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Lew-T

The Similarities - Junior and Senior

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Got to say, I’m seeing the similarities of the two a lot more in the last 12-18 months. The place has gone stale it’s starting to feel like the end of the GJ era again. The recent rumour of dressing room bust ups is the last piece to match. 

Poor performance after poor performance, grinding out the odd 1-0 win despite being outplayed for the majority of the match. Many clubs in the bag but failing to utilise them, and now the rumours are escalating of a dressing room bust up. 

What’s worse though is that ‘the clubs’ that GJ had at his disposal were far worse than what we have now.

 

 

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Said it yesterday mate. As much as I hate to say it, he's a dead man walking. Yesterday's team made it obvious what has happened. When it gets that bad between players and manager, unfortunately it's hard to recover from. 

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I think Gary knew his limitations, where he’d come from.

And?

 

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1 hour ago, FramptonRed said:

The trouble is, I dont think Lee does (know his limitations)

Hardly a fault though. Not sure you'd go far in the game by believing you're not up to it.

Nothing wrong with confidence.

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9 minutes ago, Matty_Taylor_is_god said:

Went well when we got rid of GJ didn’t it...

It was bizarre in hindsight because we about 10th but the place was flat and uninspiring - a bit like now 

Poor recruitment of players didn’t help 

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46 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

It was bizarre in hindsight because we about 10th but the place was flat and uninspiring - a bit like now 

Poor recruitment of players didn’t help 

We had a good finish to the season under Millen as caretaker. Then Coppell was brought it and the next 4 years were vile...

David James and Nicky Hunt... What a transfer window (thank god for Adomah) 

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58 minutes ago, Matty_Taylor_is_god said:

Went well when we got rid of GJ didn’t it...

I worry that we are about to be left with a high cost, un-motivated squad, in cosy club, who have peaked and are about to descend  like a few years ago.

Its a worry, it’s not fact, it isn’t definitely gonna happen, just see signs that it could if we aren’t careful.  I’m not saying it was Gary’s  reign that started it, just things can build momentum.

How can I feel so flat when we are 7th in the Championship?  Why do others feel that way?  That’s not right to me.

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6 hours ago, Lew-T said:

Got to say, I’m seeing the similarities of the two a lot more in the last 12-18 months. The place has gone stale it’s starting to feel like the end of the GJ era again. The recent rumour of dressing room bust ups is the last piece to match. 

Poor performance after poor performance, grinding out the odd 1-0 win despite being outplayed for the majority of the match. Many clubs in the bag but failing to utilise them, and now the rumours are escalating of a dressing room bust up. 

What’s worse though is that ‘the clubs’ that GJ had at his disposal were far worse than what we have now.

 

 

There's a big difference though we were slipping near the relegation zone when GJ left not just outside the playoffs

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14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I worry that we are about to be left with a high cost, un-motivated squad, in cosy club, who have peaked and are about to descend  like a few years ago.

Its a worry, it’s not fact, it isn’t definitely gonna happen, just see signs that it could if we aren’t careful.  I’m not saying it was Gary’s  reign that started it, just things can build momentum.

How can I feel so flat when we are 7th in the Championship?  Why do others feel that way?  That’s not right to me.

Think you’ve just expressed the thoughts of a large section of our support

Keep asking myself the same

Two words keep coming back for me mate

 

‘ Wasting opportunities ‘

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17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I worry that we are about to be left with a high cost, un-motivated squad, in cosy club, who have peaked and are about to descend  like a few years ago.

Its a worry, it’s not fact, it isn’t definitely gonna happen, just see signs that it could if we aren’t careful.  I’m not saying it was Gary’s  reign that started it, just things can build momentum.

How can I feel so flat when we are 7th in the Championship?  Why do others feel that way?  That’s not right to me.

If we lose Eliasson and Diedhiou at the end of the season as seems likely it's hard to be optimistic about next year. I understand the reasons for our transfer policy but it means the best signings move on fairly quickly but we're stuck with the rest

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34 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Think you’ve just expressed the thoughts of a large section of our support

Keep asking myself the same

Two words keep coming back for me mate

 

‘ Wasting opportunities ‘

You've no idea what large sections of our support think.

Don't confuse the usual small vocal minority on OTIB with "large section of our support".

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26 minutes ago, Chivs said:

You've no idea what large sections of our support think.

Don't confuse the usual small vocal minority on OTIB with "large section of our support".

And you do 🤣

I can honestly say I don’t know any single supporter who isn’t cheesed off to whatever degree 

It’s only some of the anonymous on here 

‘Vocal Minority’ - You are deluded

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5 minutes ago, Chivs said:

You've no idea what large sections of our support think.

Don't confuse the usual small vocal minority on OTIB with "large section of our support".

Again, can't really prove your argument either, that is unless you know thousands of BCFC fans personally.

I know i don't.

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1 minute ago, adamski said:

The one area I think they compare in is around getting the midfield right, or not getting it right!

GJ went from loving wingers to hating wingers, I seem to remember.

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7 hours ago, Lew-T said:

Got to say, I’m seeing the similarities of the two a lot more in the last 12-18 months. The place has gone stale it’s starting to feel like the end of the GJ era again. The recent rumour of dressing room bust ups is the last piece to match. 

Poor performance after poor performance, grinding out the odd 1-0 win despite being outplayed for the majority of the match. Many clubs in the bag but failing to utilise them, and now the rumours are escalating of a dressing room bust up. 

What’s worse though is that ‘the clubs’ that GJ had at his disposal were far worse than what we have now.

 

 

One of the main reasons that LJ gets the backing he does is because SL didn’t back his manager when players went over him. Thus LJ has been backed like no other. But surely the end is nigh if we don’t pick up quickly. 

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I worry that we are about to be left with a high cost, un-motivated squad, in cosy club, who have peaked and are about to descend  like a few years ago.

Its a worry, it’s not fact, it isn’t definitely gonna happen, just see signs that it could if we aren’t careful.  I’m not saying it was Gary’s  reign that started it, just things can build momentum.

How can I feel so flat when we are 7th in the Championship?  Why do others feel that way?  That’s not right to me.

Which is precisely why SL needs to bring in a top coach to lift the club and get the players playing to their full potential.

SL has put his money where his mouth is and backed his man now LJ needs to deliver or the owner must show the world that promotion is the genuine ambition for BCFC and not just pay it lip service. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I worry that we are about to be left with a high cost, un-motivated squad, in cosy club, who have peaked and are about to descend  like a few years ago.

Its a worry, it’s not fact, it isn’t definitely gonna happen, just see signs that it could if we aren’t careful.  I’m not saying it was Gary’s  reign that started it, just things can build momentum.

How can I feel so flat when we are 7th in the Championship?  Why do others feel that way?  That’s not right to me.

You feel flat because three weeks ago we could have gone second with Leeds and have a good chance of automatic promotion. However we are now 7th with loads of clubs breathing down our necks and imploding all over the field, throwing away our chances like we did twice in the last two seasons. 
 

We have been here before and it feels like here we go again having spent more money than any of us could even imagine. 
 

Hope that helps!

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2 hours ago, Matty_Taylor_is_god said:

Went well when we got rid of GJ didn’t it...

Only because he himself left the playing side in a right mess. He did the same at Yeovil. He’s a here and now manager, no foundations are built wherever he goes. 

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I worry that we are about to be left with a high cost, un-motivated squad, in cosy club, who have peaked and are about to descend  like a few years ago.

Its a worry, it’s not fact, it isn’t definitely gonna happen, just see signs that it could if we aren’t careful.  I’m not saying it was Gary’s  reign that started it, just things can build momentum.

How can I feel so flat when we are 7th in the Championship?  Why do others feel that way?  That’s not right to me.

Because we are dreading that the memories are creating a serious case of deja vu!

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3 hours ago, Chivs said:

You've no idea what large sections of our support think.

Don't confuse the usual small vocal minority on OTIB with "large section of our support".

There's not a single person that I speak to (10-15people) who aren't either dismayed, disillusioned, angry, fed up, or a combination of them all, at the type of football LJ is serving up at Ashton Gate. Only one of those is a poster on this forum, in fact, in my opinion, there is a disproportionate amount of LJ supporters using this forum than in reality.

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4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I worry that we are about to be left with a high cost, un-motivated squad, in cosy club, who have peaked and are about to descend  like a few years ago.

Its a worry, it’s not fact, it isn’t definitely gonna happen, just see signs that it could if we aren’t careful.  I’m not saying it was Gary’s  reign that started it, just things can build momentum.

How can I feel so flat when we are 7th in the Championship?  Why do others feel that way?  That’s not right to me.

I think Dave you may be feeling that way because the inevitable is about to happen and, I feel that way too,

- we miss out on the top 6 but not by much

- the official line is that it has been a good season, progress etc etc

- we have a huge turnover of players in the summer

- we all get excited about our ‘potential ‘

- good start to 20/21

- streaky negative results in late autumn / early winter 

- mixed results from there

- top 8/9/ 10 finish

 

RINSE and REPEAT 

We need a change, we truly do.

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3 hours ago, REDOXO said:

You feel flat because three weeks ago we could have gone second with Leeds and have a good chance of automatic promotion. However we are now 7th with loads of clubs breathing down our necks and imploding all over the field, throwing away our chances like we did twice in the last two seasons. 
 

We have been here before and it feels like here we go again having spent more money than any of us could even imagine. 
 

Hope that helps!

I agree 100%.

The thing that really gets to me is that it is in all probability going to be the same situation in 12 months.

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I’m yet to see a good nomination for a replacement for LJ should he go. 
 

as others have said- be careful what you wish for, and don’t be surprised it’s an internal appointment to replace should LJ go. 
 

 

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2 minutes ago, ohhhshauntaylor said:

don’t be surprised it’s an internal appointment to replace should LJ go. 

 

 

I would be surprised if it wasn't.

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13 hours ago, Lew-T said:

Got to say, I’m seeing the similarities of the two a lot more in the last 12-18 months. The place has gone stale it’s starting to feel like the end of the GJ era again. The recent rumour of dressing room bust ups is the last piece to match. 

Poor performance after poor performance, grinding out the odd 1-0 win despite being outplayed for the majority of the match. Many clubs in the bag but failing to utilise them, and now the rumours are escalating of a dressing room bust up. 

What’s worse though is that ‘the clubs’ that GJ had at his disposal were far worse than what we have now.

 

 

Got that bang on mate.

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7 hours ago, ashton_fan said:

There's a big difference though we were slipping near the relegation zone when GJ left not just outside the playoffs

Weren’t we comfortably mid table when GJ left in March 2010? Then we finished 10th that season ....

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37 minutes ago, ohhhshauntaylor said:

I’m yet to see a good nomination for a replacement for LJ should he go. 
 

as others have said- be careful what you wish for, and don’t be surprised it’s an internal appointment to replace should LJ go. 
 

 

I’d say Warnock or McCarthy for 10 games. Short-term contract to end of Season with massive promotion bonus. 

Then review.

It’s all about balance of probabilities. LJ could pull yet another rabbit out and we go on another winning run. The problem is we seem to be at such a low ebb, is that likely? Even if we went on a run and somehow won the play-offs are we anywhere near a Premiership side? Are we likely ever to have a Premiership-ready side with LJ in charge? 

My view, throwing the dice now with an experienced manager just could provide the bounce to change our fortunes. 

 

Would be absolutely amazed if SL went for it though.

Whether SL is prepared to watch another season of mind-numbing dull, negative, anti-football is another matter. 

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13 hours ago, Lew-T said:

Got to say, I’m seeing the similarities of the two a lot more in the last 12-18 months. The place has gone stale it’s starting to feel like the end of the GJ era again. The recent rumour of dressing room bust ups is the last piece to match. 

Poor performance after poor performance, grinding out the odd 1-0 win despite being outplayed for the majority of the match. Many clubs in the bag but failing to utilise them, and now the rumours are escalating of a dressing room bust up. 

What’s worse though is that ‘the clubs’ that GJ had at his disposal were far worse than what we have now.

 

 

Another similarity, for me, is the rotating transfers, lots of ins and outs but most are just like for like, not improving us and not creating stability.
There’s plenty of evidence: The fact he’s had to go back to Paterson who he bombed out and has already dropped all his January signings (within a month!) AND the Kasey Palmer thing.... I could go on....

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38 minutes ago, ohhhshauntaylor said:

I’m yet to see a good nomination for a replacement for LJ should he go. 
 

as others have said- be careful what you wish for, and don’t be surprised it’s an internal appointment to replace should LJ go. 
 

 

Adkins, Robins, Hughton, Schmidt, Poyet, Di Matteo, Sanchez Flores, McCarthy, McDermott. 

All options. 

Personally I would get Darren Moore off of Donny's hand. But thats just my heart, not my head. 

Did a cracking job at WBA considering, still dont understand why the sacked him. 

Has proven he can man manage, and doing well at former currently. 

Head says Roger Schmidt. Do I think we're that ambitious? No. 

Nice to dream tho. 

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2 minutes ago, RedRock said:

I’d say Warnock or McCarthy for 10 games. Short-term contract to end of Season with massive promotion bonus. 

Then review.

It’s all about balance of probabilities. LJ could pull yet another rabbit out and we go on another winning run. The problem is we seem to be at such a low ebb, is that likely? Even if we went on a run and somehow won the play-offs are we anywhere near a Premiership side? Are we likely ever to have a Premiership-ready side with LJ in charge? 

My view, throwing the dice now with an experienced manager could, just could provide the bounce to change our fortunes. 

 

Would be absolutely amazed if SL went for it though.

Whether SL is prepared to watch another season of mind-numbing dull, negative, anti-football is another matter. 

Agree.... it needs a quick shot in the arm and purposeful senses of direction. Warnock is the man but there are others...

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2 minutes ago, Fuber said:

Adkins, Robins, Hughton, Schmidt, Poyet, Di Matteo, Sanchez Flores, McCarthy, McDermott. 

All options. 

Personally I would get Darren Moore off of Donny's hand. But thats just my heart, not my head. 

Did a cracking job at WBA considering, still dont understand why the sacked him. 

Has proven he can man manage, and doing well at former currently. 

All good suggestions. 
Robins is interesting, I was thinking this yesterday.... ex-City and seems a bit of a Lansdown type. 

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3 minutes ago, Mendip City said:

All good suggestions. 
Robins is interesting, I was thinking this yesterday.... ex-City and seems a bit of a Lansdown type. 

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Resemblance?

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For me it would be out of Mark Robin's, Adkins, Jackett and Clough. Clough played some great stuff when he was at Derby and what he has achieved with burton is incredible. 

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47 minutes ago, RedRock said:

I’d say Warnock or McCarthy for 10 games. Short-term contract to end of Season with massive promotion bonus. 

Then review.

It’s all about balance of probabilities. LJ could pull yet another rabbit out and we go on another winning run. The problem is we seem to be at such a low ebb, is that likely? Even if we went on a run and somehow won the play-offs are we anywhere near a Premiership side? Are we likely ever to have a Premiership-ready side with LJ in charge? 

My view, throwing the dice now with an experienced manager just could provide the bounce to change our fortunes. 

 

Would be absolutely amazed if SL went for it though.

Whether SL is prepared to watch another season of mind-numbing dull, negative, anti-football is another matter. 

I don't think he even watches it.

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31 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

For me it would be out of Mark Robin's, Adkins, Jackett and Clough. Clough played some great stuff when he was at Derby and what he has achieved with burton is incredible. 

Cough is a great shout. cant imagine he’d be a yes man. Not unless something went dramatically wrong in the old genes!

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16 hours ago, Matty_Taylor_is_god said:

Went well when we got rid of GJ didn’t it...

Do you honestly believe it went badly because Gary Johnson left?

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17 hours ago, Matty_Taylor_is_god said:

Went well when we got rid of GJ didn’t it...

Mainly because Millen, McInnes and O'Driscoll had bugger all to spend following Gary Johnson's tenure. 

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17 hours ago, Matty_Taylor_is_god said:

Went well when we got rid of GJ didn’t it...

I think people tend to forget that changing the manager is effectively rolling the dice. When you 7th or seen as a top 10 side, that roll of the dice give you less of a chance of improvement.   

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4 minutes ago, Badger08 said:

I think people tend to forget that changing the manager is effectively rolling the dice. When you 7th or seen as a top 10 side, that roll of the dice give you less of a chance of improvement.   

I think it gives you far more chance of improvement when “you roll the dice” It will bring back some fighting spirit, players having chance to voice their opinion and wouldn’t it be good if a new manager and the playing squad had chance to be locked down for 24 hours for team building and honest and open communication. I think then we would have chance of being in a top six position and the confidence to play some great football in the play offs.

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16 hours ago, Chivs said:

You've no idea what large sections of our support think.

Don't confuse the usual small vocal minority on OTIB with "large section of our support".

I tend to agree with you on what OTIB posters say and it not reflecting the general fan base.

As someone who generally supports LJ, this 'feels' different. I haven't gone to an away game for a long time, so the home form is all I'm seeing - there is no respite or feel good factor.

LJ has to sort out the home form because that is all the majority are seeing.

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10 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Weren’t we comfortably mid table when GJ left in March 2010? Then we finished 10th that season ....

No we were well into bottom half when GJ was sacked, only finsihed 10th as results dramatically improved when Millen took over, under him we won 5 games and only lost once.

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1 hour ago, ashton_fan said:

No we were well into bottom half when GJ was sacked, only finsihed 10th as results dramatically improved when Millen took over, under him we won 5 games and only lost once.

Just checked, we were in 15th place when GJ left us, 7 points from 7th place with 9 games to go. Wouldn’t call that “slipping towards relegation” on the face of it, but obviously if rumours were to be believed other bad stuff was going on behind the scenes, so it was probably time for him to go, just my opinion, cheers...

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Both are the best city managers we've had in my time watching city. (Since 94)

We regretted sacking GJ and we will regret sacking LJ, if Lansdown listens to the city fans again.

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