mossey Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Hi, This has been mentioned and talked about at our home games, by quite a few fans sitting around me, but why are our fullbacks or defenders always standing so far away from the wide player? Just seen the highlights from the Huddersfield game, and I feel first goal came about because of this, guy out wide had time to receive, control the ball, cut inside, and have a shot, this is not the first time this has happened. What ever happened to getting close to a player, marking tight, and not giving the player enough space to be able to run at defence, is this all down to the way they are now coached? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, mossey said: Hi, This has been mentioned and talked about at our home games, by quite a few fans sitting around me, but why are our fullbacks or defenders always standing so far away from the wide player? Just seen the highlights from the Huddersfield game, and I feel first goal came about because of this, guy out wide had time to receive, control the ball, cut inside, and have a shot, this is not the first time this has happened. What ever happened to getting close to a player, marking tight, and not giving the player enough space to be able to run at defence, is this all down to the way they are now coached? It’s a team plan / coach instruction mossey Narrrow back 4 out of possession The theory is ‘if they get space wide and get crosses in , we can deal with that ‘ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 29 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: It’s a team plan / coach instruction mossey Narrrow back 4 out of possession The theory is ‘if they get space wide and get crosses in , we can deal with that ‘ Which is bizarre, because against Derby we were cruising and 2 goals came from us not being able to deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 It's been like this ever since LJ took over. I guess his coaching team think this is the best tactic. I remember 3 seasons ago watching us sit narrow and allow cross after cross to come in. Meanwhile getting shut down at the other end and struggling to get a cross in ourselves. It struck me as odd then but I've got used to it being our 'identity' now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 I hate this part of his tactics, it works for some teams but they employ full backs with a lot of pace and very high fitness levels so that they can close down the space when needed. The goal yesterday just proved that our full backs are not suited to this role. The other thing that winds me up is our passing it around at the back until it goes back to Bentley or one of our CB's who then have to lump it because they're under so much pressure. We can't keep doing that as it means the opposition get the ball back and pass it about which in turn makes our lads have to work harder. Essentially we're our own biggest enemy, we chase the ball so much that we get tired both physically and mentally as defending for the majority of the match is highly stressful. Teams who dominate games do so by wearing the other team down, not by scoring a goal or two and then trying to soak up the pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 I've noticed that most teams employ these tactics. It has become a normal coaching standard for years. I first remember seeing us use it when Benny Lennartsson took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 All full backs come inside close to their centre backs and leave gaps on the wings, if that's what the op means. People near me used to shout at Joe Bryan and Mark Little for it. When in fact the positioning was spot on. A full back does not go all the way over to the winger to mark them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Look how easily teams cut through us when we're narrow, imagine how bad it'd be if we weren't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 its how they have been instructed to play, stay tight sit back and wait for a mistake, Kalas said as much on commentary, It stifles creativity and is the cause of the poor perfomances, 1 man is to blame for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, JonDolman said: All full backs come inside close to their centre backs and leave gaps on the wings, if that's what the op means. People near me used to shout at Joe Bryan and Mark Little for it. When in fact the positioning was spot on. A full back does not go all the way over to the winger to mark them. Spot on, you don’t get tight to a wide man, simply because this opens you up for the ball to be played inside of you. But, Dasilva in particular is awful at stopping crosses from coming in, he doesn’t get tight in situations where he should be and can be, I’ve never seen a full back be less interested in stopping a cross coming in than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, JonDolman said: All full backs come inside close to their centre backs and leave gaps on the wings, if that's what the op means. People near me used to shout at Joe Bryan and Mark Little for it. When in fact the positioning was spot on. A full back does not go all the way over to the winger to mark them. You are correct, but what full backs do is not back off until they are basically in the 6 yard box and then allow the cross. Which is what our full backs do. Like you say most teams do not close the winger tight when they are out wide, and allow the cross as frankly crosses from wide are a very inneficient way to create chances and thus goals. However what they do not do is back off constantly and allow the winger to run at them, it doesn't matter how good you are as a full back once your winger is running at you and in the box you have massive problems, ala Derby's 2nd goal which was awful defending from Hunt who allowed Tom Lawrence to run at him and just backed off and off until he had a simple 4/5 yard pass to the striker in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 The best back four we had was when we played Wright, Flint, Baker, Magnússon. Four defensive central defenders who left the attacking to others. Full Backs are defenders, not wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Seems an odd approach to me given that once they're in the box it's much harder to challenge without giving away a pen than it used to be and that nowadays most teams have at least one sitting midfielder who can help if a full back goes to challenge a wide player. I know crosses aren't generally that dangerous but I'd want them challenged outside the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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