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31 minutes ago, Galway Red said:

Would be nice if SL dipped into his 2 Billion to do the right thing if only for the positive publicity

It would be nice. I wouldn’t expect him or anyone else to do that. Why should he/they..?

I also dread to think how much (yes I know it’s all relative) his 2 billion will have wiped off it on the market crashes. 
 

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37 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

If the state step up of course then there will be no need. Tbh they are now increasingly seems.

Cannot help but think there's an inequity though, in that the rest of society make sacrifices to varying levels and footballers get full whack- clearly those lower down cannot afford much of a cut, but the higher they go etc...

I know contracts must be respected but these are far from normal times.

  1. Fans are making sacrifices- no football on TV or matchday.
  2. Clubs are making sacrifices- no income on matchday and commercial for the foreseeable.
  3. Broadcasters are possibly losing out.
  4. Staff might be losing out.
  5. Matchday staff most definitely will be.

Players getting paid in full.

Someone explain to me how this fits, in these times in which we are living?

The players have a contract.

I am guessing that they won't be getting any bonuses though. So depending on what percentage of their weekly is incentive based, they will be on a contract basic.

Which at the moment is going to be no appearance fee, clean sheet bonus or goal scoring bonus. Which might be quite a bit.

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8 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

The players have a contract.

I am guessing that they won't be getting any bonuses though. So depending on what percentage of their weekly is incentive based, they will be on a contract basic.

Which at the moment is going to be no appearance fee, clean sheet bonus or goal scoring bonus. Which might be quite a bit.

Aware of that, but so will people in many companies who have been let go. 

In a time of national sacrifice we all have to do our bit.

Plus, a season ticket is a contract. No refunds there.

A Sky subscription is a contract. 

A Sky payment to a club, is a contract.

Footballers and other rich famous types in an ivory tower during a big shutdown isn't a good look. 

Players at a French club had a contract. Staff too...wages cut or deferred 16%, across the board. No exceptions.

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6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Aware of that but so will people in many companies who have been let go. 

In a time of national sacrifice we all have to do our bit.

I'm not sure making a token gesture of making a player surplus to requirements in the 'national interest' will make any difference whatsoever. I might be missing something however.

Would it not just mean the club would find it more difficult to recruit in the future?

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12 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I'm not sure making a token gesture of making a player surplus to requirements in the 'national interest' will make any difference whatsoever. I might be missing something however.

Would it not just mean the club would find it more difficult to recruit in the future?

Talking more about wage restraint, perhaps partial deferral, whatever. 

Would show that they 'get' it. Football in general I mean, if this is a prolonged situation.

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51 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

It would be nice. I wouldn’t expect him or anyone else to do that. Why should he/they..?

I also dread to think how much (yes I know it’s all relative) his 2 billion will have wiped off it on the market crashes. 
 

I'm not saying they should do it but it would be a nice touch. 

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3 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

It would be nice. I wouldn’t expect him or anyone else to do that. Why should he/they..?

I also dread to think how much (yes I know it’s all relative) his 2 billion will have wiped off it on the market crashes. 

Roman Abramovich has done it, supporting the NHS in West London with accommodation for two months at his own expense ...

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With little or no employment rights I think these guys are working Hero Hours to be honest.

Big business throughout the UK rely on the efforts, blood, sweat & tears of obligation free, risk free, labour to make their activities profitable... they have an army of potential workers waiting in the wings ready, at the drop of a hat to come running when required all on zero hours - all little more than puppets dangling on strings, ready to jump to the bosses tunes.

Ditch the term and practice of 'zero hour' puppetry and  rephrase it respectfully as Hero hours work.

Keeps the 'food banks' busy though I guess -most or which are ironically 'staffed' by big hearted, zero waged, volunteers...

Shameful really what's happening in 21st Century Britain.  

Hero Hours Heroes!

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7 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

The players have a contract.

I am guessing that they won't be getting any bonuses though. So depending on what percentage of their weekly is incentive based, they will be on a contract basic.

Which at the moment is going to be no appearance fee, clean sheet bonus or goal scoring bonus. Which might be quite a bit.

Although the players won't be getting their bonuses over the next few weeks they won't loose out as they will get them when the season resumes.

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9 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

It would be nice. I wouldn’t expect him or anyone else to do that. Why should he/they..?

I also dread to think how much (yes I know it’s all relative) his 2 billion will have wiped off it on the market crashes. 
 

Simple.

Humanity.

For all any of us know Lansdown might be as philanthropic as John James was.

Then again he might not be. Perhaps he is fretting about how he’ll manage with the drop in value of his portfolio. I’m not fretting about the drop in mine, and mine’s a lot less than his.

Unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures. In my view......

 

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I think this is a key moment for clubs as we might all start to reflect upon what we have been supporting all these years. If the clubs and players don't support their communities wherever and however they can right now I think it will have a long term negative impact for them. We are all going to be reviewing our priorities when this is all over

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1 hour ago, BigAl&Toby said:
1 hour ago, BigAl&Toby said:

Simple.

Humanity.

For all any of us know Lansdown might be as philanthropic as John James was.

Then again he might not be. Perhaps he is fretting about how he’ll manage with the drop in value of his portfolio. I’m not fretting about the drop in mine, and mine’s a lot less than his.

Unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures. In my view......

 

Agreed. I just don’t think it’s fair that people label expectations on people now, because they’ve earned money, saying that they should be bailing people out, out of their own pocket. 
It’s an easy call to make - but really not just that simple, imo. 
I’ve, like many, have gone from being utterly unconcerned about a flu outbreak, to thinking there’s every possibility that the world isn’t going to be the same as we’ve known it again.  At least for some considerable time to come. 
Everybody should be helping others where they can right now, but I don’t think people should be calling for Mr X, Y, or Z to do that. 
 

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20 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

 

People are just suggesting that it would be nice if the club helped out a few people on close to minimum wage who work a couple of times a week and now face huge uncertainty. The impact on them could be enormous. 

Yes, no one is 'obliged' to help out like that. We all know that. Doesn't mean it's not a decent thing to do.

If everyone took a leaf out of Gary Neville's book, I dare say we'd get through this far quicker.

https://twitter.com/StockExHotel/status/1240314212112531457?s=20

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4 hours ago, BigAl&Toby said:

Simple.

Humanity.

For all any of us know Lansdown might be as philanthropic as John James was.

Then again he might not be. Perhaps he is fretting about how he’ll manage with the drop in value of his portfolio. I’m not fretting about the drop in mine, and mine’s a lot less than his.

Unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures. In my view......

 

My 284 Lloyds Shares are now actually worth less than the paper they are written on.  

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17 hours ago, Dollymarie said:

Foster son works at AG during rugby games, he’s had an email this afternoon basically wishing him well (as in stay healthy) through these difficult times and they’ll be in touch, but nothing else. 
 

Not having a pop at Ashton Gate, just relaying the info. 

It's poor from SL, if there isn't something in the works. It would be not even a drop in the ocean for the Lansdowns and as @Bar BS3 says, there's nothing saying he has to do anything but zero-hours contracts already puts the ball in his/AG's court, and as others have said they're not entitled to anything when it all goes south. Why should he? Because he can.

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11 minutes ago, RonWalker said:

It's poor from SL, if there isn't something in the works. It would be not even a drop in the ocean for the Lansdowns and as @Bar BS3 says, there's nothing saying he has to do anything but zero-hours contracts already puts the ball in his/AG's court, and as others have said they're not entitled to anything when it all goes south. Why should he? Because he can.

Exactly. History will remember the people who stepped up to the plate fondly. Those that stood by and did nothing will be remembered too.

 

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6 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

 

What you trying to say @Bar BS3? ?

My views on Mr L and Mr A - how much did I read he’s on? ******* hell - are well known.

Football plays a huge part in many people’s lives. It has a huge responsibility to look after those people. As we all do when times are tough. My pension pot and that of Mr L counts for absolutely **** all if we’re dead, or have stood idly by whilst others have suffered.

But then my utopian dream from deepest darkest Frome is influenced significantly by the words of Grampy Weeks....

There’s no pockets in shrouds my old son....

 

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4 hours ago, RonWalker said:

It's poor from SL, if there isn't something in the works. It would be not even a drop in the ocean for the Lansdowns and as @Bar BS3 says, there's nothing saying he has to do anything but zero-hours contracts already puts the ball in his/AG's court, and as others have said they're not entitled to anything when it all goes south. Why should he? Because he can.

There is the 100mil he is planning on spending to create more jobs and the millions to ploughs in to the football and rugby every year so these jobs exist in the first place.

I think he does more than enough.

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1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said:

There is the 100mil he is planning on spending to create more jobs and the millions to ploughs in to the football and rugby every year so these jobs exist in the first place.

I think he does more than enough.

With respect, I think you're in a bit of a bubble. 

Regardless of whether SL should foot the bill, look around. 

Barnet- Laid off all non footballing staff. 

Hearts- 50% wage cuts for all. I include the players.

Nimes- 16% wage cuts for all staff. Again, includes the players.

A lot of people are making significant sacrifices. Inside and outside football. About time football or footballers did similar.

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19 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

With respect, I think you're in a bit of a bubble. 

Regardless of whether SL should foot the bill, look around. 

Barnet- Laid off all non footballing staff. 

Hearts- 50% wage cuts for all. 

Nimes- 16% wage cuts for all staff. 

A lot of people are making significant sacrifices. Inside and outside football. About time football or footballers did similar.

The government (and other governments the world over) do not have the resources to bail out everyone who will need help, so I like to think that there is a moral duty that those in positions of privilege and wealth have to help where they can. I am the complete opposite of a tub-thumping socialist, but there are times when as a society we need to be good to each other. This, clearly, is one such moment and I sincerely hope that those that have feasted from football over the years (whether they be players, owners, associations, TV companies, etc.), can come together and really show that 'the football family' is just that, and that the phrase is not simply a hollow platitude to be wheeled out when it suits.  

In this regard, my respect for Neville opening his hotels for 'the cause' is endless. 

It's not an exaggeration to say that how we deal with the situation will serve to define us as human beings, and I hope that we can hold our heads high once it eventually subsides. Equally, I hope i'm not being too idealistic. 

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1 hour ago, poland_exile said:

The government (and other governments the world over) do not have the resources to bail out everyone who will need help, so I like to think that there is a moral duty that those in positions of privilege and wealth have to help where they can. I am the complete opposite of a tub-thumping socialist, but there are times when as a society we need to be good to each other. This, clearly, is one such moment and I sincerely hope that those that have feasted from football over the years (whether they be players, owners, associations, TV companies, etc.), can come together and really show that 'the football family' is just that, and that the phrase is not simply a hollow platitude to be wheeled out when it suits.  

In this regard, my respect for Neville opening his hotels for 'the cause' is endless. 

It's not an exaggeration to say that how we deal with the situation will serve to define us as human beings, and I hope that we can hold our heads high once it eventually subsides. Equally, I hope i'm not being too idealistic. 

Great post, totally agree. 

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8 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

There is the 100mil he is planning on spending to create more jobs and the millions to ploughs in to the football and rugby every year so these jobs exist in the first place.

I think he does more than enough.

That’s great news, but is that going to feed people in insecure work who have been left with nothing for the foreseeable future? Would now not be a good time to support them when they most need it?

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11 minutes ago, RonWalker said:

That’s great news, but is that going to feed people in insecure work who have been left with nothing for the foreseeable future? Would now not be a good time to support them when they most need it?

I would be very surprised if the match day staff who have no idea how many games a season will be played (consider cup games are an unknown and form dictates crowd size and need for staff) if most of them had this as their sole source of income.

That isn't to say that it isn't important income.

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25 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I would be very surprised if the match day staff who have no idea how many games a season will be played (consider cup games are an unknown and form dictates crowd size and need for staff) if most of them had this as their sole source of income.

That isn't to say that it isn't important income.

Sorry Rob - it’s late and I misread. Yes, agreed it’s probably not most people’s sole income, but their other roles are not likely to be the most stable jobs in this climate you’d imagine.

If it’s important and is suddenly lost with everything already going on now for people near the bottom, is it not a drop in the ocean for a club our size with our backing to help?

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49 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I would be very surprised if the match day staff who have no idea how many games a season will be played (consider cup games are an unknown and form dictates crowd size and need for staff) if most of them had this as their sole source of income.

That isn't to say that it isn't important income.

What you're overlooking however is the prospect that job losses + suspension of this might well=double whammy.

I believe many jobs have been lost- my company has shed 30-35%- maybe more of staff- since the start of last week. Who knows how many of those workers in that position?

Hospitality...this has been decimated within the last week. Catering staff, double whammy.

Footballers and wages...did you know that rugby clubs, unsure how many but PL rugby clubs are asking players to take anything up to a 25% cut to wages?

Indeed, there might even be a clause in SPFL contracts to suspend footballers wages for the lockdown of a duration.

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