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Ying and Yang

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What the hell is Johnson talking about.

See Club Site for full statement.

Somebody get the men in white coats to collect him for a long stay in hospital!

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He's taking the piss.

I used to do that when I worked for a Germany company and used to drop obscure archaic English and West Country argot and sayings into emails.

The Germans were very proud of their proficiency in English so didn't want to admit that they didn't know what I meant by phrases such as "the full nine yards" or "a cod lot".

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8 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

What the hell is Johnson talking about.

See Club Site for full statement.

Somebody get the men in white coats to collect him for a long stay in hospital!

"We’ve got to make sure we pick a team of individuals that can get that balance. It’s the Ying and the Yang versus the release of the attacking players, quality and flare more importantly, versus the steel…we have missed that in the last couple of games. That’s there for everybody to see but somebody has got to take that mantle.”

Possible new recruits ? 

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3 minutes ago, Seneca the Younger said:

It makes sense, technically, but definitely doesn't do him any favours. Just say pros and cons.

I don't think he means pros and cons, I think he means the perfect equilibrium of attacking flair and steely grit and determination, both of which have been lacking in the past two games.

Ying and yang isn't the right expression anyway, because it implies he's failed to get the perfect balance, in which case one should have been too strong - and I can hardly believe he is suggesting we've been good on either basis. There was neither attacking flair, nor fight. The exception to that is Famara, who seems to get stuck in at both ends, but I don't expect LJ to single him out unless he has a bad game.

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For people who can’t be bothered to go to the OS:

“We’ve got to make sure we pick a team of individuals that can get that balance. It’s the Ying and the Yang versus the release of the attacking players, quality and flare more importantly, versus the steel…we have missed that in the last couple of games. That’s there for everybody to see but somebody has got to take that mantle.”

I like the way he says the word “versus” twice in the same sentence.

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I understand that due to the Coronavirus the Chinese League has been dissolved and we’ve signed two lads that were out of contract

Both small, neat busy bees and our new midfield pairing 

 

 

*

On a serious note he does like to make public his ‘dilemmas’ behind team selections , far more than any other manager I’ve known , they are indeed normal dilemmas than any manager has building or selecting a side, compromises and decisions , - I’m intrigued why he has to keep being so public about them  - most who know anything about football understand this
 

A defence mechanism/shield against fans criticisms (The complexities of my job)   ?

or
 

An inadvertent indication of how much he is constantly battling with such thought processes

 

For media purposes he could have said

 ‘I have to weigh up options , but I’ll be picking a side to ,hopefully win the game ‘

 

Id  suggest that if we have a real prospect of the Play Offs we need to do so with momentum and a degree of consistency in selection and,  personally I’d be basing my selections for the remainder of the season around a favoured formation and my favoured team to ideally start 

From there I’d tweak tactically or occasionally selection wise , but if we continue to tinker with everything on a match to match , (Plus constant in game changes) we will fall short.

Time to stick to a plan Lee , even if it’s initially , just for the forthcoming 12 games

 

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2 minutes ago, pl00peh91 said:

For people who can’t be bothered to go to the OS:

“We’ve got to make sure we pick a team of individuals that can get that balance. It’s the Ying and the Yang versus the release of the attacking players, quality and flare more importantly, versus the steel…we have missed that in the last couple of games. That’s there for everybody to see but somebody has got to take that mantle.”

I like the way he says the word “versus” twice in the same sentence.

There's not really anything wrong with him saying that. People just like to pick up on insignificant things he says to criticise him. 

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1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said:

There's not really anything wrong with him saying that. People just like to pick up on insignificant things he says to criticise him. 

I don’t know, one of the criticisms of the team is that they don’t understand his tactics. He’s hardly speaking in plain English is he - it’s a bit muddled and abstract - makes you wonder what he’s saying on the training pitch and whether it’s confusing them.

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2 minutes ago, pl00peh91 said:

I don’t know, one of the criticisms of the team is that they don’t understand his tactics. He’s hardly speaking in plain English is he - it’s a bit muddled and abstract - makes you wonder what he’s saying on the training pitch and whether it’s confusing them.

We have no idea how he speaks to the team so difficult to say 

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3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

We have no idea how he speaks to the team so difficult to say 

On the contrary, Johnson’s public statements do give us some indication as to how he communicates with his players, in my opinion 

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9 minutes ago, Olé said:

I don't think he means pros and cons, I think he means the perfect equilibrium of attacking flair and steely grit and determination, both of which have been lacking in the past two games.

Ying and yang isn't the right expression anyway, because it implies he's failed to get the perfect balance, in which case one should have been too strong - and I can hardly believe he is suggesting we've been good on either basis. There was neither attacking flair, nor fight. The exception to that is Famara, who seems to get stuck in at both ends, but I don't expect LJ to single him out unless he has a bad game.

That’s exactly what he’s saying but using coaching terminology. If you and I can understand it then other poster should be able to as well but certain posters would rather use his comments as a stick to beat him with.

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14 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

He's taking the piss.

I used to do that when I worked for a Germany company and used to drop obscure archaic English and West Country argot and sayings into emails.

The Germans were very proud of their proficiency in English so didn't want to admit that they didn't know what I meant by phrases such as "the full nine yards" or "a cod lot".

Eddie, you should have saved a few of them, would have been a great read.. 

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5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

That’s exactly what he’s saying but using coaching terminology. If you and I can understand it then other poster should be able to as well but certain posters would rather use his comments as a stick to beat him with.

is it coaching terminology? :dunno:

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5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

That’s exactly what he’s saying but using coaching terminology. If you and I can understand it then other poster should be able to as well but certain posters would rather use his comments as a stick to beat him with.

Why would you consider waffle to be “coaching terminology “, just trying to be too clever for his own good and that’s why people pick up on it.

  Maybe with some straight talking coaching the squad would have an idea of what’s required to put in some kind of cohesive performance.

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33 minutes ago, pl00peh91 said:

For people who can’t be bothered to go to the OS:

“We’ve got to make sure we pick a team of individuals that can get that balance. It’s the Ying and the Yang versus the release of the attacking players, quality and flare more importantly, versus the steel…we have missed that in the last couple of games. That’s there for everybody to see but somebody has got to take that mantle.”

I like the way he says the word “versus” twice in the same sentence.

So why the frick doesn’t he then ? 

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22 minutes ago, Robbored said:

That’s exactly what he’s saying but using coaching terminology. If you and I can understand it then other poster should be able to as well but certain posters would rather use his comments as a stick to beat him with.

To be fair it's a poor sentence. I talk Gibbons too from time to time, but I don't do press conferences. Reading it back, that's not a great sentence.

Edit, I meant gubbins, not Gibbons, but hey, I did an LJ!

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1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:

What the hell is Johnson talking about.

See Club Site for full statement.

Somebody get the men in white coats to collect him for a long stay in hospital!

Yin?

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1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:

What the hell is Johnson talking about.

See Club Site for full statement.

Somebody get the men in white coats to collect him for a long stay in hospital!

Is Ying and Yang Chinese for Billl and Ben, because they might be able to make sense of the flobbadob rubbish LJ comes out with sometimes? 

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1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Time to stick to a plan Lee , even if it’s initially , just for the forthcoming 12 games

 

The plan has been 442 because elliasson is our best player. But it doesnt really suit anyone else in the squad. And if elliasson is double marked out of the game we are then screwed

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3 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

The plan has been 442 because elliasson is our best player. But it doesnt really suit anyone else in the squad. And if elliasson is double marked out of the game we are then screwed

Pretty much the problem over the ages with tricky wingers.  I'm afraid that we can't afford such luxury players tonight (useful to have on the bench though).

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Lj always tries to give the impression he is very articulate and clever , however he often just comes across as a bit of a tool , i heard Dasilva use his "punch on the nose" saying on rb the other day and a little bit of sick came up ...

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Methinks this is his Dilly Ding, Dilly Dong moment a la Claudio Ranieri March 2016!!!

Now there was a bloke who got a tune out of a collection of players that surpassed all expectations.

For LJ he's talking ***t as he so often does!

 

 

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1 hour ago, Eddie Hitler said:

He's taking the piss.

I used to do that when I worked for a Germany company and used to drop obscure archaic English and West Country argot and sayings into emails.

The Germans were very proud of their proficiency in English so didn't want to admit that they didn't know what I meant by phrases such as "the full nine yards" or "a cod lot".

What did they make of your name Eddie?

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3 minutes ago, fairweather said:

What did they make of your name Eddie?

Whilst they also prided themsleves on their knowledge of the British sense of humour I don't think that even they would have got that joke.

The full joke is that the name is Edward E Hitler; so that because most people's attention is drawn by the surname they don't then go on to enquire what the middle initial stands for.

It's Elizabeth.

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30 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

Whilst they also prided themsleves on their knowledge of the British sense of humour I don't think that even they would have got that joke.

The full joke is that the name is Edward E Hitler; so that because most people's attention is drawn by the surname they don't then go on to enquire what the middle initial stands for.

It's Elizabeth.

Eddie awoooeeeewoooeeewooo....

then richie gets his crotch set on fire with a blow torch!

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52 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

The plan has been 442 because elliasson is our best player. But it doesnt really suit anyone else in the squad. And if elliasson is double marked out of the game we are then screwed

I didn’t mention Elliasson or 4-4-2 Simon

That’s his decision , his job

I’m suggesting he needs to clear his mind and get back to a basic -

Pick what he sees as his strongest side and formation and use it as a strong base to tweak occasionally for specific scenarios , not constantly change formation whilst making 3,4,5 personnel changes 

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5 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I didn’t mention Elliasson or 4-4-2 Simon

That’s his decision , his job

I’m suggesting he needs to clear his mind and get back to a basic -

Pick what he sees as his strongest side and formation and use it as a strong base to tweak occasionally for specific scenarios , not constantly change formation whilst making 3,4,5 personnel changes 

I completely agree.

The trouble is, he either sees himself as a tactical genius and picks bespoke teams and tactics each game or else he really struggles to pick a team.

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2 hours ago, pl00peh91 said:

I don’t know, one of the criticisms of the team is that they don’t understand his tactics. He’s hardly speaking in plain English is he - it’s a bit muddled and abstract - makes you wonder what he’s saying on the training pitch and whether it’s confusing them.

Coaches do not speak in plain English at all levels. Communication is frequently particular to certain clubs. All that is important is that the players understand what is being said.

Mr Johnsons vocabulary will change to suit the environment -  He could alter how he communicates with fans.  

 

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2 hours ago, pl00peh91 said:

For people who can’t be bothered to go to the OS:

“We’ve got to make sure we pick a team of individuals that can get that balance. It’s the Ying and the Yang versus the release of the attacking players, quality and flare more importantly, versus the steel…we have missed that in the last couple of games. That’s there for everybody to see but somebody has got to take that mantle.”

I like the way he says the word “versus” twice in the same sentence.

I like "That’s there for everybody to see", immediately following on from "It’s the Ying and the Yang versus the release of the attacking players, quality and flare more importantly, versus the steel…we have missed that in the last couple of games". 🤣

2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

There's not really anything wrong with him saying that. People just like to pick up on insignificant things he says to criticise him. 

It's quite amusing, Johnson was congratulated last week on a relatively sane press conference.

If you are seriously suggesting that today's makes any sense, whatever, you must be taking the same stuff as Johnson. 

2 hours ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

On the contrary, Johnson’s public statements do give us some indication as to how he communicates with his players, in my opinion 

Yes.

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8 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Coaches do not speak in plain English at all levels. Communication is frequently particular to certain clubs. All that is important is that the players understand what is being said.

Mr Johnsons vocabulary will change to suit the environment -  He could alter how he communicates with fans.  

 

Marcelo Bielsa would be a more difficult manager to understand, but the players seem to do ok.

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16 minutes ago, NickJ said:

It's quite amusing, Johnson was congratulated last week on a relatively sane press conference.

If you are seriously suggesting that today's makes any sense, whatever, you must be taking the same stuff as Johnson. 

I just don't think it's worth making a fuss over. Feels like people will take anything he says and criticise him for it at the moment. It's because Johnson divides opinion and our form is patchy. If Chris Wilder said it, I bet no Sheffield United fans would take any notice. 

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27 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Marcelo Bielsa would be a more difficult manager to understand, but the players seem to do ok.

Without knowing I can imagine he (Biesla) would like the words intenso and rapido.

The point was about how will Mr Johnson talk to players on the training pitch. Well very similarly to everybody else. He will use his trigger words and phrases as others use theirs with similar intent.

Away from the training pitch the communication changes to suit the environment and intent. 

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I suspect most people these days have a basic idea what yin and yang is about. It’s pretty widely used.

Those that mock this - and, often, any other non English phrase, with Del Boy quotes - are just showing up their ignorance.

As indeed are the press boys by spelling it as ying and yang.

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37 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I just don't think it's worth making a fuss over. Feels like people will take anything he says and criticise him for it at the moment. It's because Johnson divides opinion and our form is patchy. If Chris Wilder said it, I bet no Sheffield United fans would take any notice. 

I think the point is, he wouldn't.

21 minutes ago, Leveller said:

I suspect most people these days have a basic idea what yin and yang is about. It’s pretty widely used.

Those that mock this - and, often, any other non English phrase, with Del Boy quotes - are just showing up their ignorance.

As indeed are the press boys by spelling it as ying and yang.

But in the context of the remainder of the sentence, it makes no sense.

I find it quite amusing but concerning at the same time if that's indicative of how he addresses the players.

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10 minutes ago, NickJ said:

I think the point is, he wouldn't.

But in the context of the remainder of the sentence, it makes no sense.

I find it quite amusing but concerning at the same time if that's indicative of how he addresses the players.

Well who knows about Wilder but you see my point; it's about form/likability in general. I think it's pretty clear what LJ was saying and people worry about it all too much and latch onto things.

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The grammar he uses isn't the best.

However...it's not rocket science to work out what he means.

He's looking for balance. A mixture of flair and steely determination.

Not too much either way...hence the Ying and Yang phrase.

No wonder other fans call us Wurzels and Carrot crunchers 🙄...it's easy to understand..it's just a little poetic licence.

As for terminology in coaching...he will use phrases that the players will understand and are used to. Phrases used in football all the time whilst coaching and being coached.

It's the same as any work environment...you use terminology akin to that practice. Be it Engineering, Surveying etc etc.

You use what's appropriate to what's being asked, and it will often be words that describe an action quickly, to get the point across succinctly, without having to be long winded and describe it to the players. They will be shown that early doors, then have it ingrained.

Say for example...'work on overloading the flanks and pressing the Full backs'.

The players know what that means...not everyone else does.

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5 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I understand that due to the Coronavirus the Chinese League has been dissolved and we’ve signed two lads that were out of contract

Both small, neat busy bees and our new midfield pairing 

 

 

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On a serious note he does like to make public his ‘dilemmas’ behind team selections , far more than any other manager I’ve known , they are indeed normal dilemmas than any manager has building or selecting a side, compromises and decisions , - I’m intrigued why he has to keep being so public about them  - most who know anything about football understand this
 

A defence mechanism/shield against fans criticisms (The complexities of my job)   ?

or
 

An inadvertent indication of how much he is constantly battling with such thought processes

 

For media purposes he could have said

 ‘I have to weigh up options , but I’ll be picking a side to ,hopefully win the game ‘

 

Id  suggest that if we have a real prospect of the Play Offs we need to do so with momentum and a degree of consistency in selection and,  personally I’d be basing my selections for the remainder of the season around a favoured formation and my favoured team to ideally start 

From there I’d tweak tactically or occasionally selection wise , but if we continue to tinker with everything on a match to match , (Plus constant in game changes) we will fall short.

Time to stick to a plan Lee , even if it’s initially , just for the forthcoming 12 games

 

@Shtanley Bob has summed up what I was trying to explain to you on Saturday, in that sometimes he is too open, too informative.

The ying and the yang of Johnson I guess 🤣🤣

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4 hours ago, Peter1450 said:

Why would you consider waffle to be “coaching terminology “, just trying to be too clever for his own good and that’s why people pick up on it.

  Maybe with some straight talking coaching the squad would have an idea of what’s required to put in some kind of cohesive performance.

Waffle was what LJ came up with at Senior Reds when asked directly to describe our ‘identity’...............:cool2:

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1 hour ago, NickJ said:

I think the point is, he wouldn't.

But in the context of the remainder of the sentence, it makes no sense.

I find it quite amusing but concerning at the same time if that's indicative of how he addresses the players.

As you don’t understand what LJ is saying, go on this thread to #42 .  Spudski explains it in relatively simple terms.

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14 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Waffle was what LJ came up with at Senior Reds when asked directly to describe our ‘identity’............…:cool2:

Waffling is being evasive.

Coaching terminology is not.  

 

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18 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Waffling is being evasive.

Coaching terminology is not.  

 

That’s pretty much what I’m saying Cowshed...............:cool2:

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17 minutes ago, Robbored said:

That’s pretty much what I’m saying Cowshed...............:cool2:

I misread your post to indicate that the following in this instance was coaching terminology waffle.

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/johnson-seeking-the-right-balance/

It’s the Ying and the Yang versus the release of the attacking players, quality and flare more importantly, versus the steel…we have missed that in the last couple of games. That’s there for everybody to see but somebody has got to take that mantle.”

This is not coaching terminology. Coaching terminology should spark an instant understanding from those receiving it. On the training pitch the response would be less than instant. 

Off the training pitch it might mean something to players.

 

 

 

 

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