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2 minutes ago, S25loyal said:

McClean wouldn’t accept that there is a country called Northern Ireland, or a city called Londonderry. So I’m really struggling to see what your point is here?

A good friend of mine is from Roscommon, he maintains that Londonderry is a unique word in the English language, with the first 6 letters all being silent.

That aside, anything to suggest he denies the existence of the country he was born in, and who he represented at U21 level (I've just had a read on his wiki page)? I have no doubt he supports a united Ireland, but that is not the same thing.

Indeed, seems odd (to me anyway) he would make donations to charitable organisations based in a country that doesn't exist:

"McClean has made a number of charitable donations to the less fortunate in society. He made a significant donation to homeless people at the Wells and Foyle Valley House in Derry.[110] He donated £1,500 for a custom hand cycle bike help a child who was suffering from Spina Bifida.[111] He made another significant donation to the Wells facility in the Bogside, for up to 24 men who have alcohol problems.[112] He paid £1,750 for a new mobile home after hearing about a pregnant homeless woman's struggles on social media.[113] He donated £1000 to help pay for specialist proton therapy in Florida for a four-year-old child suffering from cancer.[114] He donated €1,200 to help pay for the funeral of a two-year-old boy who was struck by a car.[115] In December 2016 he set up a new clothing line with proceeds going to help homeless residents of his native Derry.[116] He donated £500 to an online fund set up to support the family of a missing Derry man.[117]"

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22 hours ago, J-mat said:

It's not exactly a period of history that we British can look back on with any sense of pride...

 

Nor Irish pride for that matter , Republican terrorist killing many 100s even 1000s of innocent people.

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7 hours ago, TRL said:

Doesnt the swatika mean well being?

Yes the Nazis stole it but that doesnt mean we should be repulsed by the symbol  that symbol was brutalised for a short period of its history. Buddhists Hindus jains and many more use the swatika to mean well being and have done so for centuries before anyone even thought of a nazi.

It's time the world was taught the proper meaning of symbols.

The Swastika was hijacked correct. But that is not my point here. My point is clear and well made.

7 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Surely it's a matter of personal opinion what the poppy symbolises to them.

It symbolises a whole lot more than just the armed forces. So yes it does matter. If he is against it then, by definition, he is spitting on the grave of an Irishman. He is obviously an ignoramus so we must forgive him.

5 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

The poppy is worn to show support for the Armed Forces.  McLean doesn’t want to support the Armed Forces for obvious reasons.  I respect his decision to not wear one. He has gone a bit far with this social media post though.  

Amongst others per above.

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22 hours ago, J-mat said:

Oh yeah don't get me wrong, he's a bellend. No need to go in as hard as he does and clearly enjoys winding people up. 

But I can respect his decision not to wear a poppy. It would be exactly the same as Brit playing in Germany being forced to wear a Swastika, (I'm not comparing the poppy to a swastika and wear mine with pride, before some melt gets their knickers in a twist) 

Outrageous thing to say, you claim to know your history I suggest you need a little more education.

My Grandad (now passed on ) a catholic was born in Cork when Ireland was still part Britain and he told me stories of the Black and Tans growing up , however at the outbreak of WW2 he joined up and fought for this country like many others from the Republic and my Great Grandfather an Irishman , join an Irish regiment  also fought in France during The Great Was  so don't you dare compare the poppy to the swastika .

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5 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

The poppy is worn to show support for the Armed Forces.  McLean doesn’t want to support the Armed Forces for obvious reasons.  I respect his decision to not wear one. He has gone a bit far with this social media post though.  

Poppy is worn as an act of remembrance for ordinary men and women who laid down their lives . It is not a support for the Army or Government or any institution. 

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7 minutes ago, havanatopia said:

The Swastika was hijacked correct. But that is not my point here. My point is clear and well made.

It symbolises a whole lot more than just the armed forces. So yes it does matter. If he is against it then, by definition, he is spitting on the grave of an Irishman. He is obviously an ignoramus so we must forgive him.

Amongst others per above.

Everyone has different opinions about wearing poppies.

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39 minutes ago, bs3 said:

Nor Irish pride for that matter , Republican terrorist killing many 100s even 1000s of innocent people.

Loyalists never killed anyone of course...terrorism cut both ways.

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32 minutes ago, bs3 said:

Outrageous thing to say, you claim to know your history I suggest you need a little more education.

My Grandad (now passed on ) a catholic was born in Cork when Ireland was still part Britain and he told me stories of the Black and Tans growing up , however at the outbreak of WW2 he joined up and fought for this country like many others from the Republic and my Great Grandfather an Irishman , join an Irish regiment  also fought in France during The Great Was  so don't you dare compare the poppy to the swastika .

I didn't, you absolute tool. I work with the military on a daily basis. I am well aware of their sacrifices and their brilliance and I do more to keep them safe than you, so I'm quite content with my contribution to our country. Are you? 

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23 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I'm fairly objective over it but people who may have nationalist sympathies generally may not be.

McLean is a dick but people who have nationalist sympathies can tend to be one eyed.

Doesn't explain why his balaclava has two eye holes …. (or, come to think of it, why would a normal family man own a balaclava in the first place.... thats a question worth asking, odd to say the least) 

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2 hours ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

My knowledge of him is limited to

- the annual furore about him not wearing a poppy. Which is fine by me, I don't wear a poppy either. So, if that counts as supporting him, so be it.

- this misjudged attempt at humour with his Instagram post.

Otherwise I have no skin in this particular game: don't recall hearing him interviewed (I have lived overseas for 20+ years) and I've never met the guy.

His only intention is to fan the flames of conflict.

He has no interest in peace or progress.

His kind are not the future of Ireland, thankfully.

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9 hours ago, havanatopia said:

What a repulsive analogy.

The poppy is to thank ALL of those who gave their lives, on all sides and all civilians, including the Irish and not just in the great war. 

I pity those who do not know the true meaning of symbols.

Well, I guess you've missed the way the far right have hijacked the symbol and altered what it means to many people during your exile in Cuba.

What it was intended to mean and what it has come to represent are two very different things. 

 

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24 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Everyone has different opinions about wearing poppies.

You mean as in I like ELO and Ford Corrina MK3's? Whereas you might not? Not really likely you will disrespect my opinion though is it? Therefore, by definition of your 'poppies mean different things to different people' we can and should respect those opinions would you agree? I am sure you do. Which is why you don't do what MacLean did do you?

Notwithstanding I still go back to the fact that by trashing the poppy he is spitting on an Irishman's grave. Like I said before, he is an uneducated heathen so we must cut him some slack I suppose.

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4 minutes ago, J-mat said:

Well, I guess you've missed the way the far right have hijacked the symbol and altered what it means to many people during your exile in Cuba.

What it was intended to mean and what it has come to represent are two very different things. 

 

It's had polarised opinions for 75 years squire. Nothing new there. But it should not be that way. Perhaps, like anything in these modern times, polarisation is exacerbated by instant social media. I think a lot of people under 40 or maybe 30 would find it hard to live without it. I happen to think the world would be a far better place and more balanced debate might return. The era of sound biting can hit the dustbin too. 

Who knows, if 0.5% of the population are nicer to one another after cv19 we might find greater harmony blossom. 

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9 hours ago, havanatopia said:

What a repulsive analogy.

The poppy is to thank ALL of those who gave their lives, on all sides and all civilians, including the Irish and not just in the great war. 

I pity those who do not know the true meaning of symbols.

Completely agree.

The poppy is a symbol of the fallen . ‘Lest We Forget’ means exactly that, don’t ever forget the true cost of conflict and try to avoid it at all costs.

It doesn’t celebrate or glorify anything.

Its not a celebration of the armed forces 

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1 hour ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

A good friend of mine is from Roscommon, he maintains that Londonderry is a unique word in the English language, with the first 6 letters all being silent.

That aside, anything to suggest he denies the existence of the country he was born in, and who he represented at U21 level (I've just had a read on his wiki page)? I have no doubt he supports a united Ireland, but that is not the same thing.

Indeed, seems odd (to me anyway) he would make donations to charitable organisations based in a country that doesn't exist:

"McClean has made a number of charitable donations to the less fortunate in society. He made a significant donation to homeless people at the Wells and Foyle Valley House in Derry.[110] He donated £1,500 for a custom hand cycle bike help a child who was suffering from Spina Bifida.[111] He made another significant donation to the Wells facility in the Bogside, for up to 24 men who have alcohol problems.[112] He paid £1,750 for a new mobile home after hearing about a pregnant homeless woman's struggles on social media.[113] He donated £1000 to help pay for specialist proton therapy in Florida for a four-year-old child suffering from cancer.[114] He donated €1,200 to help pay for the funeral of a two-year-old boy who was struck by a car.[115] In December 2016 he set up a new clothing line with proceeds going to help homeless residents of his native Derry.[116] He donated £500 to an online fund set up to support the family of a missing Derry man.[117]"

Its not really odd.

Generousity and stupidity can be bedfellows. 

If I was to wear for instance a white robe and pointed hat and share this picture on social media ... I would expect to be sacked from my employment.

This individual has previously made public statements describing terrorist as friends and heroes on remembrance day .. And now he is pictured in a balaclava like his friends and heroes who murdered people.

He is free to do it.

Expecting there not to be consequences makes him an imbecile. 

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23 hours ago, J-mat said:

Oh yeah don't get me wrong, he's a bellend. No need to go in as hard as he does and clearly enjoys winding people up. 

But I can respect his decision not to wear a poppy. It would be exactly the same as Brit playing in Germany being forced to wear a Swastika, (I'm not comparing the poppy to a swastika and wear mine with pride, before some melt gets their knickers in a twist) 

Three people liked this?

My god, this just maybe one of the most ill informed posts I think I’ve ever read.

I would fully expect Germans to wear a poppy and remember the horrific cost their young people paid and hopefully we all say ‘never again’.

Im staggered.

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4 minutes ago, 054123 said:

Completely agree.

The poppy is a symbol of the fallen . ‘Lest We Forget’ means exactly that, don’t ever forget the true cost of conflict and try to avoid it at all costs.

It doesn’t celebrate or glorify anything.

Its not a celebration of the armed forces 

That's what it means to me, personally. 

It isn't what it means to some, I'm afraid. 

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13 minutes ago, J-mat said:

Well, I guess you've missed the way the far right have hijacked the symbol and altered what it means to many people during your exile in Cuba.

What it was intended to mean and what it has come to represent are two very different things. 

 

Well then take the symbol back by correctly understanding it and pedal some educated output.

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2 minutes ago, 054123 said:

Three people liked this?

My god, this just maybe one of the most ill informed posts I think I’ve ever read.

I would fully expect Germans to wear a poppy and remember the horrific cost their young people paid and hopefully we all say ‘never again’.

Im staggered.

To be fair, as I posted it I thought "I wish there was a better, less offensive symbol of the German military I could use" 

But I couldn't think of any.

 

But if you want to carry on with the pedantry rather than taking on board the (obviously poorly put together) general theme of the argument then be my guest. 

Christ, I hoped the little disclaimer would be enough to ward off this absolute misnomer of a tangent. 

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8 minutes ago, 054123 said:

Well then take the symbol back by correctly understanding it and pedal some educated output.

******* hell fire, you do love twisting things don't you. 

I don't really know why I'm justifying my views to some no mark on the internet, but here we are.

I fully understand what the poppy means, i have the privilege of working with military personnel and the remembrance services held at work are tear jerking and magnificent all at the same time. 

My grandfather served in the second world war along with his brothers. He had shell shock until he passed away, scarred by the horrors of the front line.

Because of my odious inability to not correct idiots on FB, I spend much of November calling out far-right idiots who do misuse the poppy. The irony being it was their politics so many died trying to halt. 

Rather than being one of the professionally offended, why not calm yourself and at least try to understand the point being made. I have already admitted that the use of swastika was ill-advised, but the point was not at all a difficult one to understand or accept. 

The Poppy means different things to different people, it is a British thing and for an Irish Republican who's family has been affected by British military aggression, I can understand his views on it. 

**** I wish I'd never bothered posting now, people like you are the actual worst. 

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1 hour ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

A good friend of mine is from Roscommon, he maintains that Londonderry is a unique word in the English language, with the first 6 letters all being silent.

That aside, anything to suggest he denies the existence of the country he was born in, and who he represented at U21 level (I've just had a read on his wiki page)? I have no doubt he supports a united Ireland, but that is not the same thing.

Indeed, seems odd (to me anyway) he would make donations to charitable organisations based in a country that doesn't exist:

"McClean has made a number of charitable donations to the less fortunate in society. He made a significant donation to homeless people at the Wells and Foyle Valley House in Derry.[110] He donated £1,500 for a custom hand cycle bike help a child who was suffering from Spina Bifida.[111] He made another significant donation to the Wells facility in the Bogside, for up to 24 men who have alcohol problems.[112] He paid £1,750 for a new mobile home after hearing about a pregnant homeless woman's struggles on social media.[113] He donated £1000 to help pay for specialist proton therapy in Florida for a four-year-old child suffering from cancer.[114] He donated €1,200 to help pay for the funeral of a two-year-old boy who was struck by a car.[115] In December 2016 he set up a new clothing line with proceeds going to help homeless residents of his native Derry.[116] He donated £500 to an online fund set up to support the family of a missing Derry man.[117]"

You clearly miss the point don’t you.

He won’t view Northern Ireland as a country, he will view the counties of Northern Ireland as part of Southern Ireland. 

He has said “I was an Irish boy growing up”

But I was getting death threats for declaring for my country”

So he clearly doesn’t see Northern Ireland as a country, he was born in Londonderry, he is Northern Irish if he likes it or not, he is not Irish. 

 

Not really sure what donating money has to do with it. 

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3 hours ago, S25loyal said:

McClean wouldn’t accept that there is a country called Northern Ireland, or a city called Londonderry. So I’m really struggling to see what your point is here?

He's British, whether he likes it or not.

Going and telling him- maybe not so much you but others to go and play in his country, are quite silly therefore.

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1 hour ago, Cowshed said:

Its not really odd.

Generousity and stupidity can be bedfellows. 

If I was to wear for instance a white robe and pointed hat and share this picture on social media ... I would expect to be sacked from my employment.

This individual has previously made public statements describing terrorist as friends and heroes on remembrance day .. And now he is pictured in a balaclava like his friends and heroes who murdered people.

He is free to do it.

Expecting there not to be consequences makes him an imbecile. 

Wasn't aware terrorism was only one way in NI- or is it only classed as terrorism on one side?

Goes for @The Gasbuster also.

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I wonder if his history lesson also included the reasons why this 3 year old boy and 12 year old lad were callously bombed to death. 
I wonder......
No, I doubt it. He probably doesn’t care about these - likely views them as collateral damage  

The bloke is a dick. 

 

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29 minutes ago, Harry said:

I wonder if his history lesson also included the reasons why this 3 year old boy and 12 year old lad were callously bombed to death. 
I wonder......
No, I doubt it. He probably doesn’t care about these - likely views them as collateral damage  

The bloke is a dick. 

 

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Yes, of course- no Catholic civilians, possibly even young ones were killed during the NI conflict, IRA only terrorists etc. :rolleyes:

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Published on Thursday, it reveals that republicans were responsible for 43 per cent of children’s deaths, Loyalists for 27 per cent and the British army and RUC for 26 per cent of such deaths during the conflict.

Nothing like a balanced perspective- and yours amongst some others on here, is nothing like a balanced perspective. :thumbsup:

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2 hours ago, havanatopia said:

You mean as in I like ELO and Ford Corrina MK3's? Whereas you might not? Not really likely you will disrespect my opinion though is it? Therefore, by definition of your 'poppies mean different things to different people' we can and should respect those opinions would you agree? I am sure you do. Which is why you don't do what MacLean did do you?

Notwithstanding I still go back to the fact that by trashing the poppy he is spitting on an Irishman's grave. Like I said before, he is an uneducated heathen so we must cut him some slack I suppose.

You've confused me there.

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

He's British, whether he likes it or not.

Going and telling him- maybe not so much you but others to go and play in his country, are quite silly therefore.

Not really no, Northern Ireland isn’t part of Great Britain but of the United Kingdom. 

Have a look on your passport if you have one, he’s northern Irish which is part of Great Britain. 

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Wasn't aware terrorism was only one way in NI- or is it only classed as terrorism on one side?

Goes for @The Gasbuster also.

I didn't say it was one sided. The topic is about James McClean. My point was regarding generosity and stupidity.

At a time when the globe is facing what we could look upon as a existential crisis this individual is giving his children a history lesson wearing a balaclava and sharing this on social media.

It is a crass act.

 

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Yes, of course- no Catholic civilians, possibly even young ones were killed during the NI conflict, IRA only terrorists etc. :rolleyes:

I never suggested there weren’t. 
Just that he’s happy to revel in one side of it and I highly doubt his ‘history’ lesson would’ve included these innocent deaths as well as the ones on ‘his’ side. 
 

I’m not sure what’s become of you lately Mr Pops, you used to be a decent enough poster but you seem very argumentative and agitated of late. 

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On 27/03/2020 at 15:57, J-mat said:

Oh yeah don't get me wrong, he's a bellend. No need to go in as hard as he does and clearly enjoys winding people up. 

But I can respect his decision not to wear a poppy. It would be exactly the same as Brit playing in Germany being forced to wear a Swastika, (I'm not comparing the poppy to a swastika and wear mine with pride, before some melt gets their knickers in a twist) 

But you did compare the poppy to a swastika ....you said McClean refusing to wear a poppy would be .... “exactly the same as a Brit....being forced to wear a swastika”

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I thought it was funny. Professionally offended. Get a hobby.

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10 hours ago, Swede said:

As usual, this type of post brings out "best" in people.

I do not profess to know the guy, his family or his religious beliefs but with his talent he was quite happy to become a professional football player in England and take considerable payment in this country for it. It has also enabled him to play at international level for his country.

I agree with your post. However ‘country’ is an interesting one though, he represented Northern Ireland seven times at international level before he decided he was Southern Irish despite being born in Derry .... the guy is an idiot - he can’t help spouting off in public and undertaking provocative gestures - most people don’t feel the need to make dramatic public, high profile pronouncements about their beliefs - especially those who take a fortune in salary payments from a country they profess to hate ...

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7 hours ago, Three Lions said:

OTIK what is your view on the bloke quoting the ira as he has done before, wandering around during minutes silences v being respectful and wearing balaclavas etc ?? are you sticking up for him? are you supporting him? He could really make a moral stand and play outside of the UK or another stand back to Derry and play in the republic. chooses not to.

Derry is in Northern Ireland ...

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1 hour ago, S25loyal said:

Not really no, Northern Ireland isn’t part of Great Britain but of the United Kingdom. 

Have a look on your passport if you have one, he’s northern Irish which is part of Great Britain. ??

 

5 minutes ago, S25loyal said:

No such place as Derry, Londonderry is in Northern Ireland

Londonderry is in Northern Ireland, which, like Great Britain, is in the United Kingdom.

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1 hour ago, S25loyal said:

Not really no, Northern Ireland isn't part of Great Britain but of the United Kingdom. 

Have a look on your passport if you have one, he’s northern Irish which is part of Great Britain. 

Eh?!

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Sorry I obviously meant Northern Ireland isn’t part of Great Britain but of the UK.

McClean isn’t British, he’s northern Irish and from the United Kingdom. 

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yeah Bs4 red Derry/Londonderry is in Northern Ireland but Derry City play in the league of Ireland not the NIFL. he could go back there. maybe he would like to go to then states and play in the msl and post pictures of himself on instagram dressed as Osama Bin Laden for his jokes!!

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13 minutes ago, S25loyal said:

No such place as Derry, Londonderry is in Northern Ireland . 

Yep, I know - I was replying to a post that suggested Derry was in the RoI - just used the same word to point out it is in Northern Ireland ...

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One thing not to be overlooked here. 
Does anyone actually think this guy is any good at football? He’s somehow found a career at championship level, yet I don’t rate him as much better than lower L1. 
Highly overrated player, in my opinion. 

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2 minutes ago, Three Lions said:

yeah Bs4 red Derry/Londonderry is in Northern Ireland but Derry City play in the league of Ireland not the NIFL. he could go back there. maybe he would like to go to then states and play in the msl and post pictures of himself on instagram dressed as Osama Bin Laden for his jokes!!

Fair play, cheers, didn’t realise Derry City plays in the League of Ireland ...

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3 minutes ago, S25loyal said:

Not sure what your confused about? 

 Northern Ireland isn’t part of Britain, it’s part of the United Kingdom. 

So mcclean for example isn’t British, he’s northern Irish which is part of the UK.

I'm not at all confused.

You wrote that JM is 'northern Irish which is part of Great Britain.'

Hence the reason I inserted two large ?s and stated that Northern Ireland, like Great Britain, is in the United Kingdom. 

In essence, Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain, it is a separate country like Wales and Scotland, but both are part of the United Kingdom.

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3 minutes ago, Harry said:

One thing not to be overlooked here. 
Does anyone actually think this guy is any good at football? He’s somehow found a career at championship level, yet I don’t rate him as much better than lower L1. 
Highly overrated player, in my opinion. 

He played around 160 premier league games for WBA and Sunderland too ...

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11 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I'm not at all confused.

You wrote that JM is 'northern Irish which is part of Great Britain.'

Hence the reason I inserted two large ?s and stated that Northern Ireland, like Great Britain, is in the United Kingdom. 

In essence, Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain, it is a separate country like Wales and Scotland, but both are part of the United Kingdom.

Sorry Phil, I had a typo, I meant Northern Ireland isn’t part of Great Britain but of the United Kingdom

A little bit wrong , Wales and Scotland are part of Great Britain, Northern Ireland is not.  

If your born in England Scotland wales you are British, being born in Northern Ireland your not. Your northern Irish. 

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