Robbored Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, lenred said: You really do talk complete and utter $hite don’t you (it’s rhetorical btw - you don’t need to reply). Just put me on ignore then Len as you think I post shite. It’s very easy to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: In the football world it’s fairly common knowledge regarding Bakers issues but it’s not the kind knowledge that any club wants in the public domain. So why the f are you talking about it on a forum with thousands of users?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, lenred said: So why the f are you talking about it on a forum with thousands of users?!! Not exactly ‘thousands’ Len............and most posters think it’s bullshit anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: Not exactly ‘thousands’ Len............and most posters think it’s bullshit anyway. Oh so it’s funny now as well? You’re a dinosaur mate - mental health is no laughing matter and you thinking it’s ok to discuss someone’s possible issues with no facts and no permission with hundreds/thousands (whatever) of users to try and get yourself out of a hole it frankly pitiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, lenred said: Oh so it’s funny now as well? You’re a dinosaur mate - mental health is no laughing matter and you thinking it’s ok to discuss someone’s possible issues with no facts and no permission with hundreds/thousands (whatever) of users to try and get yourself out of a hole it frankly pitiful. You claiming that ‘thousands’ is what’s funny Len. I have a great deal of understanding of mental health and psychological issues Len. I’m not laughing at that. Anyway.......take my advice and put me on ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 44 minutes ago, Robbored said: You claiming that ‘thousands’ is what’s funny Len. I have a great deal of understanding of mental health and psychological issues Len. I’m not laughing at that. Anyway.......take my advice and put me on ignore. You may not be laughing but still doing your best to belittle baker...if the bloke has an issue we should be backing him to the hilt,, regardless if weather or not he's declined support in the past. I may be wrong but didn't you specialise In mental health?? If so this whole thing looks really bad from your point of view.. Honking & a new low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: You may not be laughing but still doing your best to belittle baker...if the bloke has an issue we should be backing him to the hilt,, regardless if weather or not he's declined support in the past. I may be wrong but didn't you specialise In mental health?? If so this whole thing looks really bad from your point of view.. Honking & a new low. It’s not my problem Bob that you don’t understand what’s going here but you still feel qualified to comment on a subject you know very little about. I more than happy for you to put me on ignore. That won’t be my problem either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Mad Cyril said: Bloke gets subbed off for picking up an injury in a full blooded challenge. Gets pelters. Would it be better if he was subbed off for playing sh1t like most of our other players have been this season? It’s not that he was subbed off yesterday but that he is perceived to be subbed off more frequently than other players , a complete paradox when you look at the bloke’s build . Can you honestly say that you don’t half expect Baker to come off at some time during any given game ? It does not sit with our image of a tough tackling , no nonsense brick shithouse defender . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: It’s not that he was subbed off yesterday but that he is perceived to be subbed off more frequently than other players , a complete paradox when you look at the bloke’s build . Can you honestly say that you don’t half expect Baker to come off at some time during any given game ? It does not sit with our image of a tough tackling , no nonsense brick shithouse defender . Which he is, never shirks a challenge and seems to relish it. Which makes it all the more puzzling why he sometimes doesn't play through injury/pain when needed. He's come off the pitch in the first half 20 times since he's been here which means a sub being used early doors. In amongst those 20 occasions there will obviously be times where he has been injured which necessitates him being subbed, but it is a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Or did you hear the same rumour someone started that I heard? Must have been on the OS surely or else it didn't happen. # Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 I find it quite astonishing that Baker was subbed off for concussion and head injury protocol, and yet there are people on here basically saying he's weak of mind and should be left on the pitch, presumably to 'run it off' and take a couple of aspirin? With all of the well known and publicised issues around mental health and talking about it (a problem shared is a problem halved and all that), maybe Nathan needs a bit more support and an arm around the shoulder, to discuss if indeed any issues around injury are psychological. Hopefully the club are doing that and offering all the support he might need' Gladly he won't be having to go through that from half the posters on here, otherwise he definitely won't be making any progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, BanburyRed said: I find it quite astonishing that Baker was subbed off for concussion and head injury protocol, and yet there are people on here basically saying he's weak of mind and should be left on the pitch, presumably to 'run it off' and take a couple of aspirin? With all of the well known and publicised issues around mental health and talking about it (a problem shared is a problem halved and all that), maybe Nathan needs a bit more support and an arm around the shoulder, to discuss if indeed any issues around injury are psychological. Hopefully the club are doing that and offering all the support he might need' Gladly he won't be having to go through that from half the posters on here, otherwise he definitely won't be making any progress. May I refer you to post #105 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: May I refer you to post #105 Some posters just don’t see the wider implications Major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 If Baker was subbed off for "concussion" reasons, does this mean he has to miss a couple of games? I had in mind that the rules stated something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, Robbored said: Some posters just don’t see the wider implications Major. Is that because I don't have the number of likes for posts that you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Well established? Villa tried to address? Certainly? Do you have a source / web-page links? Then you go on and suggest that the same might have happened with LJ. Sounds like you know more than you’re letting on? Or did you hear the same rumour someone started that I heard? Can't be he doesn't do rumours or speculation must be on an official site somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 On 07/03/2020 at 15:28, pillred said: Don't understand why you got an Aubergine from a well known poster, spot on he IS a liability as far as reliability goes just can't trust him to finish a game these days. So I get three Aubergines for speaking the truth, strange times we live in. Baker is as far as finishing a game is concerned a liability, not calling into question his ability, just his ability to play a whole game. Spot the difference my Aubergine loving friends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 I have not read all of the posts so may duplicate another. The days of allowing players of any contact sport to carry on playing after a knock to the head are gone. In January a Bristol Rugby player, Will Hurrell suffered a head injury in a match at Leicester. It is understood by supporters close to the club, that he had a stroke as a result. If he had been allowed to play on, the consequences could have been even worse. So why should some of us believe that Nathan Baker should have carried on? To risk his life? For a football match? A resounding no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freezer Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 19 hours ago, freezer said: I think you called it incorrectly and are trying to backtrack and cover yourself. You obviously were referring in part to today. The guy went off with concussion. He had to. He got that because, unlike others, he got stuck in. I can't fault him for that. If it's of any help, I too, at the time thought, oh off he goes again, but waited to hear why. @RobboredCare to reply to this mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, freezer said: @RobboredCare to reply to this mate? Again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Robbored said: You claiming that ‘thousands’ is what’s funny Len. I have a great deal of understanding of mental health and psychological issues Len. I’m not laughing at that. Anyway.......take my advice and put me on ignore. There’s over 17k members on this site excluding guests, so quite literally thousands! You’ve put this “secret inside info” out into a public domain and belittled a man who may have a serious problem despite your apparent career working in mental health? 4 hours ago, Robbored said: Some posters just don’t see the wider implications Major. Ironic. 3 hours ago, pillred said: So I get three Aubergines for speaking the truth, strange times we live in. Baker is as far as finishing a game is concerned a liability, not calling into question his ability, just his ability to play a whole game. Spot the difference my Aubergine loving friends? Id imagine you got it for defending RRs nonsense. He couldn’t remember the last time Baker played 90 minutes, insinuating it might be weeks or months, despite doing so just 7 days ago (twice in 4 days actually) add to that like I said above, someone who supposedly worked in mental health care calling out someone with a “certain” and “well established” psychological problem (his words) and also spilling this “inside secret” to the public domain? he might have had a point to a degree that Baker does go off an unusual amount of times for a CB, though seems to have improved this season. I’d just have expected someone in that profession to be a but more... professional? With what they say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freezer Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Robbored said: Again? To the points I raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, MarcusX said: There’s over 17k members on this site excluding guests, so quite literally thousands! You’ve put this “secret inside info” out into a public domain and belittled a man who may have a serious problem despite your apparent career working in mental health? Ironic. Id imagine you got it for defending RRs nonsense. He couldn’t remember the last time Baker played 90 minutes, insinuating it might be weeks or months, despite doing so just 7 days ago (twice in 4 days actually) add to that like I said above, someone who supposedly worked in mental health care calling out someone with a “certain” and “well established” psychological problem (his words) and also spilling this “inside secret” to the public domain? he might have had a point to a degree that Baker does go off an unusual amount of times for a CB, though seems to have improved this season. I’d just have expected someone in that profession to be a but more... professional? With what they say I think you are over reacting tbh. Baker has a propensity to go off early in games - not withstanding saturday - 20 times since he's been with us. It is natural to question that statistic - as LJ has done so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: I think you are over reacting tbh. Baker has a propensity to go off early in games - not withstanding saturday - 20 times since he's been with us. It is natural to question that statistic - as LJ has done so. Yes he is but As I posted earlier, some posters don’t appreciate the wider picture regarding Baker and his propensity to go off injured. It’s a long standing issue that LJ has highlighted in his recent interview. It’s definitely a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 4 hours ago, bcfc01 said: He's come off the pitch in the first half 20 times since he's been here which means a sub being used early doors. In amongst those 20 occasions there will obviously be times where he has been injured which necessitates him being subbed, but it is a lot. Has he? Which 20 games were those? I think a few stats on this thread seem to suggest he’s gone off 7 times over the last 3 seasons in the first half .... 20 seems loads of times to go off in the first half - which games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: I think you are over reacting tbh. Baker has a propensity to go off early in games - not withstanding saturday - 20 times since he's been with us. It is natural to question that statistic - as LJ has done so. Maybe so, but firstly it HAS been discussed at length on here before. Odd timing to bring it up after a run of months without going off injured and only doing so because of an apparent concussion? Secondly like I say, someone whose worked in that profession should know better than ridicule a guy with a “certain” psychological problem. perhaps if the aim was to make people aware of this inside secret then the thread could have worded better with a bit more compassion rather than title it with “sick note”. I’m sure no footballer enjoys being injured, especially if it’s something that cant just be fixed with surgery/treatment like a physical problem might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Has he? Which 20 games were those? I think a few stats on this thread seem to suggest he’s gone off 7 times over the last 3 seasons in the first half .... 20 seems loads of times to go off in the first half - which games? Someone posted earlier in the thread, it’s 16 in total including a red. 8 were in the first half and 3 at half time I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 48 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Maybe so, but firstly it HAS been discussed at length on here before. Odd timing to bring it up after a run of months without going off injured and only doing so because of an apparent concussion? Secondly like I say, someone whose worked in that profession should know better than ridicule a guy with a “certain” psychological problem. perhaps if the aim was to make people aware of this inside secret then the thread could have worded better with a bit more compassion rather than title it with “sick note”. I’m sure no footballer enjoys being injured, especially if it’s something that cant just be fixed with surgery/treatment like a physical problem might. Its been discussed a few times on here. I really don't know if Baker has a psychological issue - I wouldn't presume to know. But the instances of him going off in the first half of games is such to create discussion. And LJ has said that he's had chats with Baker about it. Its an issue for LJ no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 55 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Maybe so, but firstly it HAS been discussed at length on here before. Odd timing to bring it up after a run of months without going off injured and only doing so because of an apparent concussion? Secondly like I say, someone whose worked in that profession should know better than ridicule a guy with a “certain” psychological problem. perhaps if the aim was to make people aware of this inside secret then the thread could have worded better with a bit more compassion rather than title it with “sick note”. I’m sure no footballer enjoys being injured, especially if it’s something that cant just be fixed with surgery/treatment like a physical problem might. I was not ridiculing Baker at all - that’s your twisted perception of what I was pointing out and since then this thread has developed into and interesting read with several posters appreciating my point but it seems you’re not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Has he? Which 20 games were those? I think a few stats on this thread seem to suggest he’s gone off 7 times over the last 3 seasons in the first half .... 20 seems loads of times to go off in the first half - which games? https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-city-verdict-robins-remember-3927140 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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