loss today though. The fact we have been lightweight in midfield for the last 4 years....with no sign of things changing....I have to disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: The fact we have been lightweight in midfield for the last 4 years....with no sign of things changing....I have to disagree It's been proven many times over that playing achievements of managers don't really matter - who's Liverpool's manager? Remind me of his glorious playing career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCinNW6 Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 HNM needs to play in the under 23s. He’s too slow and weak for men’s football. His main contribution is milking free kicks and giving the ball away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It's been proven many times over that playing achievements of managers don't really matter - who's Liverpool's manager? Remind me of his glorious playing career. I'm not saying it's always the case. Just saying in my opinion it does in this case Performances over the last 48 months kind of back it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said: LJ had his hands tied today due to injuries. However Massengo looks miles off the pace in terms of his awareness to the game. The lad has bags of potential but today showed he still has a lot of developing to do. With Smith injured and Nagy seemingly still not right after his initial injury we look very light in the middle of the pitch. A lot of fans were calling for Morrell or Walsh to be recalled. There’s two sides to the arguement squad fillers/development. When considering our position in the league I feel we should have recalled one of them to cover. If Henriksen gets injured it leaves us with Massengo and Rowe as natural central midfielders. I was really surprised we didn’t start with 5 in midfield once I saw that Kalas was in at RB. Either a 4141 with Henriksen sitting, or 4411 with Pato link between midfield and Wells. We got over-ran. We all know Ayling is full of energy, and I thought we might go with Weimann in front of Dasilva, but with Pato stopping him when he drives inside. At least set up solid for 15-20, turn them around, make them start from the keeper with us in shape. I had no problems with the eleven who started with Smith struggling and Fam ill...just thought we allowed ourselves to be open early on, Leeds flew out the traps and the scene had been set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megansdad Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 always a mistake to come on here after a defeat. We remain 3 points off 3rd and 6 points off second. Clearly missed Famara today and Smith. HNM was caught in possession a few times but also covered an ebormous amount of ground and made some very handy interceptions. It seemed there was a lack of movement further forward on a few occasions as Baker also played JD into trouble a couple of times. Still all to play for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, BCFCinNW6 said: HNM needs to play in the under 23s. He’s too slow and weak for men’s football. His main contribution is milking free kicks and giving the ball away. Plenty of our players looked soft today. I get what you’re saying though, but he wasn’t the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Dare I say it we miss Liam Walsh. Someone who can get on the ball and dictate play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Has City passing got so bad now they need a light to find each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Lez said: Dare I say it we miss Liam Walsh. Someone who can get on the ball and dictate play. Until we see him in a game like that, we won’t know. Leeds relentless, a tough type of game to come in, get on the ball with your head up and play like he has for Cov in a lower division. But, will be ever see him get the chance. Think he’ll be gone in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Until we see him in a game like that, we won’t know. Leeds relentless, a tough type of game to come in, get on the ball with your head up and play like he has for Cov in a lower division. But, will be ever see him get the chance. Think he’ll be gone in the summer. I dont think you just throw him in like that he would need time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Lez said: I dont think you just throw him in like that he would need time. Yeah, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: I'm not saying it's always the case. Just saying in my opinion it does in this case Performances over the last 48 months kind of back it up Fair enough if that's what you think - I think it's a misnomer and irrelevant. We disagree on that but no problem. We both agree midfield is an issue though, we need Henriksen match fit and Massengo didn't work today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Fair enough if that's what you think - I think it's a misnomer and irrelevant. We disagree on that but no problem. We both agree midfield is an issue though, we need Henriksen match fit and Massengo didn't work today. Up until the loan of Henriksen , We’ve recruited footballing midfielders with physicality flaws At the same time we’ve increasingly become a non ‘footballing’ side who concede possession Muddled thinking to to say the least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 As bizarre as it may be, against Leeds I would of gone with Benkovic in the middle with either him or Williams in defensive midfield. I like HNM but I don’t think this was going to be an easy game for him. I believe that he will go onto be a good signing for us, but this one was going to be difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewquayRed Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Calling a Welsh international back from Loan was surely a no brainier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 Even if we out more players in midfield, I can't see any way for us to have won that game, as possession based football goes we're very average, and we certainly don't have an Iniesta or Pirlo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomerRed Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 I dare say this has been covered on other threads, but can we actually recall either Walsh or Morrell outside a transfer window? I thought season long loans were set in stone at this point, no? Sorry if I'm being dim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 22 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Up until the loan of Henriksen , We’ve recruited footballing midfielders with physicality flaws At the same time we’ve increasingly become a non ‘footballing’ side who concede possession Muddled thinking to to say the least I just think it's reaching for something tenuous to criticise Johnson for. I don't and never will think his playing career has any relevance when discussing him as a manager. I'd say that for anyone. The only exceptions are a top player who becomes a manager (Lampard/Gerrard/Zidane) who would probably have been the best players in their squad who may be able to command more authority and respect among their players.. but even then it's dependent on other factors. Still think it's a misnomer. If people disagree then ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, HomerRed said: I dare say this has been covered on other threads, but can we actually recall either Walsh or Morrell outside a transfer window? I thought season long loans were set in stone at this point, no? Sorry if I'm being dim No we cant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I just think it's reaching for something tenuous to criticise Johnson for. I don't and never will think his playing career has any relevance when discussing him as a manager. I'd say that for anyone. The only exceptions are a top player who becomes a manager (Lampard/Gerrard/Zidane) who would probably have been the best players in their squad who may be able to command more authority and respect among their players.. but even then it's dependent on other factors. Still think it's a misnomer. If people disagree then ok. They command authority until players see through any managerial weaknesses they have. If they’re good, they’ll retain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 56 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Korey was clearly missed today. He wouldn’t have made much of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I just think it's reaching for something tenuous to criticise Johnson for. I don't and never will think his playing career has any relevance when discussing him as a manager. I'd say that for anyone. The only exceptions are a top player who becomes a manager (Lampard/Gerrard/Zidane) who would probably have been the best players in their squad who may be able to command more authority and respect among their players.. but even then it's dependent on other factors. Still think it's a misnomer. If people disagree then ok. I never mentioned anything about his playing career I merely made a point about recruitment / playing plan and a sign , and not the first of a lack of clarity / joined up thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whale Eye Beef Hooked Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 56 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: I'm not saying it's always the case. Just saying in my opinion it does in this case Performances over the last 48 months kind of back it up You don’t finish in the top 10 of one of the toughest leagues with a weak midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 15, 2020 Report Share Posted February 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I just think it's reaching for something tenuous to criticise Johnson for. I don't and never will think his playing career has any relevance when discussing him as a manager. I'd say that for anyone. The only exceptions are a top player who becomes a manager (Lampard/Gerrard/Zidane) who would probably have been the best players in their squad who may be able to command more authority and respect among their players.. but even then it's dependent on other factors. Still think it's a misnomer. If people disagree then ok. I agree, and would also add that players like Lampard etc have the contacts and the draw for players to come and play for them. That has to be one foot in the door that we don't have (I'm not talking about Chelsea, but Lampard at Derby, Terry at Championship Villa etc}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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