Super Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, RedDave said: Maybe. You are probably correct. Another question. Do people like Piers Morgan and Dan Wooton send their crocodile tear tweets with or without a sense of irony?! No doubt the CPS will get the blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Super said: No doubt the CPS will get the blame. Already are from some weirdos on twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 CPS work on whether there’s sufficient evidence to charge. There was. They charged. Terrible that she felt the need to do what she did, but the CPS aren’t to blame. They have to protect victims of domestic violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Super said: No doubt the CPS will get the blame. The boyfriend too. 1 hour ago, walnutroof said: There’s been an awful lot of crocodile tears shed since this broke yesterday, the same people quick to blame the media were the same people taking an interest in the story and were on twitter calling for her to be jailed. I don’t buy people saying the media have blood on their hands as the story had actually gone quiet and life had moved on. There’s a lot of hypocrites on social media at the moment all trying to make themselves feel better for the part they played and some not just the tabloids should be taking a long hard look at themselves and their actions Yep. The two best-selling newspapers/most popular websites in the country are The Sun and the Mail. Those members of the Great British Public who are whining today need to have a look at their own behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 @Fordy62 absolutely right , the CPS are there to independently review the evidence and decide if a charge can be brought, regardless of who the individual is or what they’re alleged to have done. The media comments and the way the press harass people in this country is horrendous. However, we now live in a gossip state, where reality tv is the norm, gossip magazines are popular and we have keyboard warriors making their own vicious views based on what they read. The press in this country have a lot to answer to, but if we as a nation embrace it , whose at fault ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Northern Red said: The boyfriend too. Yep. The two best-selling newspapers/most popular websites in the country are The Sun and the Mail. Those members of the Great British Public who are whining today need to have a look at their own behaviour. Who buys newspapers nowadays anyway? I haven’t bought one since 2011. Don’t know why people bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted February 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 11 hours ago, Harry said: Who buys newspapers nowadays anyway? I haven’t bought one since 2011. Don’t know why people bother. Quite. In the era of instant news, reaction & opinion the stuff in the paper press is days old before it's printed practically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, CyderInACan said: Quite. In the era of instant news, reaction & opinion the stuff in the paper press is days old before it's printed practically. The sun’s physical copy sales has absolutely plummeted in recent years. They make money purely from online articles and adverts. If everyone stopped clicking on those and the same for the Daily Fail they’d be gone in 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted February 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, TomF said: The sun’s physical copy sales has absolutely plummeted in recent years. They make money purely from online articles and adverts. If everyone stopped clicking on those and the same for the Daily Fail they’d be gone in 12 months. I'd imagine that's the model for all "papers", surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, CyderInACan said: I'd imagine that's the model for all "papers", surely? Indeed it probably is. I don’t think I’ve ever clicked on a link to the sun or mail either. I find it baffling how people are so interested in the lives of these so called celebrities. I honestly couldn’t give a hoot what Rachelle is wearing today, why Georgia and Freddy have split up, where Jayden has gone on holiday etc. Who actually really gives a ****. It’s a load of nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Let’s be honest, people at The Sun are happy when celebrities such as Caroline Flack die. Plenty of traffic and column inches filled for days on end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-mat Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Mike Parry (Murdoch paid) now battering Cipriani (close friend of Flack). Leveson 2 so needed in this country. The lack of regulation leads to this toxicity. They've got off Scot free for so long, a stain on us all that we've let it happen without comment. But we get angry as F about benefits and immigrants... Worlds gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, J-mat said: Mike Parry (Murdoch paid) now battering Cipriani (close friend of Flack). Leveson 2 so needed in this country. The lack of regulation leads to this toxicity. They've got off Scot free for so long, a stain on us all that we've let it happen without comment. But we get angry as F about benefits and immigrants... Worlds gone. Unfortunately the current government are too close to most of the MSN owners that they won’t change anything. The only way it really changes is if the people stop reading these shit rags online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Or if a party that isn't in bed with them somehow wins. Leveson is desperately needed, the fact that **** all happened shows how much power the media have over our politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-mat Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 14 hours ago, J-mat said: Mike Parry (Murdoch paid) now battering Cipriani (close friend of Flack). Leveson 2 so needed in this country. The lack of regulation leads to this toxicity. They've got off Scot free for so long, a stain on us all that we've let it happen without comment. But we get angry as F about benefits and immigrants... Worlds gone. I have no idea where Mike Parry has come from, but it was Alan Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 On 16/02/2020 at 08:41, RedM said: In response to you emoji (!), I want to be clear that she obviously had problems and no contact means no contact, so why did he ‘push her buttons’ and put a Valentines Greeting, after all it’s about love, out there? OK he almost certainly didn’t know what she would go on to do, but he also has to live with that now. I was unsure who you were aiming your insult at to be fair. Think it's a bit harsh to put blame on him, no one knows the full story or situation and he has been supportive of her the whole way through. I don't think he (intended to) "push her buttons" in this action, I think he was a man that was really hurting (even more so now) that he couldn't see his partner and if anything, being allowed to see each other probably could have saved her life - but I'm happy to accept that is pure speculation from what I've seen and read from various sources. My understanding (which could well be wrong) is they had a big argument and some kind of "bust up" which led to a fight and/or actions which left a lot of blood at the scene (a mixture of both). There must have been something substantial to it for CPS to push for a trial, but as I said he has stood by her all the way through and didn't want to press charges further - that could be misguided loyalty or it could be because the whole thing was blown hugely out of proportion. I don't blame the CPS for this though, if they felt they had grounds to take it to trial then they absolutely should. The laws changed for domestic abuse because so often the victims were too scared to proceed and many abusers got away with their actions. She should have been allowed a fair trial though, rather than trial by social media. It's all a very sad state of affairs, I just hope all the people that are up in arms at the way the media have treated her keep up their protests and dont forget about it all in a week or so. It's about time these journalists and news sources were held to account for the way they hound people - but then again people still seem to love Piers Morgan and Katie Hopkins so I dont hold out much hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 On 16/02/2020 at 10:02, RedDave said: If a male celebrity was standing trial for attempted murder and killed himself pre trial would he get lots of sympathy? Attempted murder? Firstly, it was assault. Secondly, BOTH parties deny the charges. Thirdly, look how much "sympathy" Ched Evans got from a lot of people for an arguably more sinister crime even after being found guilty. Had he taken his own life pre-trial, yes I expect he would have had a lot of sympathy (especially considering innocent til proven guilty) so if you're trying to make some assumption that she's only receiving sympathy for being a woman, I think you're talking nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Shocking number of people on facebook sharing "be kind" memes and "Caroline's Law" petitions who were last week sharing tabloid shitrag stories about Philip Schofield. We have the media we deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 18, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 44 minutes ago, Nibor said: Shocking number of people on facebook sharing "be kind" memes and "Caroline's Law" petitions who were last week sharing tabloid shitrag stories about Philip Schofield. We have the media we deserve. True, but at least it is raising the issue and if it saves the life of one person these facebook shares will be worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 51 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Attempted murder? Firstly, it was assault. Secondly, BOTH parties deny the charges. Thirdly, look how much "sympathy" Ched Evans got from a lot of people for an arguably more sinister crime even after being found guilty. Had he taken his own life pre-trial, yes I expect he would have had a lot of sympathy (especially considering innocent til proven guilty) so if you're trying to make some assumption that she's only receiving sympathy for being a woman, I think you're talking nonsense. I asked a question...pretty sure that’s allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 58 minutes ago, phantom said: True, but at least it is raising the issue and if it saves the life of one person these facebook shares will be worth it I'm not arguing against what they're sharing now, but what they were happy to be part of last week and the massive hypocrisy. I imagine many people on the "be kind" bandwagon will be back to reading muckraking stories already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, RedDave said: I asked a question...pretty sure that’s allowed Not saying it's not allowed, but you asked a question and twisted the parameters (from the original subject) presumably to fit an agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, MarcusX said: I was unsure who you were aiming your insult at to be fair. Think it's a bit harsh to put blame on him, no one knows the full story or situation and he has been supportive of her the whole way through. I don't think he (intended to) "push her buttons" in this action, I think he was a man that was really hurting (even more so now) that he couldn't see his partner and if anything, being allowed to see each other probably could have saved her life - but I'm happy to accept that is pure speculation from what I've seen and read from various sources. My understanding (which could well be wrong) is they had a big argument and some kind of "bust up" which led to a fight and/or actions which left a lot of blood at the scene (a mixture of both). There must have been something substantial to it for CPS to push for a trial, but as I said he has stood by her all the way through and didn't want to press charges further - that could be misguided loyalty or it could be because the whole thing was blown hugely out of proportion. I don't blame the CPS for this though, if they felt they had grounds to take it to trial then they absolutely should. The laws changed for domestic abuse because so often the victims were too scared to proceed and many abusers got away with their actions. She should have been allowed a fair trial though, rather than trial by social media. It's all a very sad state of affairs, I just hope all the people that are up in arms at the way the media have treated her keep up their protests and dont forget about it all in a week or so. It's about time these journalists and news sources were held to account for the way they hound people - but then again people still seem to love Piers Morgan and Katie Hopkins so I dont hold out much hope. I’m not sure where the insult is, to be fair. You do go on to make some valid points I would agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 57 minutes ago, Nibor said: I'm not arguing against what they're sharing now, but what they were happy to be part of last week and the massive hypocrisy. I imagine many people on the "be kind" bandwagon will be back to reading muckraking stories already. Completely agree, I did enjoy some of the twitter posts where people had been exposed for saying hurtful things about Flack or others only a few weeks ago and now telling everyone to be kind. Most are just virtue signalling and will forget within a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, RedM said: I’m not sure where the insult is, to be fair. You do go on to make some valid points I would agree I know you preceded it with "if true" but I assumed the word that was asterixed out wasn't a compliment. I just tried to stay open-minded on this one, particularly as she didn't get to face trial and give her account of events. It's terribly sad, and I feel sorry for the bloke too because whatever happened he clearly still loved her and wanted to stand by her and he now won't have that opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 I see the Sun are doing their best to blame the CPS.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted February 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, TomF said: I see the Sun are doing their best to blame the CPS.. Classic deflection. How that virtual-rag survives in beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, TomF said: I see the Sun are doing their best to blame the CPS.. The day the Sun goes the same way as NOTW will be a great day indeed. Would love to see Panorama do a muck raking documentary on some of the Suns journos private lives. Bet it would be an interesting watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, TomF said: I see the Sun are doing their best to blame the CPS.. I wonder why.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 16 hours ago, TomF said: Unfortunately the current government are too close to most of the MSN owners that they won’t change anything. The only way it really changes is if the people stop reading these shit rags online Stop reading them online or otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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