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S25loyal

no football till after July

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I see the arguement that football isn't important with what's going on but let's not forget the many thousands that depend on football for their living  and I dont mean players earning millions a year

 

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9 minutes ago, marmite said:

I see the arguement that football isn't important with what's going on but let's not forget the many thousands that depend on football for their living  and I dont mean players earning millions a year

 

that’s true but who exactly do you mean

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How about season finishes whenever possible. Let's say July/ August for example. Players have holiday break as they would need one, this is not a holiday!

And then our new football season starts November and goes till about August/September. Playing games through the summer. World cup and euros every 2 years in those autumn months.

Games over the summer every season would be amazing for us fans.

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33 minutes ago, walnutroof said:

Wouldn’t there be some merit to start playing again sooner obviously without supporters and televise every game, this might encourage people to stay at home and watch them on tv 

No because it will take away vital front line staff from saving lives. Would look slack using doctors and medics for a game of football when people are dying and the NHS is on its knees. Just can’t see it  

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38 minutes ago, walnutroof said:

Wouldn’t there be some merit to start playing again sooner obviously without supporters and televise every game, this might encourage people to stay at home and watch them on tv 

Football is way down the list of priorities right now, it can GTF until the important stuff is sorted.

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2 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

Football is way down the list of priorities right now, it can GTF until the important stuff is sorted.

In the sense of quaratining people definitely. 

But it the sense that sporting events are a massive factor in helping people deal with life and many mental and emotional reasons it will be one of the first things to return 

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4 minutes ago, phantom said:

In the sense of quaratining people definitely. 

But it the sense that sporting events are a massive factor in helping people deal with life and many mental and emotional reasons it will be one of the first things to return 

There are more things important than sport than helping people deal with life than sport,obviously this is a football forum so could see why you would say that but sporting events are not one of them to the vulnerable 

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3 minutes ago, phantom said:

Why?

 

3 minutes ago, phantom said:

Why?

Because the players will have to play the remaining games in a short time and they can’t cope with nonstop games as Klopp has said,unless you are suggesting we play 46 games from the start of the year till May to get it back in sync 

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2 hours ago, Coppello said:

to miss out on 46 games on matchday income

Pretty sure we won't be getting 46 league games, and definitely not 46 with matchday income, think next season (IF it starts normal time in August) would start behind closed doors anyway. I say we won't be getting 46 league games because some sports are starting to call off events in July where there is minimal contact with others, there you're just about into pre-season, any sort of push back and the start of pre-season gets pushed back. You'll need a full pre-season if 19/20 is null and void as players won't have played a game of football in over 4 months.  

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Complete this season whenever and then next season whenever it starts only play each team once . Gate takings to be split 70:30 (this is double the normal FA cup split for the away club and may actually benefit the smaller club ). Games to be randomly selected  but no more than half the possible games  at home, and  any clashes re local teams playing same day eg Liverpool, Everton , City, Rovers then one of the teams has to play their game away. 

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3 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

 

Because the players will have to play the remaining games in a short time and they can’t cope with nonstop games as Klopp has said,unless you are suggesting we play 46 games from the start of the year till May to get it back in sync 

Certainly don't need 7 months recovery time

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23 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

Football is way down the list of priorities right now, it can GTF until the important stuff is sorted.

Totally agree, who would have thought that after all these years we'd find out that Bill Shankly was wrong.

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1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said:

that’s true but who exactly do you mean

Lots of people who earn just a wage from football, not megabucks. Catering staff, security staff, shop staff. maintenance staff, ground staff, community staff, coaches, scouts, and many more. Multiply them by the number of clubs and you have several thousand minimum. Lots of people earn their crust just making sure the game goes ahead. It might just be 3-5pm for us supporters but there is so much happening behind the scene. Loss of football affects them all but I still think this season wont finish anytime soon. Stay safe all. 🙏🙏🙏 

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4 minutes ago, marmite said:

Lots of people who earn just a wage from football, not megabucks. Catering staff, security staff, shop staff. maintenance staff, ground staff, community staff, coaches, scouts, and many more. Multiply them by the number of clubs and you have several thousand minimum. Lots of people earn their crust just making sure the game goes ahead. It might just be 3-5pm for us supporters but there is so much happening behind the scene. Loss of football affects them all but I still think this season wont finish anytime soon. Stay safe all. 🙏🙏🙏 

They will be getting the 80% and surely the clubs will top it up

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40 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

They will be getting the 80% and surely the clubs will top it up

Seems to be piecemeal (don't worry, I'm not rowing etc). 

Burnley, Man Utd are two who are paying casual staff eg. Premier League however, Leeds pay deferral will include help for them but it's piecemeal.

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7 hours ago, S25loyal said:

I know this is corona related and there is a thread,  but it looks like there won’t be any football at Ashton gate (unless behind closed doors) till at least after July. 

The council have banned any mass gatherings till after July. (Waiting for someone to say “least rovers can play then”)

 

Surely time to cancel the season?

Ultimately, it's the government who set the agenda on mass gatherings. Suspect the jobsworths in councillors are coming out and they'll be put back in their box soon enough.

As to cancelling the season, I don't see why there is a need to make such a decision now.

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3 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

It’s hard but people are saying continue this season and scrap next season,that means if all and well we play the last 10 games this season by December then we will have to wait another 7 months to start the next season 

I think that may well happen since the virus will still be around "next season" but it would be possible to finish this season's games (over a longer period) then get back to normal in 21/22, that would be a neat and tidy solution apart from the financial repercussions for the clubs but that's going to happen in any case. If this season is abandoned there could be legal action from the clubs that have lost out (eg Leeds, WBA) and the EFL will want to avoid that possibility.

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3 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

I think that may well happen since the virus will still be around "next season" but it would be possible to finish this season's games (over a longer period) then get back to normal in 21/22, that would be a neat and tidy solution apart from the financial repercussions for the clubs but that's going to happen in any case. If this season is abandoned there could be legal action from the clubs that have lost out (eg Leeds, WBA) and the EFL will want to avoid that possibility.

I’m sure a club like Leeds would understand these are unprecedented times and except the situation surely 

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24 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Would you chance going if it was ?

I wasn't going anyway.

I bought tickets for wife and 3 relatives.

£270 hopefully refunded.

 

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17 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

There are more things important than sport than helping people deal with life than sport,obviously this is a football forum so could see why you would say that but sporting events are not one of them to the vulnerable 

@joe jordans teeth This touches on the point I was making https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020-03-25/isolation-anxiety-and-coronavirus-plea-to-protect-mental-health-during-pandemic/

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23 hours ago, Badger08 said:

Can't see why they can't just play the games behind closed doors. 

How would that work with the two metre distancing? fine for free kicks but not much else.

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6 minutes ago, pillred said:

How would that work with the two metre distancing? fine for free kicks but not much else.

AS much as you think people get what is going on, some really just don’t!

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1 hour ago, pillred said:

How would that work with the two metre distancing? fine for free kicks but not much else.

It's not like players could be tested and found to be clear of any virus

Perhaps that is how it will logically be sorted!!

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2 hours ago, phantom said:

It's not like players could be tested and found to be clear of any virus

Perhaps that is how it will logically be sorted!!

That would lead to some pretty interesting line ups.

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21 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

So the Killers gig is off I suppose ?

 

Not officially yet, but sure to be off. They just haven’t announced it.

My daughter was going to see another band in April who have called off their Cardiff gig. The tour has been rearranged for October/November and all tickets valid, refunds if you can’t make rearranged date. Another band she was due to see a couple of weeks ago had to cancel and refunds given as tickets not issued yet.

I am clinging onto the hope that The Killers are trying to rearrange, but as they are doing stadium tours it won’t be until next close season, and we don’t even know when that will be. 

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If it's not safe for fans to be at the ground how can we expect players and staff to put their lives at risk ?? Even if the FA decided to play behind closed doors I'd expect the majority of players to refuse to play and rightly so. This season is finished. Null and void. Can't see next season starting until Autumn at the earliest. Sad but reality.

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On 26/03/2020 at 17:25, joe jordans teeth said:

It’s hard but people are saying continue this season and scrap next season,that means if all and well we play the last 10 games this season by December then we will have to wait another 7 months to start the next season 

Depending on dates to resume this season. Say it did finish in December, instead of waiting 7 months you could bring the Euros 2021 forward from June/July? Then start the 21/22 season earlier than usual, and finish it earlier, giving players a longer break before the World Cup 2022 (possibility to bring that slightly forward as well), which would give a longer break after the World Cup and start of 22/23 season?

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16 minutes ago, OldlandReddies said:

If it's not safe for fans to be at the ground how can we expect players and staff to put their lives at risk ?? Even if the FA decided to play behind closed doors I'd expect the majority of players to refuse to play and rightly so. This season is finished. Null and void. Can't see next season starting until Autumn at the earliest. Sad but reality.

If you're not starting until Autumn at the earliest then there's really no guarantee of fitting a full season in for 20/21, may as well finish 19/20 and the alter the rules of 20/21 and only play each team once for example, avoids many sticky legal situations.

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7 minutes ago, Super said:

I think you worry about this in a few months. Football is irrelevant.

In the grand scheme of things of course it is, but those in power still need to discuss situations of what is going to/could happen. This naturally creates discussion amongst fans, to be honest seeing the news almost all the time you're awake at the moment over different platforms its nice to be able to talk about something else given the main subject at hand can be disheartening to read constantly.

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On 26/03/2020 at 13:17, Dolman_Stand said:

Surely this only applies to council organised events? If this clears up by end of May and the rest of the football league is back up and running in mid June then BCC would not stand in the way

Council gives licences for events 

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Cancel the season? Imagine for a moment yorkshire's most loved team missing out and having to start all over again . . . What a lovely thought.

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One of the papers summed it up perfectly when they said null and void the season PL clubs will lose £760m.

 

Non league where money is small is ok to null but higher up the chain different rules apply due to the high stakes. 
 

Gone are the days where what we played on the park is what we see on tv or at the ground. Money now rules the game and has created a game that now has two sets of laws. VAR,  goal technology,  officials communicating with each other now have created an elite game. The laws we played now don’t apply and elite clubs now decide what laws they want introduced. 
Laws should apply to everyone who plays the game not just the few.

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4 hours ago, Swede said:

Cancel the season? Imagine for a moment yorkshire's most loved team missing out and having to start all over again . . . What a lovely thought.

Can you imagine the lawsuits and legal wrangling if you cancelled the season though?? 

I'd love to be a commercial lawyer with a bit of football experience in that situation...

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2 hours ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

Agree with Neville on this:

 

The only issue would be how can you force players to stay beyond their agreed contract length? Hypothetically if the league didn't restart until November it would be 2 months at least to completion so you're talking about forcing someone to stay 6 months longer than they signed for. 

I'd say teams just have to play with the squad at their disposal, if a player wants to sign an extension to the end of the season they can, but you can't force someone to stay, the incentive would be saying they can't sign to play for another club until the season is completed.

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1 minute ago, hodge said:

The only issue would be how can you force players to stay beyond their agreed contract length? Hypothetically if the league didn't restart until November it would be 2 months at least to completion so you're talking about forcing someone to stay 6 months longer than they signed for. 

I'd say teams just have to play with the squad at their disposal, if a player wants to sign an extension to the end of the season they can, but you can't force someone to stay, the incentive would be saying they can't sign to play for another club until the season is completed.

Given a contract requires 2 or more consenting parties, I would presume you couldn't force any player to remain beyond the termination date. That said, the job market outside of signing a 6 month extension might be offering slim pickings, so an impacted player might have a good incentive to sign.

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2 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

Given a contract requires 2 or more consenting parties, I would presume you couldn't force any player to remain beyond the termination date. That said, the job market outside of signing a 6 month extension might be offering slim pickings, so an impacted player might have a good incentive to sign.

For anyone staying in the same country it probably wouldn't be an issue to extend, more thinking about players moving abroad etc

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