nickolas Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: No they aren't? The only one I can think of who's around that height is Liam Walsh. HNM, Nagy, Henriksen, Smith (our primary CMs) are all taller than that by some margin. A very lazy thing to say. C = circa. Theyre all small. Theyre all slight. Theyre all lacking physical strength. Adding Henriksen into the mix is finally LJ realising he needs some strength and height. nothing lazy about it. Our head coach has just started to learn his lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 15/02/2020 at 17:16, Phileas Fogg said: No it isn't. Your opinion on Johnson as a player is irrelevant and has no impact on his ability as a manager. Midfield were poor today, think Massengo needs to play in a midfield 3. Henriksen still getting match fitness. Hands tied due to injury admittedly but a very poor performance. Fully expected a loss today though. Think most of our CMs need to play in a midfield 3! They really do...we have a strong sqad but still there are better resourced clubs. Massengo Nagy Weimann/Paterson? Henriksen Eliasson Wells Henriksen can drop back into a 3 there, and help us with a 4-3-3 in certain phases. Playing Paterson as one of the 3 in and around central areas, leaves us too much to do IMO! It's a wonky layout but it's a loose 4-2-3-1 that shifts into a 4-3-3 and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 6 hours ago, nickolas said: C = circa. Theyre all small. Theyre all slight. Theyre all lacking physical strength. Adding Henriksen into the mix is finally LJ realising he needs some strength and height. nothing lazy about it. Our head coach has just started to learn his lesson. Height of Leeds, Brentford, Fulham, WBA midfielders? Red. Herring. Slightly. That said Henkriksen may well improve us and balance in turn should improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 It boils my piss how often we have been bossed in the middle of the park and continue to play 2 in CM. FFS play 3 in a 433. We are lightweight in midfield as we are often over run. Play 3 in the middle and 3 up top and I’m convinced we would play better. I cant ever remember LJ playing 3 in the middle of the park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 15/02/2020 at 17:16, Phileas Fogg said: No it isn't. Your opinion on Johnson as a player is irrelevant and has no impact on his ability as a manager. Midfield were poor today, think Massengo needs to play in a midfield 3. Henriksen still getting match fitness. Hands tied due to injury admittedly but a very poor performance. Fully expected a loss today though. I think both Nagy and Massengo need to get heavily into the gym this summer. Remember when Reid did this. He was so much stronger and more confident The championship is still a physical league unlike most of Europe. If these guys wnat to compete they have to get stronger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red white and red Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 23 hours ago, RedDave said: 100% light? We need to double our heaviness then just to be normal?! Yeah well done mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 16 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said: It boils my piss how often we have been bossed in the middle of the park and continue to play 2 in CM. FFS play 3 in a 433. We are lightweight in midfield as we are often over run. Play 3 in the middle and 3 up top and I’m convinced we would play better. I cant ever remember LJ playing 3 in the middle of the park This, very much this! I don't include Paterson, Palmer or O'Dowda as suited to being one of the 3. He has a real blindspot...I seem to recall we went 4-3-3 vs Stoke at home 2nd half last season and were very good! Butland had a great game, we hit woodwork twice, once in each half...granted they were a goal up and adjusted accordingly, plus Rowett is good at defending a lead but that 2nd half we had chances as in the first but control wise with 3 genuine CMs, we looked so much better- game before 2nd half at home to Hull, I think we made a similar switch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 15/02/2020 at 17:12, Andy082005 said: The head coach was a weak, average midfielder.... ....hardly rocket science how things have turned out mate Doesn't matter how many players we turn over....nowt changes A good percentage of successful managers were average players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 38 minutes ago, BigTone said: A good percentage of successful managers were average players That reminds me of the famous Arrigo Sacchi quote.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrigo_Sacchi Sacchi was never a professional football player (he had played as a part-time footballer in amateur clubs for some years) and for many years worked as a shoe salesman. This led to his famous quote directed at those who questioned his qualifications: "I never realised that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: That reminds me of the famous Arrigo Sacchi quote.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrigo_Sacchi Sacchi was never a professional football player (he had played as a part-time footballer in amateur clubs for some years) and for many years worked as a shoe salesman. This led to his famous quote directed at those who questioned his qualifications: "I never realised that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first." Nay lad, nay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Can't believe people would even consider dropping an in-form Famara just to wedge in a woefully out of sorts Massengo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: This, very much this! I don't include Paterson, Palmer or O'Dowda as suited to being one of the 3. He has a real blindspot...I seem to recall we went 4-3-3 vs Stoke at home 2nd half last season and were very good! Butland had a great game, we hit woodwork twice, once in each half...granted they were a goal up and adjusted accordingly, plus Rowett is good at defending a lead but that 2nd half we had chances as in the first but control wise with 3 genuine CMs, we looked so much better- game before 2nd half at home to Hull, I think we made a similar switch? Yeah i wouldnt include Pato, Palmer or COD in the middle 3. Id have 3 out Korey / Massengo / Henrikson / Nagy in CM and 3 up front. Wells, Weimann + one from Fam / Pato / COD / Eliasson, depending on game. In that Stoke game i remember Walsh had a good game playing in a 3. Id like to at least see it as most of the time we are completely bossed in Midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 20 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Height of Leeds, Brentford, Fulham, WBA midfielders? Red. Herring. Slightly. That said Henkriksen may well improve us and balance in turn should improve. Not just about height. Physical strength as mentioned already. We get bullied on lots of occasions due to poor recruitment of the correct size of player. Its great to have busy bees but some back up of muscle also a clear requirement in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 22 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said: It boils my piss how often we have been bossed in the middle of the park and continue to play 2 in CM. FFS play 3 in a 433. We are lightweight in midfield as we are often over run. Play 3 in the middle and 3 up top and I’m convinced we would play better. I cant ever remember LJ playing 3 in the middle of the park I don’t believe he ever has played a flat 3 with a back 4. He has done it with a back 3/5. 3 hours ago, marcofisher said: Can't believe people would even consider dropping an in-form Famara just to wedge in a woefully out of sorts Massengo! If I felt it was the answer to ensuring we got better results, then yes. I would do that with any player if I felt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 37 minutes ago, Davefevs said: If I felt it was the answer to ensuring we got better results, then yes. I would do that with any player if I felt that. If that were ever going to be a plan we should have recalled one of Walsh or Morrell, who would have likely been far more effective. Right now I couldn’t see it producing any better results, and would only nullify the little attacking threat we currently possess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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