Tinmans Love Child Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 I’ve read a lot of posts about the likes of Millwall, Brentford, Preston and whoever else who are doing much better than us with a ‘fraction’ of our wage bill, but I wondered if somebody can actually quantify what that means? I thought our salaries were around £15k per week for the top earners. So if we are saying other clubs top earners are on a ‘fraction’ of our top earners, Im assuming by a fraction we mean a lot less, so are we talking 20% of our salaries I.e. top earners at say Millwall on £3k per week? That seems very low for Championship, even at the so called smaller clubs. Therefore is it just a myth, is the fraction actually a lot higher and therefore making a point about it is mid-leading or do they have smaller squads but pay those individuals more than average? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Two thirds. Three fifths. Seven ninths. Why can't you do the math? I was hopeless at math? Why do Septics say "math"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 51 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said: I’ve read a lot of posts about the likes of Millwall, Brentford, Preston and whoever else who are doing much better than us with a ‘fraction’ of our wage bill, but I wondered if somebody can actually quantify what that means? I thought our salaries were around £15k per week for the top earners. So if we are saying other clubs top earners are on a ‘fraction’ of our top earners, Im assuming by a fraction we mean a lot less, so are we talking 20% of our salaries I.e. top earners at say Millwall on £3k per week? That seems very low for Championship, even at the so called smaller clubs. Therefore is it just a myth, is the fraction actually a lot higher and therefore making a point about it is mid-leading or do they have smaller squads but pay those individuals more than average? When this issue is raised I am pretty sure people are referring to clubs' total wage bilsl. I came across this table, that was produced at the beginning of the season based on clubs' latest sets of accounts at that time, which was designed to show where clubs would expect to finish the season based on wage budget alone. While these figures seem to bear out the argument that Brentford are outperforming us, as they are operating on only 63% of our wage budget, they would also seem to comfier that as a club we are overachieving based on our wage budget compared to that of al other championship clubs. The final Championship table predicted based on wage bills 1: Stoke City £94.2m 2: West Brom £92.2m 3: Swansea City £90.7m 4: Huddersfield £62.6m 5: Fulham £54.3m 6: Middlesbrough £48.7m 7: Cardiff City £48.4m 8: Derby £40.4m 9: Birmingham £38.5m 10: Reading £35.3m 11: Leeds £31.3m 12: Hull £31.1m 13: QPR £30.6m 14: Sheff Wed £29.3m 15: Nottm Forest £27.7m 16: Bristol City £27.2m 17: Brentford £17.1m 18: Balckburn £16.7m 19: Preston £15m 20: Millwall £13.3m 21: Wigan £11.7m 22: Barnsley £10.6m 23: Charlton £10.2m 24: Luton £6.2m Figures based upon the most recent accounts published Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, downendcity said: When this issue is raised I am pretty sure people are referring to clubs' total wage bilsl. I came across this table, that was produced at the beginning of the season based on clubs' latest sets of accounts at that time, which was designed to show where clubs would expect to finish the season based on wage budget alone. While these figures seem to bear out the argument that Brentford are outperforming us, as they are operating on only 63% of our wage budget, they would also seem to comfier that as a club we are overachieving based on our wage budget compared to that of al other championship clubs. The final Championship table predicted based on wage bills 1: Stoke City £94.2m 2: West Brom £92.2m 3: Swansea City £90.7m 4: Huddersfield £62.6m 5: Fulham £54.3m 6: Middlesbrough £48.7m 7: Cardiff City £48.4m 8: Derby £40.4m 9: Birmingham £38.5m 10: Reading £35.3m 11: Leeds £31.3m 12: Hull £31.1m 13: QPR £30.6m 14: Sheff Wed £29.3m 15: Nottm Forest £27.7m 16: Bristol City £27.2m 17: Brentford £17.1m 18: Balckburn £16.7m 19: Preston £15m 20: Millwall £13.3m 21: Wigan £11.7m 22: Barnsley £10.6m 23: Charlton £10.2m 24: Luton £6.2m Figures based upon the most recent accounts published Bear in mind those figures are from 2018 (Appreciate these are the latest available figures) A Fair bit will have changed , including ours by a fair bit I’d suggest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted March 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Interesting, I think I take issue with some using our playing budget as a stick to beat us with when we dont beat Millwall, yet don’t mention it when we beat Derby, QPR, Cardiff, Hull, Reading etc. Surely you can’t have it both ways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTeamInBristol Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Tinmans Love Child said: I’ve read a lot of posts about the likes of Millwall, Brentford, Preston and whoever else who are doing much better than us with a ‘fraction’ of our wage bill, but I wondered if somebody can actually quantify what that means? I thought our salaries were around £15k per week for the top earners. So if we are saying other clubs top earners are on a ‘fraction’ of our top earners, Im assuming by a fraction we mean a lot less, so are we talking 20% of our salaries I.e. top earners at say Millwall on £3k per week? That seems very low for Championship, even at the so called smaller clubs. Therefore is it just a myth, is the fraction actually a lot higher and therefore making a point about it is mid-leading or do they have smaller squads but pay those individuals more than average? That's way off, some of our 'top' players were getting that 5+ years ago. Apparently Kalas' deal put his wages nearer 40k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said: Interesting, I think I take issue with some using our playing budget as a stick to beat us with when we dont beat Millwall, yet don’t mention it when we beat Derby, QPR, Cardiff, Hull, Reading etc. Surely you can’t have it both ways? That is fair. If as per @downendcity’s table league position was determined by wage bill, then you could argue we are doing rather well. But part of the reason is that several clubs have been poorly run that is not our fault though! The counter to it is “why are Brentford and Preston doing a smidge better on less resources”? That’s a league position related question. You then overlay that question with “together with an identity and playing style”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Bear in mind those figures are from 2018 (Appreciate these are the latest available figures) A Fair bit will have changed , including ours by a fair bit I’d suggest I did mention that these were the latest figures available at the time. Our wage budget will have increased and suspect so will that of other clubs like Brentford. At the same time some clubs' (mainly relegated premier league clubs) wage bills will have reduced as they get rid of big earners and those of promoted clubs will probably have increased. While the latest figures will probably indicate that we are still overachieving, compared to the championship as a whole and based on wage bill, it doesn't address issues such as the level and quality of our performances through much of this season. That's a trickier question, about getting the most out of our squad, but even so, with the championship being very tight around us, it does show that even though we might not like the way LJ is doing it just now, we are actually competing at the level of clubs with substantially more resource than us. That there are also a number of clubs with substantially more resource, in terms of wage budget, but who are performing massively worse than us, does perhaps point to what many fans suspect, i.e. it doesn't matter the quality or value of players in a squad, it is the ability of the manager/coach to translate that quality into quality and effectiveness of performance on the pitch that really makes the biggest difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red7 Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Moments of Pleasure said: Why do Septics say "math"? Is this true, @Septic Peg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, OneTeamInBristol said: That's way off, some of our 'top' players were getting that 5+ years ago. Apparently Kalas' deal put his wages nearer 40k a week. Our top earner last season was on £17k pw, aside from Diony who came in on £20k pw so it's not "way off" at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Our top earner last season was on £17k pw, aside from Diony who came in on £20k pw so it's not "way off" at all. Blimey, 20k pw for a pineapple that kept falling over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTeamInBristol Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Our top earner last season was on £17k pw, aside from Diony who came in on £20k pw so it's not "way off" at all. How do you know this? You sound very confident... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 6 hours ago, Red7 said: Is this true, @Septic Peg? I says Maths. Because I'm not American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 7 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Our top earner last season was on £17k pw, aside from Diony who came in on £20k pw so it's not "way off" at all. So Weimann “wasn’t stealing a living’ on £20k plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 10 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said: Blimey, 20k pw for a pineapple that kept falling over. He was ‘a bull’! Bullshit more like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 20 hours ago, OneTeamInBristol said: How do you know this? You sound very confident... Well known that KITR is very much ITK, I can’t believe Kalas is on 40k p/w, 25-30k p/w Would be more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPAZZA Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 Although this year we (Leeds) are closer to £40m we still have one of the lower Wage/Turnover ratios. As I’ve been saying all season, Bielsa and his team may cost a lot but it means we save on wages AND he adds value to players. Get a decent coach in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 16 hours ago, Septic Peg said: I says Maths. Because I'm not American. ..that sums you up perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 Wow if the average is £15,000 per week I was on one fifty second(th) of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 On 03/03/2020 at 10:40, WhistleHappy said: ..that sums you up perfectly. Cheers babs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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