DaveInSA Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Why can we not seem to retain possession from our own throw ins. Fulham’s goal came from a throw that we turned over possession. Seems such a simple thing to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 People mocked Liverpool when they brought in a specialist throw in coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Been arguing for months we should let the opposition take our throw-ins to cut out the middle man..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 I feel like we've NEVER been good at throw ins? I genuinely don't remember a prolonged period of time (in 25+ years) where we've run around and tried to create space consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCinNW6 Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Why does everyone stand still? It’s 101 stuff that we just can’t get right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 25 minutes ago, BCFCinNW6 said: Why does everyone stand still? It’s 101 stuff that we just can’t get right Because throwins are a small part of our general play - zero movement. Fulham a great example of how movement helps possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 When discussing Weimann someone said to me have I ever seen Weimann want the ball to his feet from a throw in? And the answer is no I haven't. I kept an eye on him today with throw ins and he walks away with his head down. That's one less player every time who we can throw it to. I think another problem is with throw ins is similar to our problem with passing it out the back. Too many players not on to pass to or throw to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 I agree.....there is never enough movement In addition we have no 'triangles' when trying to pass put of defence to mid-field.... Where have our basics gone? Even my 13 year old son realises this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Movement, movement, movement. It’s our biggest problem in general imo. No angles created, no showing to feet. Although I can think of 2 players that do show & that would be Naggy & Massengo, although often it’s thrown towards their midriff! Feet & back, quite a simple concept. Give your teammate the opportunity to pass the ball back with one touch, now there’s a noble idea. Basics that I was taught when I was about 12 I would imagine. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghornred Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 A simple scissor movement will find space and make sure that we don't loose possession so often, it just means one player running in one direction and another running in the other direction,not rocket science ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Prinny said: I feel like we've NEVER been good at throw ins? I genuinely don't remember a prolonged period of time (in 25+ years) where we've run around and tried to create space consistently. I think today was the first time I’ve heard LJ criticising our throw ins, but we’ve never been particularly good at them except when Hörður Magnússon was in the team and that was only due to how far he could throw the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 We need to take throw ins quickly before the opposition have organised their marking. A long throw specialist would be helpful though. Otherwise movement is the key and was something we were lacking throughout the game. When in possession no one was making any runs or making themselves available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 2 hours ago, JonDolman said: When discussing Weimann someone said to me have I ever seen Weimann want the ball to his feet from a throw in? And the answer is no I haven't. I kept an eye on him today with throw ins and he walks away with his head down. That's one less player every time who we can throw it to. I think another problem is with throw ins is similar to our problem with passing it out the back. Too many players not on to pass to or throw to. It’s usually because the opposition plant someone in front of the receiver down the line. He’ll come short if he’s the inside player not the “down the line” target. As for throw-ins generally, today we were much better. We had better movement, because Pato / O’Dowda gave us fluidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 After the recent comments on here I actually looked out for what happened today and it seemed to depend on who the ball was thrown to. If it was COD or Pato something often happened but others not so much and we often lost the ball, It was the same with playing out from the back (which I am starting to get extremely annoyed by). When it`s just sent out to NB or TK it inevitably Fulham pressed us and we ended up in trouble so I don`t know why we persist with it all the time. The only time it worked today to any effect was when Pato came back into space on the left, got the ball thrown to him, and immediately ran at them creating a good chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It’s usually because the opposition plant someone in front of the receiver down the line. He’ll come short if he’s the inside player not the “down the line” target. As for throw-ins generally, today we were much better. We had better movement, because Pato / O’Dowda gave us fluidity. We must have been typing this at the same time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It’s usually because the opposition plant someone in front of the receiver down the line. He’ll come short if he’s the inside player not the “down the line” target. As for throw-ins generally, today we were much better. We had better movement, because Pato / O’Dowda gave us fluidity. Yeah if the ball is thrown for him to run on to. But I don't think I've ever seen him happy to receive a throw to feet when a player is on him. Something Fam does fairly regularly. I'm guessing he must have at some point. But he seems to love running onto things usually in space, but does really not seem to like the ball to his feet when an opposing player is close. I don't understand why he doesn't back himself to hold a player off and keep hold of the ball in such situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: After the recent comments on here I actually looked out for what happened today and it seemed to depend on who the ball was thrown to. If it was COD or Pato something often happened but others not so much and we often lost the ball, It was the same with playing out from the back (which I am starting to get extremely annoyed by). When it`s just sent out to NB or TK it inevitably Fulham pressed us and we ended up in trouble so I don`t know why we persist with it all the time. The only time it worked today to any effect was when Pato came back into space on the left, got the ball thrown to him, and immediately ran at them creating a good chance. The playing out the back has been awful all season. It's the shape we play in. We at times had 4 or even 5 players in their half and we were trying to pass it out when they had nearly half their team pressing us. I think I get what LJ might be planning. Don't have too many numbers back in our half so if we beat the press with the few we have, then we have numbers in the next phase to pass to. It is incredibly risky though. Whenever we do succeed in passing it into the opposing half, it often looks like we have done incredibly well to do so, as it looks too hard to do with how we set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicdaps Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 My son actually said to me today "why are we so bad at throw ins" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire Red Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 A few things could be improved: 1.Coaching ball boys to throw well when it's our ball and badly when it is with the opponents. 2. This extra time should give oppo less time to make well;as would more of runs (options) 3.Throw to feet unless for a headed flick on. I though ODowda was really good v Fulham but he always chests the ball upwards, making it harder to control. 4. Get a long throw to Fam's HEAD, even though I know Brownhill and Taylor Moore aren't available. Training ground stuff, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 07/03/2020 at 14:28, DaveInSA said: Why can we not seem to retain possession from our own throw ins. Fulham’s goal came from a throw that we turned over possession. Seems such a simple thing to do? I've been banging that drum for about 20 years. It aint going to change - they obviously think there is no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allwaysred Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 07/03/2020 at 14:28, DaveInSA said: Why can we not seem to retain possession from our own throw ins. Fulham’s goal came from a throw that we turned over possession. Seems such a simple thing to do? I've highlighted this many times we must be one of the poorest teams I've seen to either use the ball wisely or simply can't defend them.... BASICS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 07/03/2020 at 15:30, JonDolman said: When discussing Weimann someone said to me have I ever seen Weimann want the ball to his feet from a throw in? And the answer is no I haven't. I kept an eye on him today with throw ins and he walks away with his head down. That's one less player every time who we can throw it to. I think another problem is with throw ins is similar to our problem with passing it out the back. Too many players not on to pass to or throw to. I've noticed this with Weimann too Jon. He sometimes moves towards an opposing player to make himself marked and unavailable. Our throws come down to 3 options. Up the line for Fam to knock on, short to someone who immediately gives it back to the thrower who is under pressure, or backwards towards our own goal. If anyone can remember the last time we scored from a quick throw I'd be very surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, marmite said: I've noticed this with Weimann too Jon. He sometimes moves towards an opposing player to make himself marked and unavailable. Our throws come down to 3 options. Up the line for Fam to knock on, short to someone who immediately gives it back to the thrower who is under pressure, or backwards towards our own goal. If anyone can remember the last time we scored from a quick throw I'd be very surprised. Yep. He goes missing on throw ins. Not just on throw ins but in his general game he likes the ball only in space. I've never seen him have the ball at his feet with his back to goal with a player on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 07/03/2020 at 14:38, BCFCinNW6 said: Why does everyone stand still? It’s 101 stuff that we just can’t get right They aren’t allowed to move out of the positions they’ve been told to stay in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Park Reds Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 I can remember an interview when Steve Cotts mentioned the importance of keeping possession of a throw in (one of his pet hates if I recall).Perhaps that’s why we won the double that year! It must be frustrating for the whole coaching team when sometimes the players don’t do the basics on a match day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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