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3 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Fantastic game from him. Reminded me of the player he was in 17/18. Driving at players. All action. He looked confident today.

Agree much much better.

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1 minute ago, JonDolman said:

Fantastic game from him. Reminded me of the player he was in 17/18. Driving at players. All action. He looked confident today.

Credit to the lad, strong performance from him. Room for improvement but he gave us glimpses of quality, that direct running from the middle gave us drive and momentum to actually pose a attacking threat rather than the sideways passing we’ve been subjected to for most of the season.

A team performance to build off, for sure!! 

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Sadly still no end product . I believe that he is , like many of our squad, capable of great things but not consistent enough to be in a top six team in this division.

 I, agree that he ‘ showed ‘ more in this game than recent ones but the lad , and he is not alone in this , has looked a little lost and lacking a sense of direction.

 

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It was OK, but far, far from fantastic.  Yeah he can run in straight lines but where were the goals, assists or chances created?  How he gets in ahead of Eliasson is mystifying.

 

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Definitely worth his place today and again shows why the reactions to the team sheet should probably wait a bit

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6 minutes ago, Nibor said:

It was OK, but far, far from fantastic.  Yeah he can run in straight lines but where were the goals, assists or chances created?  How he gets in ahead of Eliasson is mystifying.

 

I'm no O' Dowda fan by any means, but the defensive side of his game is light years ahead of Eliasson . Hence why he started today. 

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2 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

I'm no O' Dowda fan by any means, but the defensive side of his game is light years ahead of Eliasson . Hence why he started today. 

I can't see it, he jumps challenges and gets strolled by.

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2 minutes ago, Nibor said:

I can't see it, he jumps challenges and gets strolled by.

Fair shout, I thought he had a good 70 minutes.  Faded from then on and should've gone off instead of Patto imo.

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6 minutes ago, Nibor said:

It was OK, but far, far from fantastic.  Yeah he can run in straight lines but where were the goals, assists or chances created?  How he gets in ahead of Eliasson is mystifying.

 

COD was better than usual. But, as you are saying, where is the end product? Nice to see COD better but Im still in critic how LJ picks him before Nagy, Eliasson and Palmer. Before Fulhams goal he lost the ball in midfield, he tried to dribble two Fulham players. Say it again: Clubs ara in for Niclas not COD. Think that says how Clubs rates players. Our manager rates COD before Niclas and others. Its only to accept LJ is the manager.

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1 minute ago, Garland-sweden said:

COD was better than usual. But, as you are saying, where is the end product? Nice to see COD better but Im still in critic how LJ picks him before Nagy, Eliasson and Palmer. Before Fulhams goal he lost the ball in midfield, he tried to dribble two Fulham players. Say it again: Clubs ara in for Niclas not COD. Think that says how Clubs rates players. Our manager rates COD before Niclas and others. Its only to accept LJ is the manager.

So how about Fulham bidding for O'Dowda in the summer? 😂

And Leeds and Forest rumoured to be interested too. 

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Loose first touch I thought but much better than he has been, which isn’t too difficult tbf.

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2 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Fair shout, I thought he had a good 70 minutes.  Faded from then on and should've gone off instead of Patto imo.

Relative to how he's played over the rest of the season I'd agree it was good, but that's a pretty low bar IMO.  I'm just disappointed that a player who was shown huge forbearance by the club after his failure to engineer a move has given little back, for me he's no better than when we signed him whereas Eliasson has come on leaps and bounds.  The stats seem to bear that out.

9 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

So how about Fulham bidding for O'Dowda in the summer? 😂

And Leeds and Forest rumoured to be interested too. 

I've always suspected you were his Dad, now we have proof!

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2 minutes ago, Nibor said:

Relative to how he's played over the rest of the season I'd agree it was good, but that's a pretty low bar IMO.  I'm just disappointed that a player who was shown huge forbearance by the club after his failure to engineer a move has given little back, for me he's no better than when we signed him whereas Eliasson has come on leaps and bounds.  The stats seem to bear that out.

Don't disagree one bit. But for today I understand it. Also only O Dowda will be here come August. 

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19 minutes ago, Nibor said:

I can't see it, he jumps challenges and gets strolled by.

That’s on you though, not on anyone else.  LJ can clearly see it and so can a lot of fans 

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4 minutes ago, Nibor said:

Relative to how he's played over the rest of the season I'd agree it was good, but that's a pretty low bar IMO.  I'm just disappointed that a player who was shown huge forbearance by the club after his failure to engineer a move has given little back, for me he's no better than when we signed him whereas Eliasson has come on leaps and bounds.  The stats seem to bear that out.

I've always suspected you were his Dad, now we have proof!

Hilarious...😐

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In fairness the bar had not been set that high for him to be better than he has been of late but he was okay today. It seems MF continues to be our weakness no matter how many we play in there. Give the ball away too cheaply and too easily knocked off the ball. Much improved all round today though.

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2 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Don't disagree one bit. But for today I understand it. Also only O Dowda will be here come August. 

Yeah quite likely but given the two approaches to getting a move - sulk and play shite and fail to drum up any interest, or play well enough to get some big clubs interested at a decent price, I will prefer the latter!

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2 minutes ago, RedDave said:

That’s on you though, not on anyone else.  LJ can clearly see it and so can a lot of fans 

I think a lot of fans are beguiled by his running with the ball and miss out on the fact that for goals and assists per minutes on the pitch Eliasson is six times as effective.  Picking either for defensive merit is madness.

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7 minutes ago, Nibor said:

I think a lot of fans are beguiled by his running with the ball and miss out on the fact that for goals and assists per minutes on the pitch Eliasson is six times as effective.  Picking either for defensive merit is madness.

Oh stats. Glorious. 

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2 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Oh stats. Glorious. 

Always makes your argument stronger when you can back your subjective view up with cold hard facts.  You should try it some time.

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2 minutes ago, Nibor said:

Always makes your argument stronger when you can back your subjective view up with cold hard facts.  You should try it some time.

So because you have stats you think something. As nobody has fed you COD defensive stats you can’t see it.  Watch the game and stop staring at stats. That might help.  You call it madness but a lot of fans would agree with the manager who, lets not forget, knows more about football than all of us. Hardly madness!

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23 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

So how about Fulham bidding for O'Dowda in the summer? 😂

And Leeds and Forest rumoured to be interested too. 

Ok, he waited to be sold and go to another Club, but he still is here. We will see when the season is over. Maybe other Clubs see something in him as LJ does. Fact is that he has not many assists and goals compare to Eliasson. Think COD got one goal and one assist. Niclas have two goals and maybe 12 assists. Who would I chose If I was a manager in another Club?

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1 minute ago, RedDave said:

So because you have stats you think something. As nobody has fed you COD defensive stats you can’t see it.  Watch the game and stop staring at stats. That might help.  You call it madness but a lot of fans would agree with the manager who, lets not forget, knows more about football than all of us. Hardly madness!

No, because I watch the games I've formed an opinion and happily the stats agree.  That's a better place to be than having an opinion based solely on nothing you've so far cared to explain.  I guess you will be able to pick out instances of great defensive play by O'Dowda to back up your view and counter the times he's been strolled past or lost his man and caused a goal.  Similarly you will be able to articulate the many times Eliasson has been at fault to outweigh his excellent attacking contribution.  Trust in the manager's football knowledge is a useless way to base an opinion for the purposes of debate.

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5 minutes ago, Nibor said:

No, because I watch the games I've formed an opinion and happily the stats agree.  That's a better place to be than having an opinion based solely on nothing you've so far cared to explain.  I guess you will be able to pick out instances of great defensive play by O'Dowda to back up your view and counter the times he's been strolled past or lost his man and caused a goal.  Similarly you will be able to articulate the many times Eliasson has been at fault to outweigh his excellent attacking contribution.  Trust in the manager's football knowledge is a useless way to base an opinion for the purposes of debate.

You might have the time to spare but I don’t.  Accusing someone of being a players father seems useless as well.

I’d rather save the time and agree to disagree. Cheers 

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15 minutes ago, Garland-sweden said:

Ok, he waited to be sold and go to another Club, but he still is here. We will see when the season is over. Maybe other Clubs see something in him as LJ does. Fact is that he has not many assists and goals compare to Eliasson. Think COD got one goal and one assist. Niclas have two goals and maybe 12 assists. Who would I chose If I was a manager in another Club?

I'm sure Eliasson has played loads more minutes than O'Dowda. And also you are comparing O'Dowda with the best at assists in the entire league. Not many do compare with Eliasson when it comes to assists.

I have never said O'Dowda is better than Eliasson. But Fulham did certainly try and buy him in the summer and it's rumoured Leeds and Forest were after him too.

So your argument that teams didn't want O'Dowda is untrue.

 

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I don't get how our team of master coach's can't work on Elliasons defensive game to get him in. 

All this Elliason is a lousy defender makes me wonder what they work on with him. 

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2 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

I don't get how our team of master coach's can't work on Elliasons defensive game to get him in. 

All this Elliason is a lousy defender makes me wonder what they work on with him. 

Seems to me that most people who say that can't really elaborate on it and what they really mean is he's small.  I think when he's played in front of Hunt he's covered the overlap reasonably well and he cuts out a fair few crosses.  He's never going to be an effective marker at set pieces for sure but he'd have to be absolutely terrible defensively for it to matter given what he does going forward and he isn't that.

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4 minutes ago, Nibor said:

Seems to me that most people who say that can't really elaborate on it and what they really mean is he's small.  I think when he's played in front of Hunt he's covered the overlap reasonably well and he cuts out a fair few crosses.  He's never going to be an effective marker at set pieces for sure but he'd have to be absolutely terrible defensively for it to matter given what he does going forward and he isn't that.

I broadly agree. It seems he’s the fall guy for our defensive frailty as we are often lightweight in the middle. He won the ball excellently in our own corner in the final few minutes, which he does do often so he’s not lazy. Still he will be gone by August for a boat load of money so we wont have to worry.

For the record COD had a decent game by his own standards and was involved quite a bit. Good for him and Us.

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1 hour ago, Nibor said:

I think a lot of fans are beguiled by his running with the ball and miss out on the fact that for goals and assists per minutes on the pitch Eliasson is six times as effective.  Picking either for defensive merit is madness.

Not been a big supporter of his but keeping it simple he worked very hard today,,had a decent game...only criticism I have is when a decision goes against him he reacts & wastes time remonstrating and whining even when the ball's still in play - just stay alert & tuck back in! - definitely gave 100%....fair play,,,do it again please!

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28 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

I'm sure Eliasson has played loads more minutes than O'Dowda. And also you are comparing O'Dowda with the best at assists in the entire league. Not many do compare with Eliasson when it comes to assists.

I have never said O'Dowda is better than Eliasson. But Fulham did certainly try and buy him in the summer and it's rumoured Leeds and Forest were after him too.

So your argument that teams didn't want O'Dowda is untrue.

 

Dont know If Niclas played more min than COD, never mind. Dont say Niclas is Messi but in my eyes a class better than COD eight days a week. COD still is here and Im not trying to lie If any other Clubs want him. Doubt that he will be in the starting eleven in Leeds or Fulham for example. For me Eliasson is a better player eight days a week. We got different  thinking of COD and Niclas, accept that. COYR!!!

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Agree with Jon, probably his best performance in a long while.

My only cautionary word is that he has his better performances against team that give you a bit of space.

But he was good today, no denying that.  Hope he keeps it up (green shoots last week).  Gives much better defensive shape than Eliasson, and came off the touchline to give us an extra man w/o the ball, and broke the lines with it.  Much more of an influence that Pato today, and rightly was the sub today.

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Agree with Jon, probably his best performance in a long while.

My only cautionary word is that he has his better performances against team that give you a bit of space.

But he was good today, no denying that.  Hope he keeps it up (green shoots last week).  Gives much better defensive shape than Eliasson, and came off the touchline to give us an extra man w/o the ball, and broke the lines with it.  Much more of an influence that Pato today, and rightly was the sub today.

On his day he’s brilliant. Thought he did well today and he must have been so happy not to be the inevitable substitute. I thought we could have kept Patto on as well and substituted Massengo with KP.

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Best performance of the season....live on sky......against a team that showed interest in him in the summer. What a coincidence. 

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I thought he was great today.  I liked his interview in the lead up.  Seems like he knows he has to grow up and take more responsibility.  

He hasn't really showed his best form for a long while now, so hopefully he'll put a decent with run of performances together now.  

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5 hours ago, hodge said:

Definitely worth his place today and again shows why the reactions to the team sheet should probably wait a bit

Rather like the ‘reactions’ to Baker going off ...

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15 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Agree with Jon, probably his best performance in a long while.

My only cautionary word is that he has his better performances against team that give you a bit of space.

But he was good today, no denying that.  Hope he keeps it up (green shoots last week).  Gives much better defensive shape than Eliasson, and came off the touchline to give us an extra man w/o the ball, and broke the lines with it.  Much more of an influence that Pato today, and rightly was the sub today.

COD was good yesterday, he use to play not so good. You say COD is better in defensive than Niclas, maybe, Im glad for COD but If we should win games I think its better to play Eliasson. Nagy, Eliasson, Famara for me there are 3 players who can be the different in a game. COD is ok but as I see it he does not do the extra that can change a game. As a City supporter I really hope he can do it this season. He will probably start vs Blackburn and Niclas on the bench. Always backed LJ but in this case Im not in his way of thinking. Its not because Niclas is a Swede  that Im writing this its because Eliasson is a City player. We have nine games to go and I think we should give us the chance to be top six. To be there we must have players that can do that litlle extra. 

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13 hours ago, E.G.Red said:

On his day he’s brilliant. Thought he did well today and he must have been so happy not to be the inevitable substitute. I thought we could have kept Patto on as well and substituted Massengo with KP.

Absolutely. 
Massengo imho was our weakest link. COD did quite well and I was amazed when Pato was subbed. 

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1 hour ago, Garland-sweden said:

COD was good yesterday, he use to play not so good. You say COD is better in defensive than Niclas, maybe, Im glad for COD but If we should win games I think its better to play Eliasson. Nagy, Eliasson, Famara for me there are 3 players who can be the different in a game. COD is ok but as I see it he does not do the extra that can change a game. As a City supporter I really hope he can do it this season. He will probably start vs Blackburn and Niclas on the bench. Always backed LJ but in this case Im not in his way of thinking. Its not because Niclas is a Swede  that Im writing this its because Eliasson is a City player. We have nine games to go and I think we should give us the chance to be top six. To be there we must have players that can do that litlle extra. 

Overall, I’ve been pretty critical of both Callum and Niclas, but Niclas has two big areas to develop for me:

- receiving positions / angles - too easily marked out of games (and teams don’t even need to double up) and doesn’t come inside off of the line to change the passing angle or to drag defender around.  It was this dimension that Callum gave us yesterday.

- shape discipline w/o the ball - he’s generally bloody awful.  Not aware of when opposition players are dragging him out of position to create space elsewhere.

I think the two of these go hand-in-hand to some extent, and it’s part football intelligence / part communication.

Don't get me wrong, get him on the ball and he’s so threatening.

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17 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Agree with Jon, probably his best performance in a long while.

My only cautionary word is that he has his better performances against team that give you a bit of space.

But he was good today, no denying that.  Hope he keeps it up (green shoots last week).  Gives much better defensive shape than Eliasson, and came off the touchline to give us an extra man w/o the ball, and broke the lines with it.  Much more of an influence that Pato today, and rightly was the sub today.

Pato back to his old self . Anonymous most of the time 

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5 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Pato back to his old self . Anonymous most of the time 

On the periphery rather than anonymous imho.

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