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Fighting outside Dolman?

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14 hours ago, Henry said:

It was during the game, either fans broke the gates or the gates were left unlocked!

I'm pretty sure that the gates have to be left unlocked as they are needed to access the ground in an emergency 

13 hours ago, Redinthehead said:

All I saw were some West Brom fans who’d been celebrating down the steps getting pulled out and then our usual band of useless idiots rush to the first sign of trouble to try and start something.

Hopefully CCTV picked them up and then can be banned, otherwise we’ll never be able to have decent numbers of away fans.

Don't be over dramatic it was posturing at worst. Happens up and down the country at every game. 

What exactly do you want them banned for? 

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12 hours ago, ZiderEyed said:

Rugby fans who cause on average more disorder than football fans?

It’s easy to make this comment and hoover up the likes, but - genuine question - where is the evidence to back up this claim?

People here can point to specific examples of rugby disorder of course, but unless anyone can point me to statistics backing up the claim that “rugby fans cause on average more disorder” I’m going to struggle to swallow that.

Put it another way; when Bristol play Bath without segregation it generally passes off without significant incident. Now imagine City v Rovers at Ashton Gate and imagine the carnage without segregation.

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18 minutes ago, phantom said:

 

Don't be over dramatic it was posturing at worst. Happens up and down the country at every game. 

What exactly do you want them banned for? 

It was largely posturing but it was posturing on the basis of seeing a minor flashpoint and wanting to get involved - hoping it would kick off. It’s ridiculous, if you come to football to fight other people because they support another team then I think you’re a total disgrace and should take a serious look in the mirror.

Will they be banned? No

Is there anything in the current laws/rules that would see them banned? Probably not.

Should there be? In my eyes, yes.

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33 minutes ago, Redinthehead said:

It was largely posturing but it was posturing on the basis of seeing a minor flashpoint and wanting to get involved - hoping it would kick off. It’s ridiculous, if you come to football to fight other people because they support another team then I think you’re a total disgrace and should take a serious look in the mirror.

Will they be banned? No

Is there anything in the current laws/rules that would see them banned? Probably not.

Should there be? In my eyes, yes.

Fair enough you explained your point well, Oddly I thought that it actually livened the atmosphere up too

But I would say there's a big difference between posturing and actually fighting 

In my opinion the only person who will be in trouble is the lad that ran across the front of the stand, but fair play to the stewards there that stopped him getting to the WBA supporters 

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1 minute ago, phantom said:

Fair enough you explained your point well, Oddly I thought that it actually livened the atmosphere up too

But I would say there's a big difference between posturing and actually fighting 

In my opinion the only person who will be in trouble is the lad that ran across the front of the stand, but fair play to the stewards there that stopped him ge to the WBA supporters 

I agree on the fighting/posturing point. The problem is that whilst it’s perfectly plausible that some people just enjoy the posturing, there are also some people who were getting involved with the hope it escalated further. 

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1 hour ago, phantom said:

I'm pretty sure that the gates have to be left unlocked as they are needed to access the ground in an emergency 

Don't be over dramatic it was posturing at worst. Happens up and down the country at every game. 

What exactly do you want them banned for? 

Banned for fighting the police/resisting arrest please, within 6ft of my son in his wheelchair.

Banned for a very long time. 

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2 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

It’s easy to make this comment and hoover up the likes, but - genuine question - where is the evidence to back up this claim?

People here can point to specific examples of rugby disorder of course, but unless anyone can point me to statistics backing up the claim that “rugby fans cause on average more disorder” I’m going to struggle to swallow that.

Put it another way; when Bristol play Bath without segregation it generally passes off without significant incident. Now imagine City v Rovers at Ashton Gate and imagine the carnage without segregation.

I think the point is that whilst incidents do happen at other sports (e.g. Rugby, horse racing and boxing), they get nothing like the same publicity as when something happens at football. Only a couple of weeks ago at the Scotland vs England rugby match a member of the England management team was hit by a beer bottle believed (at the time) to have been thrown by a Scotland supporter. Outside match reports and rugby specific press this received very little coverage in comparison whereas if it had happened at football this would have been headline news

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8 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

 

 

Says further down he was sat in E32. Last time I looked that wasn’t the family section. Besides that, shouldn’t be in the home end anyway, and if you do, you keep your mouth shut. 
You do wonder if supporters realised he was a yam yam when he jumped up cheering when they scored.

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6 minutes ago, GreedyHarry said:

Says further down he was sat in E32. Last time I looked that wasn’t the family section. Besides that, shouldn’t be in the home end anyway, and if you do, you keep your mouth shut. 
You do wonder if supporters realised he was a yam yam when he jumped up cheering when they scored.

Pretty sure that was the a few rows in front of me after they scored their 3rd goal.

The lad who was challenged looked older than 12, and to be fair, I didn't see them celebrating, but it wouldn't surprise me if those sitting closer to them heard 'positive noises' about them scoring.

They were foolish to go in the home end - if they couldn't get a ticket for the away end, accept that the game has sold old from your perspective. And even more foolish to make their allegiance known sitting in a home section. 

That said, it was all somewhat unnecessary.

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14 hours ago, Dollymarie said:

And that’s the problem. We won’t hear 22,000 odd fans went to a football match and behaved just fine, we’ll hear about a few dozen who let themselves and their clubs down. 

You don’t expect praise for behaving do you? I certainly don’t. 

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Three West Brom fans were hauled out of the South Stand after someone reported them to the stewards, I then saw them in the South Stand concourse watching the game on the screens with a drink !

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1 hour ago, citysimmo said:

I think the point is that whilst incidents do happen at other sports (e.g. Rugby, horse racing and boxing), they get nothing like the same publicity as when something happens at football. Only a couple of weeks ago at the Scotland vs England rugby match a member of the England management team was hit by a beer bottle believed (at the time) to have been thrown by a Scotland supporter. Outside match reports and rugby specific press this received very little coverage in comparison whereas if it had happened at football this would have been headline news

I would agree with that point, but that’s not the point I was responding to. The claim was specifically that rugby fans cause more disorder than football. I think that’s a very dubious claim.

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Anyone that thinks rugby fans cause more disorder than football fans must have been on another planet for the last 40 years, how often have English rugby fans caused havoc on the streets of Paris, Dublin etc ? You don't see rugby fans attacking rival fans pubs or mass brawls in city centres, never see rugby fans ripping up seats to throw at each other. I'm not saying all rugby fans are angels but to compare the two is ridiculous.

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23 minutes ago, weepywall said:

Anyone that thinks rugby fans cause more disorder than football fans must have been on another planet for the last 40 years, how often have English rugby fans caused havoc on the streets of Paris, Dublin etc ? You don't see rugby fans attacking rival fans pubs or mass brawls in city centres, never see rugby fans ripping up seats to throw at each other. I'm not saying all rugby fans are angels but to compare the two is ridiculous.

One thing that has surprised me, is that those with a tribalist mentality who seem to enjoy mass brawls haven't gone to the rugby to engage in anti social behaviour.

Given there are fewer restrictions on alcohol and a completely different approach policing.

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17 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

One thing that has surprised me, is that those with a tribalist mentality who seem to enjoy mass brawls haven't gone to the rugby to engage in anti social behaviour.

Given there are fewer restrictions on alcohol and a completely different approach policing.

Maybe because they don't expect anyone else to reciprocate. So less "fun"? 

Maybe. 

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4 hours ago, CotswoldRed said:

Banned for fighting the police/resisting arrest please, within 6ft of my son in his wheelchair.

Banned for a very long time. 

Who was fighting the police? 

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41 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

One thing that has surprised me, is that those with a tribalist mentality who seem to enjoy mass brawls haven't gone to the rugby to engage in anti social behaviour.

Given there are fewer restrictions on alcohol and a completely different approach policing.

Rugby fans probably better educated in general, so don’t really go in for the mass brawling as much. 

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1 hour ago, weepywall said:

Anyone that thinks rugby fans cause more disorder than football fans must have been on another planet for the last 40 years, how often have English rugby fans caused havoc on the streets of Paris, Dublin etc ? You don't see rugby fans attacking rival fans pubs or mass brawls in city centres, never see rugby fans ripping up seats to throw at each other. I'm not saying all rugby fans are angels but to compare the two is ridiculous.

Rugby fans do cause problems in pubs, why do you think there's a real possibility card will be dry before rugby Internationals 

Have you been on a late train through Bath? 

Often see Bath and Exeter fans playing up on the train 

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1 minute ago, phantom said:

Who was fighting the police

One lad about 17/18. Another chap the police were trying to pin to the floor. Both had arms flailing and resisting arrest. 

Just by the glass exit doors of the Dolman by the Atyeo. 

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2 minutes ago, GlastonburyRed said:

Rugby fans probably better educated in general, so don’t really go in for the mass brawling as much. 

Absolutely ridiculous statement 

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1 minute ago, CotswoldRed said:

One lad about 17/18. Another chap the police were trying to pin to the floor. Both had arms flailing and resisting arrest. 

Just by the glass exit doors of the Dolman by the Atyeo. 

I don't mean to sound rude but how were these guys near your son? 

I thought you meant people wee play up near the disabled area 

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1 minute ago, phantom said:

Rugby fans do cause problems in pubs, why do you think there's a real possibility card will be dry before rugby Internationals 

Have you been on a late train through Bath? 

Often see Bath and Exeter fans playing up on the train 

I'm not saying there isn't problems at rugby matches I'm saying its nowhere near the scale of trouble at football matches and yes i have been on plenty of late trains to Bath as I live there.

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There is one possible flashpoint in the entire stadium, and not for the first time problems have arisen in that area.

I find it beyond belief that the club can’t once and for all solve this issue.

Put a physical barrier in place so that those ‘gesturing’ can’t actually see each other at pitch level.

Barrier off the first complete section top to bottom  in the Atyeo nearest the Dolman, as part of the stands reduced capacity.

Place netting across that lower Dolman section. (Lose perhaps 50-100 seats)

Add a line of Police / Stewards along the steps. (Oh dear that’s gonna cost)

Stop being reactive and become proactive to solving the issue.

I know WBA won easily, but if ever there was a case for standing home fans to occupy that area (the Atyeo stand,  named  after OUR greatest ever player)  to generate an atmosphere beneficial to the home team, the WBA fans showed how to do it.

Maybe controversial but I would give the away fans half the Dolman, nearest the Atyeo.

Not impossible to segregate, the worst seats and leg room in the stadium, easy to police the exit and on the side of the pitch not behind one goal.

It would require some investment in the concourse for football,  but not that difficult to do.

 

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2 minutes ago, phantom said:

I don't mean to sound rude but how were these guys near your son? 

I thought you meant people wee play up near the disabled area 

We had just left through the glass doors. 

My son had to stop his chair to avoid the commotion landing on him. 

I'm not making this a disabled issue. I'm merely pointing out that if you act like a hooligan then vulnerable people are likely to be in your crossfire. 

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18 hours ago, Packman said:

Like the one who punched that woman in the face who was stood with her child???

 

11 hours ago, Rinkadink said:

This is just made up BS.

It wasn't a meat head who punched the mother, it was a middle/aging Worcester supporter who was annoyed at her kids for waving Bristol flags in the seats in front. He was well out of line and she came over to tell him as such and got hit. I believe she also may have landed one in retaliation, certainly didn't back down anyway. The guy has been banned for life from both Sixways and Ashton Gate AFAIK. Very weird incident.

I don't know if any charges were brought, better ask the OB they might know. Wasn't tribalism/rivalry just an angry, lone man and could have happened anywhere really.

I mean no charges and minimal press coverage would have happened if it was a football fan.....

FFS last season someone got nicked for throwing an empty paper cup in the direction of away fans...... At a football match at Ashton Gate.

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Was hardly minimal press coverage, a bottle got blown at the England coach in the storm and that was all over the national news. Who said anything about no charges? I know the police were investigating the Worcester guy as even Julie commented on here about it. 

There is a huge different in the type of violence between the two sports as well, especially at club level. You can't honestly downplay that. I go to both City and Bears matches and I don't see how anyone who attends both could argue it's the same. See City vs Swansea or Cardiff or whoever and compare to Bristol vs Barf or Gloucester... It's the very thing some people enjoy more about soccer vs union or league. Can't have it both ways.

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2 hours ago, Red white and red said:

You don’t expect praise for behaving do you? I certainly don’t. 

You’re missing my point, which is we only hear about the negatives 

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4 minutes ago, Dollymarie said:

You’re missing my point, which is we only hear about the negatives 

Well yes. I wouldn’t expect to hear that fans have behaved themselves because it is normal and expected behaviour. That’s why you always hear about the negatives. 

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7 hours ago, Redinthehead said:

It was largely posturing but it was posturing on the basis of seeing a minor flashpoint and wanting to get involved - hoping it would kick off. It’s ridiculous, if you come to football to fight other people because they support another team then I think you’re a total disgrace and should take a serious look in the mirror.

Will they be banned? No

Is there anything in the current laws/rules that would see them banned? Probably not.

Should there be? In my eyes, yes.

Primates are the most violent animals on the planet - and sadly we aren't as yet as civilized in the evolutionary sense as many may like to think...

A good read for those that enjoy a book is "The Naked Ape" by Desmond ( not Johnny! ) Morris....worth a look...

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Don't know it was anything to do with the bang yesterday but for the Bears match today searches were stepped up. Bags were searched which I know is normal but a bit hit and miss, but everyone without fail had to open coats. I did ask what they were looking for in particular and was told 'anything really, especially aerosols'

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Just back from leave, had a few text messages about yesterday but will update tomorrow once I get the full facts and figures 

I enclose an update from the recent qpr game which commented on fan behaviour, unfortunately some of the comments were not quite so grateful 

it is difficult to highlight good fan behaviour without sounding patronising, but something we are keen to do .

 

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4 hours ago, Galley is our king said:

Absolutely, no excuse, book to be thrown and hard!

Is it a paperback?

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2 hours ago, Rinkadink said:

Was hardly minimal press coverage, a bottle got blown at the England coach in the storm and that was all over the national news. Who said anything about no charges? I know the police were investigating the Worcester guy as even Julie commented on here about it. 

There is a huge different in the type of violence between the two sports as well, especially at club level. You can't honestly downplay that. I go to both City and Bears matches and I don't see how anyone who attends both could argue it's the same. See City vs Swansea or Cardiff or whoever and compare to Bristol vs Barf or Gloucester... It's the very thing some people enjoy more about soccer vs union or league. Can't have it both ways.

If the same happened at a football match there would be many asking for a custodial sentence without a doubt, the case would have been followed right up until the court date, and what punishment was dealt out. It would be all over the BP - that is a certainty.

Yes I know the incident was being investigated by the Police, so why hasn't there been an update? I will assume (maybe wrongly), that if charges were brought against the fan then you/we would have heard about it wouldn't we?

Maybe @JulieH can confirm what punishment the Rugby fan was given by the Police and/or courts?

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5 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Don't see how you can find anything slightly funny in this. Your comment is actually bloody pathetic.

I don’t find anything amusing about the incident itself.

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6 hours ago, RedM said:

Don't know it was anything to do with the bang yesterday but for the Bears match today searches were stepped up. Bags were searched which I know is normal but a bit hit and miss, but everyone without fail had to open coats. I did ask what they were looking for in particular and was told 'anything really, especially aerosols'

You are always going to get some Rovers fans attending Bears matches, oh sorry you said 'aerosols' 

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I followed city in the sixties and seventies avidly both home and away and although the cost of thekids and mortgage was the reason i stopped going to watch , I have always followed and intended to start going again.

now in my seventies I’ve have indeed gone to watch some recent games and in my naivety in thought the mindless violence of my youth was a thing of the past.

in the dolman stand against Birmingham I was bombasted with ninety five minutes of disgusting language by an individual several rows behind whose vocabulary consisted of four letter words. In the crowd around me were women, and young children.

I can’t obviously talk for them and as obviously as snowflake I found what should have been a good day out uncomfortable.

now I read of fighting taking place as well and I’m wondering wether I want to renew my membership next year and place myself in an hostile envoirment and can’t help wondering wether I’m alone thinking this

 

 

 

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On 22 February 2020 at 22:20, pongo88 said:

Perhaps? My experiences in both sports have shown that football has a greater number of idiots however. 

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does anyone else find this a boring thread  with so many more positive things to talk about rather than violence or potential violence, it's all about kids who cant handle their beer, generally

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On 23/02/2020 at 10:33, citysimmo said:

I think the point is that whilst incidents do happen at other sports (e.g. Rugby, horse racing and boxing), they get nothing like the same publicity as when something happens at football. Only a couple of weeks ago at the Scotland vs England rugby match a member of the England management team was hit by a beer bottle believed (at the time) to have been thrown by a Scotland supporter. Outside match reports and rugby specific press this received very little coverage in comparison whereas if it had happened at football this would have been headline news

What titles do you count as ‘rugby specific press’?

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On 23/02/2020 at 12:07, Bristol Rob said:

Pretty sure that was the a few rows in front of me after they scored their 3rd goal.

The lad who was challenged looked older than 12, and to be fair, I didn't see them celebrating, but it wouldn't surprise me if those sitting closer to them heard 'positive noises' about them scoring.

They were foolish to go in the home end - if they couldn't get a ticket for the away end, accept that the game has sold old from your perspective. And even more foolish to make their allegiance known sitting in a home section. 

That said, it was all somewhat unnecessary.

There have been a few times when I have ended up in a wrong end, and it's just plain common sense to keep everything zipped, even "in this day and age". Rightly or wrongly, anyone who does otherwise really should not complain about any consequences suffered!? And in fairness, a hefty clip around the ear is the worse that will happen now. Unnecessary yes, unexpected no. But rarely, I am in complete agreement with you :) 

 

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5 hours ago, MattWSM said:

does anyone else find this a boring thread  with so many more positive things to talk about rather than violence or potential violence, it's all about kids who cant handle their beer, generally

Very boring, I was hoping for juicier stories. Instead, sounds like a few dozen lads aged 16-25 ran around for a bit and shouted at each other. 

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7 hours ago, OddBallJim said:

Perhaps? My experiences in both sports have shown that football has a greater number of idiots however. 

But on the flip side, also a greater number of top fellas. The random acts of kindness you sometimes get at football are priceless. So many times been helped out by total strangers in far flung places (and, hopefully, I like to think have returned the favour to others). Even the bad people at football are capable of goodness and it's a little unfair to think otherwise unless actually supporting such claim. 

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On 23/02/2020 at 16:03, RedM said:

Don't know it was anything to do with the bang yesterday but for the Bears match today searches were stepped up. Bags were searched which I know is normal but a bit hit and miss, but everyone without fail had to open coats. I did ask what they were looking for in particular and was told 'anything really, especially aerosols'

Arseholes with aerosols?

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