Prinny Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 So I'm okay by Gregor hiding behind the fans comments and questions. He will of course say it's his job to ask what the fans want. We all know he has a relationship with the club to maintain and I appreciate that he asks these for us, even if there should be room for a journalist to be brave enough to ask questions himself. A culture of fear at Ashton gate? Certainly in the media room! Most interesting thing in the master of saying nothing press conference (I have no issue with Holden doing his on to Cincinnati impression) came when we get back to the identity question. "What is the identity on the pitch?" 5:13 "Well the gaffer uses the term "busy bees", hustling the opposition, energetic, showing as they say that passion on the pitch, you know getting the ball and playing in good areas of the pitch, getting the crowd out of their seat and making things happen. Ultimately that's what we're about and that's what we're going to get back to." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Holden is a boring wankpuffin who says nothing at all - he might as well not bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstart Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Regretfully our 'busy bees' identify is actually coming over as headless chickens at the mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weymouth red Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Masters of bullshit I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, Prinny said: So I'm okay by Gregor hiding behind the fans comments and questions. He will of course say it's his job to ask what the fans want. We all know he has a relationship with the club to maintain and I appreciate that he asks these for us, even if there should be room for a journalist to be brave enough to ask questions himself. A culture of fear at Ashton gate? Certainly in the media room! Most interesting thing in the master of saying nothing press conference (I have no issue with Holden doing his on to Cincinnati impression) came when we get back to the identity question. "What is the identity on the pitch?" 5:13 "Well the gaffer uses the term "busy bees", hustling the opposition, energetic, showing as they say that passion on the pitch, you know getting the ball and playing in good areas of the pitch, getting the crowd out of their seat and making things happen. Ultimately that's what we're about and that's what we're going to get back to." Yep , Williams, Benkovic, Henriksen ...all the epitome of ‘ busy bees ‘... In short , no idea what the actual ‘ identity ‘ is . Clever move by GM I thought, ensuring he keeps readers and club sweet . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 If holden is partially responsible for the motivation of the players then if that interview is anything to go by then its no great surprise we have no spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med/MadHatter Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 I fell asleep watching that! Platitudes, clichèd and banal, that could describe the coaching team too. I just wish that they could be more honest, they would be far more respected by the fans at large Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 35 minutes ago, Prinny said: So I'm okay by Gregor hiding behind the fans comments and questions. He will of course say it's his job to ask what the fans want. We all know he has a relationship with the club to maintain and I appreciate that he asks these for us, even if there should be room for a journalist to be brave enough to ask questions himself. A culture of fear at Ashton gate? Certainly in the media room! Most interesting thing in the master of saying nothing press conference (I have no issue with Holden doing his on to Cincinnati impression) came when we get back to the identity question. "What is the identity on the pitch?" 5:13 "Well the gaffer uses the term "busy bees", hustling the opposition, energetic, showing as they say that passion on the pitch, you know getting the ball and playing in good areas of the pitch, getting the crowd out of their seat and making things happen. Ultimately that's what we're about and that's what we're going to get back to." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 He never really answered any question , just typical . We all care blah blah blah. one answer I did laugh at , the identity question. Busy bees we haven’t played like that for two years ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 ****** hell what a load of bollox. This club is in a mess! Never heard so much crap at a Presser. Actually, that is not right, Johnson is even worse at Pressers. We are taken for mugs by this lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 46 minutes ago, Prinny said: "What is the identity on the pitch?" 5:13 "Well the gaffer uses the term "busy bees", hustling the opposition, energetic, showing as they say that passion on the pitch, so our identity is playing like a load of school kids. Ultimately this “tactic” is about stopping the opposition rather than forcing our play onto the opposition. No wonder we barely get shots on target. you know getting the ball and playing in good areas of the pitch, fail getting the crowd out of their seat and making things happen. fail Ultimately that's what we're about and that's what we're going to get back to." "What is the identity on the pitch?" 5:13 "Well the gaffer uses the term "busy bees", hustling the opposition, energetic, showing as they say that passion on the pitch, so our identity is playing like a load of school kids. Ultimately this “tactic” is about stopping the opposition rather than forcing our play onto the opposition. No wonder we barely get shots on target. you know getting the ball and playing in good areas of the pitch, fail getting the crowd out of their seat and making things happen. fail Ultimately that's what we're about and that's what we're going to get back to." Well, I’d rather you didn’t actually. If that is our identity then they really have run out of ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said: ****** hell what a load of bollox. This club is in a mess! Never heard so much crap at a Presser. Actually, that is not right, Johnson is even worse at Pressers. We are taken for mugs by this lot. So Holden gets thrown under the bus by LJ. I felt sorry for him. Johnson should have taken that. I'm not saying we'd have any the wiser, but the BS would have been much more eloquent, LJ is a public speaker, Holden obviously ain't ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperRed Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Does anyone know if it’s common for other managers to have their assistants do press conferences before some games? Genuine question as I have no idea. That said, I would expect Johnson to be fronting up to the questions at a time like this. Some might say that he did the press conference after the game on Tuesday and it’s good to hear a different voice but I don’t particular care what Holden has to say at this moment as he’s not ultimately responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox6060 Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: He never really answered any question , just typical . We all care blah blah blah. one answer I did laugh at , the identity question. Busy bees we haven’t played like that for two years ffs That's exactly what I thought, he didn't answer any of those questions just took the easy option...we focus on the next match ...poor interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Holden doesn’t tend to give much away does he? Pretty blunt and cliche answers. Not sure you can take that interview seriously in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, SuperRed said: Does anyone know if it’s common for other managers to have their assistants do press conferences before some games? Genuine question as I have no idea. That said, I would expect Johnson to be fronting up to the questions at a time like this. Some might say that he did the press conference after the game on Tuesday and it’s good to hear a different voice but I don’t particular care what Holden has to say at this moment as he’s not ultimately responsible. With any luck LJ was busy packing up his trophies, ready for a hasty departure when he gets taught another lesson in tactics at the Den Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Normally I'm quite cynical but I don't see anything wrong in that. 1. Good on McGregor asking tricky questions. The wry smiles from Holden said it all. 2. Holden coped well. Calm and measured answers. Didn't trip up or get annoyed with the negative slant. 3. The identity explanation was better than anything LJ has presented so far. It still stopped way short of what we want, but at least I understand that we're supposed to be an energetic, front foot team with technical ability on the ball, which hasn't been evident in games for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 It's a very revealing interview. Good questions that were answered with generic answers. If you've had any dealings with body language, which I've had with giving interviews, the questions that reveal are smirks, smiles, moving side to side on seat, and scratching nose and mouth after answering. The identity question was revealing...as he put it on what LJ says, rather than what the coaching staff or club believe. Tbh...that's the first interview I've watched in LJs tenure, that's left me thinking they've got to a level and it's reached their summit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, spudski said: It's a very revealing interview. Good questions that were answered with generic answers. If you've had any dealings with body language, which I've had with giving interviews, the questions that reveal are smirks, smiles, moving side to side on seat, and scratching nose and mouth after answering. The identity question was revealing...as he put it on what LJ says, rather than what the coaching staff or club believe. Tbh...that's the first interview I've watched in LJs tenure, that's left me thinking they've got to a level and it's reached their summit. how he sits back in his chair at one point. Poor chap I like Dean, he has been put on the spot here. Surely he would've been briefed beforehand? How the hell can the players know what is going on if the coaches don't… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, spudski said: It's a very revealing interview. Good questions that were answered with generic answers. If you've had any dealings with body language, which I've had with giving interviews, the questions that reveal are smirks, smiles, moving side to side on seat, and scratching nose and mouth after answering. The identity question was revealing...as he put it on what LJ says, rather than what the coaching staff or club believe. Tbh...that's the first interview I've watched in LJs tenure, that's left me thinking they've got to a level and it's reached their summit. What I saw from that interview was a coach who is smarting from the last three results, particularly the abysmal first half at Huddersfield and he came across as somewhat defensive. He did his best to present in confident fashion but he didn’t succeed in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Matty_Taylor_is_god said: Like last season when we won there you mean? There’s always one! It’s not about the Den as such, just our recent form! I would love to see us win! I never want us to lose- that why I don’t like-want-respect-trust LJ! What’s wrong with expecting better? Even the players are not enjoying what they are being subjected to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 I saw a coach who had no idea what to say, and isn't blessed with the gift of the gab. He's a good chap and probably too honest, not easy to blag your way through something like that. He offered no tactical insight at all - he is one of the coaches FGS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 As i said before "actions speak louder than words". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Prinny said: So I'm okay by Gregor hiding behind the fans comments and questions. He will of course say it's his job to ask what the fans want. We all know he has a relationship with the club to maintain and I appreciate that he asks these for us, even if there should be room for a journalist to be brave enough to ask questions himself. A culture of fear at Ashton gate? Certainly in the media room! Most interesting thing in the master of saying nothing press conference (I have no issue with Holden doing his on to Cincinnati impression) came when we get back to the identity question. "What is the identity on the pitch?" 5:13 "Well the gaffer uses the term "busy bees", hustling the opposition, energetic, showing as they say that passion on the pitch, you know getting the ball and playing in good areas of the pitch, getting the crowd out of their seat and making things happen. Ultimately that's what we're about and that's what we're going to get back to." Absolutely clueless. Please can the powers that be remove this completely incompetent coaching set up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 41 minutes ago, Robbored said: What I saw from that interview was a coach who is smarting from the last three results, particularly the abysmal first half at Huddersfield and he came across as somewhat defensive. He did his best to present in confident fashion but he didn’t succeed in my view. As soon as I heard from the interviewer that these are questions from fans, you saw the unease. Fidgeting, uneasy laughter and smiles looking for assurance in the room. It stinks of...' go on then, if I have to, just to appease, what do they know...if I must'. The whole body language after mentioning fans tells a story...watch the movement, facial reaction, laughing and nose and mouth handling after mentioning fans. It's a tell tell sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Meh said: Holden is a boring wankpuffin who says nothing at all - he might as well not bother. I love the word "Wankpuffin". That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med/MadHatter Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, dave36 said: With any luck LJ was busy packing up his trophies, ready for a hasty departure when he gets taught another lesson in tactics at the Den They must be participation trophies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, spudski said: It's a very revealing interview. Good questions that were answered with generic answers. If you've had any dealings with body language, which I've had with giving interviews, the questions that reveal are smirks, smiles, moving side to side on seat, and scratching nose and mouth after answering. The identity question was revealing...as he put it on what LJ says, rather than what the coaching staff or club believe. Tbh...that's the first interview I've watched in LJs tenure, that's left me thinking they've got to a level and it's reached their summit. The way I see it is that if you have to ask what the identity is then there isn't one! I've also noticed that the players tend to spout the same management mantra in interviews - nothing is particularly enlightening. I'm just glad JFK didn't task the City management with getting to the moon. Although it might have have made the statement 'we're not where we want to be' a bit more understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 ‘Four defeats in five, can you put your finger on why that is?’ ’Well, I’m not a great believer in looking at the past’. Brilliant. That’s that sorted then, glad we’ve got our best man on the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Well the gaffer uses the term busy bees. Only our bees are not busy. And when the opposition comes forward .. Their retreating bees. They stand off the opposition. When they opposition get in crossing positions. No hustling the man on the ball. Our bees retreat to the hive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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