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MattWSM

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21 minutes ago, MattWSM said:

shame we couldn't give them the other 1200

Agree with that...I'm sure City fans wouldnt be happy to turn up at a ground and find over a 1000 empty  seats in a sold out away end.

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West Brom have always been good to us and I've always enjoyed going to the Hawthorns. Top ground and decent fans. I remember the cup game where they gave us the whole end, think we took about 5500 that day and they only charged us £10 a ticket, shame we couldn't open up the whole end for them.

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1 minute ago, Packman said:

West Brom have always been good to us and I've always enjoyed going to the Hawthorns. Top ground and decent fans. I remember the cup game where they gave us the whole end, think we took about 5500 that day and they only charged us £10 a ticket, shame we couldn't open up the whole end for them.

They had no choice but to to give us 15% for an F.A. Cup game.

We've been too generous with away allocations in the past, but all that stopped after the Swansea debacle.

I'm actually wondering why we've given WBA 3k instead of our usual 2.7k limit.

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10 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

They had no choice but to to give us 15% for an F.A. Cup game.

We've been too generous with away allocations in the past, but all that stopped after the Swansea debacle.

I'm actually wondering why we've given WBA 3k instead of our usual 2.7k limit.

I know this is something we've both banged on about for years, but I don't understand why you'd give the away support the marginal advantage of being behind a goal with a full end. They should be up in the gods somewhere with city fans behind both goals. Negligent that this wasn't factored into the redevelopment in my opinion.

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31 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

They had no choice but to to give us 15% for an F.A. Cup game.

We've been too generous with away allocations in the past, but all that stopped after the Swansea debacle.

I'm actually wondering why we've given WBA 3k instead of our usual 2.7k limit.

Was that the Swansea debacle that was about the best atmosphere we've had for a league game at the new ground and also a game we won?

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36 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I know this is something we've both banged on about for years, but I don't understand why you'd give the away support the marginal advantage of being behind a goal with a full end. They should be up in the gods somewhere with city fans behind both goals. Negligent that this wasn't factored into the redevelopment in my opinion.

Your right, it has been banged on about for years, but your also right, they should be up in the gods!

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32 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I know this is something we've both banged on about for years, but I don't understand why you'd give the away support the marginal advantage of being behind a goal with a full end. They should be up in the gods somewhere with city fans behind both goals. Negligent that this wasn't factored into the redevelopment in my opinion.

creates a good atmosphere. City on 3 sides and away team on 1.  bring back full allocation to away teams

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3 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said:

Stick um in the Lansdown. It is like a library in that stand.

Maybe that explains why they put their phone torches on - reading their books. Can’t blame them tbh (based on recent performances)

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43 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said:

Stick um in the Lansdown. It is like a library in that stand.

nice and peaceful, so you can sit back and watch the football, with a bovril

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1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

They had no choice but to to give us 15% for an F.A. Cup game.

We've been too generous with away allocations in the past, but all that stopped after the Swansea debacle.

I'm actually wondering why we've given WBA 3k instead of our usual 2.7k limit.

So 15% of 27000 is just over 4000, so therefore they gave us more than they had to which was very nice of them. Just because a few Swansea fans acted like bellends doesn't mean west Brom will and like someone else has said we won the Swansea game and the atmosphere was rocking, can't see the problem.

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On a side note, I have two family members that want to go Saturday as a season ticket holder can I buy the tickets at the cheaper price ? well I use the word cheaper loosely 😳

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1 hour ago, ralphindevon said:

Was that the Swansea debacle that was about the best atmosphere we've had for a league game at the new ground and also a game we won?

Couldn't agree more, and I'm sure players (ours included) would back that. I can't understand any fan who would prefer to watch football in a muted atmosphere than a packed house going hell for leather to back their sides. 

Further, I think historically the home fans at AG have always responded brilliantly well to a big away following and our players likewise. It adds a sense of occasion and a sense of buzz, unbelievable so many don't recognize that!

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10 minutes ago, weepywall said:

On a side note, I have two family members that want to go Saturday as a season ticket holder can I buy the tickets at the cheaper price ? well I use the word cheaper loosely 😳

No

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3 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

They had no choice but to to give us 15% for an F.A. Cup game.

We've been too generous with away allocations in the past, but all that stopped after the Swansea debacle.

I'm actually wondering why we've given WBA 3k instead of our usual 2.7k limit.

Said it before and I’ll say it again.

If a club sells out their allocation, we have more seats available in the stand, and our own fans don’t need them - give them the tickets. Other clubs should then apply the same principle to us in return.

That way, more football fans get to watch more football, atmospheres improve, and clubs make more money. And if it’s a reciprocal agreement then overall there is no advantage for anyone.

We’ve enjoyed some great away days with big followings, which many people wouldn’t have enjoyed had clubs applied the same restrictions to us, that many of here advocate to applying to fans visiting Ashton Gate.

I’d also argue that a large visiting support spurs on our own fans and creates a far greater sense of occasion - which benefits the home team just as much as the away. Case in point the Swansea game you mention.

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28 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Said it before and I’ll say it again.

If a club sells out their allocation, we have more seats available in the stand, and our own fans don’t need them - give them the tickets. Other clubs should then apply the same principle to us in return.

That way, more football fans get to watch more football, atmospheres improve, and clubs make more money. And if it’s a reciprocal agreement then overall there is no advantage for anyone.

We’ve enjoyed some great away days with big followings, which many people wouldn’t have enjoyed had clubs applied the same restrictions to us, that many of here advocate to applying to fans visiting Ashton Gate.

I’d also argue that a large visiting support spurs on our own fans and creates a far greater sense of occasion - which benefits the home team just as much as the away. Case in point the Swansea game you mention.

absolutely agree on every point. more fans the better

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17 hours ago, ralphindevon said:

Was that the Swansea debacle that was about the best atmosphere we've had for a league game at the new ground and also a game we won?

I was thinking of the Swansea game where there were so many away fans that police lost control and they surged en masse into the corner by home fans leading to fighting.

Outside the ground control was lost again as Swansea fans broke through a police cordon and ordinary fans, young and old, had to witness mass fighting in the park.

This was mostly down to numbers and there's no doubt afaic. that when we give these whole end 4k+ allocations more away fan non STHs and potential troublemakers get tickets.

Terrible publicity for BCFC as the media had a field day showing the trouble, and we've seen it so many times.

Why the obsession with filing the whole away end and in the process undoubtedly diluting home advantage?

Our usual maximum away allocation of 2.7k is large in itself and more than enough for the away fans to make a big racket and add to the atmosphere.

Thankfully this season, at last, the club seem to have seen sense and are not giving out excessive away allocations.

 

 

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14 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Said it before and I’ll say it again.

If a club sells out their allocation, we have more seats available in the stand, and our own fans don’t need them - give them the tickets. Other clubs should then apply the same principle to us in return.

That way, more football fans get to watch more football, atmospheres improve, and clubs make more money. And if it’s a reciprocal agreement then overall there is no advantage for anyone.

We’ve enjoyed some great away days with big followings, which many people wouldn’t have enjoyed had clubs applied the same restrictions to us, that many of here advocate to applying to fans visiting Ashton Gate.

I’d also argue that a large visiting support spurs on our own fans and creates a far greater sense of occasion - which benefits the home team just as much as the away. Case in point the Swansea game you mention.

You have, and I've disagreed before, and I disagree again.

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12 hours ago, andy h said:

west brom fan in peace 

 

i agree with all the sentiments on here more fans better atmosphere  

You should be able to make a good noise with 3k.

How many other Championship clubs give you more than 10% of home capacity like we have btw?

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1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

I was thinking of the Swansea game where there were so many away fans that police lost control and they surged en masse into the corner by home fans leading to fighting.

Outside the ground control was lost again as Swansea fans broke through a police cordon and ordinary fans, young and old, had to witness mass fighting in the park.

This was mostly down to numbers and there's no doubt afaic. that when we give these whole end 4k+ allocations more away fan non STHs and potential troublemakers get tickets.

Terrible publicity for BCFC as the media had a field day showing the trouble, and we've seen it so many times.

Why the obsession with filing the whole away end and in the process undoubtedly diluting home advantage?

Our usual maximum away allocation of 2.7k is large in itself and more than enough for the away fans to make a big racket and add to the atmosphere.

Thankfully this season, at last, the club seem to have seen sense and are not giving out excessive away allocations.

 

 

As you say, the police lost control - this was their cock-up. Matches against Swansea have usually had a bit of bite, and it's quite unbelievable that the police lost control. Who knows, maybe they did so on purpose to get a load of lads on camera and hand out a new batch of banning orders? Either way,  if it's numbers you're afraid of, then maybe we should just limit Ashton Gate to 5,000. We have a great stadium - let's bloody well use it, and yes, that means giving away fans their rightful due as well. 

As for the terrible publicity? How do you mean? We've hardly had a black mark held against us. It got fleetingly mentioned in the press, that was it. I don't see players not joining us because of it, or kids cowering in terror at the prospect of watching us. Even in modern times, handbags happen at football, but that's all it pretty much was. Whilst I wasn't there, having viewed the footage and heard from several people who were, it doesn't hold a candle to many of our past fixtures with Swansea. 

As for this 'home advantage' you go on about, that point is discussed elsewhere and doesn't really hold much water. 

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1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

I was thinking of the Swansea game where there were so many away fans that police lost control and they surged en masse into the corner by home fans leading to fighting.

Outside the ground control was lost again as Swansea fans broke through a police cordon and ordinary fans, young and old, had to witness mass fighting in the park.

This was mostly down to numbers and there's no doubt afaic. that when we give these whole end 4k+ allocations more away fan non STHs and potential troublemakers get tickets.

Terrible publicity for BCFC as the media had a field day showing the trouble, and we've seen it so many times.

Why the obsession with filing the whole away end and in the process undoubtedly diluting home advantage?

Our usual maximum away allocation of 2.7k is large in itself and more than enough for the away fans to make a big racket and add to the atmosphere.

Thankfully this season, at last, the club seem to have seen sense and are not giving out excessive away allocations.

 

 

Not just the amount of away fans that day but bad police organisation all day long led to the trouble 

thay seemed to mess them around on the way to the ground which didn’t help

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3 minutes ago, poland_exile said:

As you say, the police lost control - this was their cock-up. Matches against Swansea have usually had a bit of bite, and it's quite unbelievable that the police lost control. Who knows, maybe they did so on purpose to get a load of lads on camera and hand out a new batch of banning orders? Either way,  if it's numbers you're afraid of, then maybe we should just limit Ashton Gate to 5,000. We have a great stadium - let's bloody well use it, and yes, that means giving away fans their rightful due as well. 

As for the terrible publicity? How do you mean? We've hardly had a black mark held against us. It got fleetingly mentioned in the press, that was it. I don't see players not joining us because of it, or kids cowering in terror at the prospect of watching us. Even in modern times, handbags happen at football, but that's all it pretty much was. Whilst I wasn't there, having viewed the footage and heard from several people who were, it doesn't hold a candle to many of our past fixtures with Swansea. 

As for this 'home advantage' you go on about, that point is discussed elsewhere and doesn't really hold much water. 

Correction- the police didn't lose control.....they never had control in the first place. 

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Will Frank Skinner and Adrian Chiles be able to bag complimentarys?

PS. I agree that we should give the whole Atyeo to away fans if they  can sell the tickets. More cash in the coffers and a better atmosphere.

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2 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

I was thinking of the Swansea game where there were so many away fans that police lost control and they surged en masse into the corner by home fans leading to fighting.

Outside the ground control was lost again as Swansea fans broke through a police cordon and ordinary fans, young and old, had to witness mass fighting in the park.

This was mostly down to numbers and there's no doubt afaic. that when we give these whole end 4k+ allocations more away fan non STHs and potential troublemakers get tickets.

Terrible publicity for BCFC as the media had a field day showing the trouble, and we've seen it so many times.

Why the obsession with filing the whole away end and in the process undoubtedly diluting home advantage?

Our usual maximum away allocation of 2.7k is large in itself and more than enough for the away fans to make a big racket and add to the atmosphere.

Thankfully this season, at last, the club seem to have seen sense and are not giving out excessive away allocations.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

I was thinking of the Swansea game where there were so many away fans that police lost control and they surged en masse into the corner by home fans leading to fighting.

Outside the ground control was lost again as Swansea fans broke through a police cordon and ordinary fans, young and old, had to witness mass fighting in the park.

This was mostly down to numbers and there's no doubt afaic. that when we give these whole end 4k+ allocations more away fan non STHs and potential troublemakers get tickets.

Terrible publicity for BCFC as the media had a field day showing the trouble, and we've seen it so many times.

Why the obsession with filing the whole away end and in the process undoubtedly diluting home advantage?

Our usual maximum away allocation of 2.7k is large in itself and more than enough for the away fans to make a big racket and add to the atmosphere.

Thankfully this season, at last, the club seem to have seen sense and are not giving out excessive away allocations.

 

 

My memory is of a few handbags when the Swansea fans arrived late, I barely looked up, not interested while the football's going on. 

I also remember the Swansea fans singing their national anthem followed by the rest of the ground singing "England, England" it definitely gee'd the players up to get the victory. 

God knows how many dull games I have no memory of since but that day was special and I for one would love to see many more like that. Its a special ground when properly full, which sadly rarely happens now 

 

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3 hours ago, ralphindevon said:

My memory is of a few handbags when the Swansea fans arrived late, I barely looked up, not interested while the football's going on. 

I also remember the Swansea fans singing their national anthem followed by the rest of the ground singing "England, England" it definitely gee'd the players up to get the victory. 

God knows how many dull games I have no memory of since but that day was special and I for one would love to see many more like that. Its a special ground when properly full, which sadly rarely happens now 

 

it was barely anything compared to nineties let alone eighties and doesn't even figure on seventies :)

all gone soft these days

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50 minutes ago, Dolman Block B said:

24k plus. 4 more days of general sale 

Where have you seen that 24k have been sold already? Impressive if true....would surely be a sell-out!

Huge, huge game on Sat - COYRs

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3 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said:

Where have you seen that 24k have been sold already? Impressive if true....would surely be a sell-out!

Huge, huge game on Sat - COYRs

22k sold according to twitter. 
 

I think @Dolman Block B is saying we should be looking to get 24k with 4 more days of general sale

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One for @JulieH: I wondered when West Brom were given the extra allocation if it was partly down to the police saying "West Brom fans generally behave themselves so we're ok with that". Where as other clubs may be able to sell out the 2,700, but would not be given the extra allocation due to having a bit of a reputation.

 

Also, did the SAG put the restricted away allocation in place post Swansea, but are now starting to relax it?

 

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10 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

You have, and I've disagreed before, and I disagree again.

On what grounds do you disagree? I don’t see how denying visiting supporters tickets - both ourselves elsewhere and away fans at Ashton Gate - and preferring empty seats and a lesser atmosphere benefits anyone.

Really can’t get my head around why you would advocate that.

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7 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

On what grounds do you disagree? I don’t see how denying visiting supporters tickets - both ourselves elsewhere and away fans at Ashton Gate - and preferring empty seats and a lesser atmosphere benefits anyone.

Really can’t get my head around why you would advocate that.

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12 hours ago, Dolman Block B said:

24k plus. 4 more days of general sale 

Not a chance we are going to sell another 2,000 tickets in four days - there is no reason for any sudden rush for anyone to buy tickets

If we had got something at Leeds it may have caught the attention of the casual supporter, but not now

11 hours ago, PhilC said:

One for @JulieH: I wondered when West Brom were given the extra allocation if it was partly down to the police saying "West Brom fans generally behave themselves so we're ok with that". Where as other clubs may be able to sell out the 2,700, but would not be given the extra allocation due to having a bit of a reputation.

 

Also, did the SAG put the restricted away allocation in place post Swansea, but are now starting to relax it?

 

@PhilC At the weekend in a post @JulieH put she was going to New York for a few days, so you wont hear anything this week

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12 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

On what grounds do you disagree? I don’t see how denying visiting supporters tickets - both ourselves elsewhere and away fans at Ashton Gate - and preferring empty seats and a lesser atmosphere benefits anyone.

Really can’t get my head around why you would advocate that.

As said previously we are NOT denying visiting supporters tickets by not filling the away end to the rafters like the Swansea game.

They are not entitled to those extra tickets.

We give 10%, - 2.7k - the maximum amount we are required to give, as a norm, and that in itself is a large amount, more than enough for most clubs, and plenty to add to the atmosphere.

Some empty seats are fine by me and also necessary to provide segregation between the Atyeo and the adjoining stands - the Swansea game proved beyond doubt it is necessary to net off significant areas of seats in the Atyeo whether we like it not.

Giving excessive away allocations is a bad idea both in terms of maintaining home advantage and limiting crowd problems both inside and outside the ground.

I witnessed all the mass fighting in the park as long as 45 years ago - I don't find it exciting or interesting to see the exact same scenes occurring all these years later primarily because the police cannot control the excessive numbers of away fans you wish to see.

Btw. If you don't think there are ordinary City fans who will be put off attending when they see fighting in the ground and have to avoid running battles outside you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

 

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22,000 would be awful considering 3,000 from West Bromwich. 19,000 would be our lowest home crowd of the season, so more likely the attendance will be at least 23,000 with 20,000 Bristolians which is a pretty average turnout from us this season.

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2 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

As said previously we are NOT denying visiting supporters tickets by not filling the away end to the rafters like the Swansea game.

They are not entitled to those extra tickets.

We give 10%, - 2.7k - the maximum amount we are required to give, as a norm, and that in itself is a large amount, more than enough for most clubs, and plenty to add to the atmosphere.

Some empty seats are fine by me and also necessary to provide segregation between the Atyeo and the adjoining stands - the Swansea game proved beyond doubt it is necessary to net off significant areas of seats in the Atyeo whether we like it not.

Giving excessive away allocations is a bad idea both in terms of maintaining home advantage and limiting crowd problems both inside and outside the ground.

I witnessed all the mass fighting in the park as long as 40 years ago - I don't find it exciting or interesting to see the exact same scenes occurring all these years later primarily because the police cannot control the excessive numbers of away fans you wish to see.

Btw. If you don't think there are ordinary City fans who will be put off attending when they see fighting in the ground and have to avoid running battles outside you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

 

Can't wait for you to be the one to miss out on an away ticket for a promotion decider just because the home team want some empty seats.

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2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

22,000 would be awful considering 3,000 from West Bromwich. 19,000 would be our lowest home crowd of the season, so more likely the attendance will be at least 23,000 with 20,000 Bristolians which is a pretty average turnout from us this season.

To me that would indicate that we have a very low "walk up" on tickets bought any match day

The majority of out support must be season ticket holders

1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said:

Can't wait for you to be the one to miss out on an away ticket for a promotion decider just because the home team want some empty seats.

This has happened in the past when we have been to places and large sections around us are empty

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20 hours ago, poland_exile said:

As you say, the police lost control - this was their cock-up. Matches against Swansea have usually had a bit of bite, and it's quite unbelievable that the police lost control. Who knows, maybe they did so on purpose to get a load of lads on camera and hand out a new batch of banning orders? Either way,  if it's numbers you're afraid of, then maybe we should just limit Ashton Gate to 5,000. We have a great stadium - let's bloody well use it, and yes, that means giving away fans their rightful due as well. 

As for the terrible publicity? How do you mean? We've hardly had a black mark held against us. It got fleetingly mentioned in the press, that was it. I don't see players not joining us because of it, or kids cowering in terror at the prospect of watching us. Even in modern times, handbags happen at football, but that's all it pretty much was. Whilst I wasn't there, having viewed the footage and heard from several people who were, it doesn't hold a candle to many of our past fixtures with Swansea. 

As for this 'home advantage' you go on about, that point is discussed elsewhere and doesn't really hold much water. 

Their rightful due is 2.7k. At 3k we are already giving West Brom more than their rightful due.

May be you didn't see all the bad publicity in Poland but I can assure you it was all over the local press and TV for days as well as the internet.

This is not the 70's/80's where such scenes were expected - it's very unusual to have 20-25 arrests at a game these days and the media go to town on it.

Kids certainly were frightened outside the ground, quite naturally when adults are slugging it out and police horses charging about in close proximity.

I think my point about home advantage very much hold water.

Why do you want to see 4k allocations and all the potential problems associated with these excessive numbers inside and outside the ground - it can't be about atmosphere during the match because 2.7k is more than enough to provide that.

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11 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Can't wait for you to be the one to miss out on an away ticket for a promotion decider just because the home team want some empty seats.

We should expect 10% and most City STH's would miss out unless you're expecting another club to give us 15k.

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17 hours ago, ralphindevon said:

My memory is of a few handbags when the Swansea fans arrived late, I barely looked up, not interested while the football's going on. 

I also remember the Swansea fans singing their national anthem followed by the rest of the ground singing "England, England" it definitely gee'd the players up to get the victory. 

God knows how many dull games I have no memory of since but that day was special and I for one would love to see many more like that. Its a special ground when properly full, which sadly rarely happens now 

 

Something like 25 arrests iirc, far from handbags, and fighting like that inside a football ground is more or less unheard of in England these days.

2.7k Swansea fans would also have sung their National anthem, and got similar loud response from City fans, so no lessening of atmosphere.

The poor policing, apparently caused by sheer weight of numbers of away fans created the problems inside and outside AG that day imo.

The simple and sensible solution is not to give excessive allocations they clearly can't cope with which led to the utterly predictable scenes we saw that day.

The club seem to agree - no doubt taking into account police advice - even if you and some posters other on here don't.

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28 minutes ago, phantom said:

To me that would indicate that we have a very low "walk up" on tickets bought any match day

The majority of out support must be season ticket holders

This has happened in the past when we have been to places and large sections around us are empty

That’s not really a surprise with our match day prices.

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26 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Their rightful due is 2.7k. At 3k we are already giving West Brom more than their rightful due.

May be you didn't see all the bad publicity in Poland but I can assure you it was all over the local press and TV for days as well as the internet.

This is not the 70's/80's where such scenes were expected - it's very unusual to have 20-25 arrests at a game these days and the media go to town on it.

Kids certainly were frightened outside the ground, quite naturally when adults are slugging it out and police horses charging about in close proximity.

I think my point about home advantage very much hold water.

Why do you want to see 4k allocations and all the potential problems associated with these excessive numbers inside and outside the ground - it can't be about atmosphere during the match because 2.7k is more than enough to provide that.

If 4 or 5k away fans want to travel and there’s room for them then let them I say. Although I don’t travel away often myself these days,  some of my wonderful memories from away days when we have taken big followings can’t be taken away. There’s another thread currently on here when there must have been 8000 at West Brom. Then double that 14 months later at Coventry. Other big followings to Arsenal, Liverpool, Bradford, Forest, Portsmouth, Birmingham, Walsall, MK Dons are alive in my memory. 

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