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The Coronavirus - Including its effects on football

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The Italians cancelled all games in Lombardy and Veneto regions today including Inter vs Sampdoria to try and contain an outbreak of Coronavirus.

Unfortunately, it looks like the efforts to contain this virus globally have failed and it is only a matter of time until we get a major outbreak here. I suspect we could also see games being cancelled to try and contain any outbreak here. 

This could be a big issue for the football authorities (as well as the NHS of course and the Government). If the season isn’t cancelled, I could see games being held behind closed doors.

 

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It's possible. I guess it depends on how bad it gets here and what action the authorities need to take to try to isolate it. 

Personally I think it would be the right thing to do if there is a belief it will make a difference.

Other sporting events in that part of the world have already been cancelled and although it hasn't stopped the spread could it have prevented it from being worse.

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Almost certainly it will arrive and games will be cancelled. Just a case of when not if I think. 

More concerned by my children's exams and Uni to be honest. 

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I've got a feeling that they'll cancel the season and make all results during it null and void when we are 3-0 up in the 64th minute of the Championship Play Off Final at Wembley.

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Almost certainly unfortunately. I’m sure they’ll have some sort of protocol ready already on how to pick it back up. We’ll see

1 minute ago, RedDave said:

Absolutely not. Ridiculous suggestion. Barely a case in this country and China getting to grips with it from what I’ve heard. 

Began to spread through Europe

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Too late for us. Squad down to 12 during the week, due to illness - remainers played yesterday - only result 23000 potential sufferers spreading viral malaise all over the west and midlands! Certainly a match to remember!

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12 minutes ago, Bouncearoundtheground said:

Almost certainly unfortunately. I’m sure they’ll have some sort of protocol ready already on how to pick it back up. We’ll see

Began to spread through Europe

Are you saying you think its almost certain the season will be cancelled? Cannot see it.  This virus is hardly at plague levels!

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1 minute ago, RedDave said:

Are you saying you think its almost certain the season will be cancelled? Cannot see it.  This virus is hardly at plague levels!

Almost certain it will spread here, and judging by other countries reactions yes season may well be cancelled, more likely postponed 

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Unfortunately, I fear that the genie is out of the bottle and mass cancellations, lockdowns and quarantines are inevitable.  Certainly a case of when rather than if in my view.  It will take too long to develop a vaccine, so the best thing we can hope for for now is that quarantines and anti-virals restrict and alleviate the problem.

Expecting the worst but hoping for the best.

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20 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Absolutely not. Ridiculous suggestion. Barely a case in this country and China getting to grips with it from what I’ve heard. 

Not sure I agree it’s a ‘ridiculous suggestion’ - South Korea’s cases increased eight-fold in the last four days, Iran has gone from zero cases three days ago to 28 cases and five deaths, Italy is now the European hotspot reporting 50 cases and two deaths in just two days with no evidence of victims having links to China ... etc, etc.

I agree there is no need to panic, influenza infects millions worldwide each year and kills thousands, including in the UK, and no one ever seems too concerned about that, but this new virus is certainly not just a problem for China anymore, so to say “China is  getting to grips with it from what you’ve heard” isn’t really relevant.

And do you believe everything that comes out of China?! Funny how that hard-hitting journo who was exposing the truth about this virus and its progress over there suddenly disappeared off the face of the earth ... and the doctor who discovered it and announced it over there last September was suddenly arrested and made to sign a statement saying he’d made it all up ... he then mysteriously died of the disease...I love a good conspiracy theory me! 

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1 minute ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Not sure I agree it’s a ‘ridiculous suggestion’ - South Korea’s cases increased eight-fold in the last four days, Iran has gone from zero cases three days ago to 28 cases and five deaths, Italy is now the European hotspot reporting 50 cases and two deaths in just two days with no evidence of victims having links to China ... etc, etc.

I agree there is no need to panic, influenza infects millions worldwide each year and kills thousands, including in the UK, and no one ever seems too concerned about that, but this new virus is certainly not just a problem for China anymore, so to say “China is  getting to grips with it from what you’ve heard” isn’t really relevant.

And do you believe everything that comes out of China?! Funny how that hard-hitting journo who was exposing the truth about this virus and its progress over there suddenly disappeared off the face of the earth ... and the doctor who discovered it and announced it over there last September was suddenly arrested and made to sign a statement saying he’d made it all up ... he then mysteriously died of the disease...I love a good conspiracy theory me! 

My work depends on what happens in China in terms of factories. They are opening up again. Actions speak louder than words for me.  

This virus is less deadly than flu it seems so far. The season is nearly over. Just can’t see it being cancelled.  All seems a bit of an overreaction so far. 

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31 minutes ago, RedDave said:

My work depends on what happens in China in terms of factories. They are opening up again. Actions speak louder than words for me.  

This virus is less deadly than flu it seems so far. The season is nearly over. Just can’t see it being cancelled.  All seems a bit of an overreaction so far. 

Fair play - China may be coping better now but other countries are becoming increasingly affected. I agree that it’s nothing to unduly panic about at this stage - and I’m sure the authorities here haven’t considered cancelling the football season yet - but I wouldn’t rule out some sort of reaction in terms of event-cancelling if the situation gets any worse over here

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1 hour ago, RedDave said:

Absolutely not. Ridiculous suggestion. Barely a case in this country and China getting to grips with it from what I’ve heard. 

Another opportunity for a poll, isn’t it?

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28 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Another opportunity for a poll, isn’t it?

Yes is LJ to blame for the coronavirus!

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1 hour ago, RedDave said:

My work depends on what happens in China in terms of factories. They are opening up again. Actions speak louder than words for me.  

This virus is less deadly than flu it seems so far. The season is nearly over. Just can’t see it being cancelled.  All seems a bit of an overreaction so far. 

Not convinced China have a grip on it, keep changing how they report it and appear to be not counting people who haven’t gone to hospital.

Plenty in China saying people died from it but kept away from authorities so wouldn’t count towards figures.

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2 hours ago, RedDave said:

Absolutely not. Ridiculous suggestion. Barely a case in this country and China getting to grips with it from what I’ve heard. 

Not ridiculous at all. Relentless travel and the difficulty in diagnosing prior to symptoms means our best hope is a vaccine prior to mass spread. 

I imagine later this season or early next there may be a ban on all mass gatherings. 

Up to 50 million died from Spanish Flu last century and that was before mass travel. 

Measures like cancelling events would be a minimum action should it get a grip here. 

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Then whole thing is a pathetic overreaction to a necessary part of nature.

Death rate for under 50's is 0.5%. The rate for healthy people is 0.9%. So the rate for those both healthy and under 50 is 0.45%. Can a global population of nearly 8billion survive that kind death rate? Of course it can. It needs it if anything. 

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No

6 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Then whole thing is a pathetic overreaction to a necessary part of nature.

Death rate for under 50's is 0.5%. The rate for healthy people is 0.9%. So the rate for those both healthy and under 50 is 0.45%. Can a global population of nearly 8billion survive that kind death rate? Of course it can. It needs it if anything. 

Exactly this 

Usual overreaction 

We're we not supposed to all be killed by SARS and bird flu? 

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9 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Then whole thing is a pathetic overreaction to a necessary part of nature.

Death rate for under 50's is 0.5%. The rate for healthy people is 0.9%. So the rate for those both healthy and under 50 is 0.45%. Can a global population of nearly 8billion survive that kind death rate? Of course it can. It needs it if anything. 

What an idiotic statement. 

If you care for anyone who is vulnerable, you wouldn't see them as acceptable collateral in a Darwinian storyline. 

If my son were to contract it, it would be a huge risk to his life and the same many other people I know. 

If the benchmark for addressing a problem is whether humanity will survive it, then why are we wasting money and effort on looking after the elderly? Maybe we should just get rid and spend the money on something else. 

 

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22 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Then whole thing is a pathetic overreaction to a necessary part of nature.

Death rate for under 50's is 0.5%. The rate for healthy people is 0.9%. So the rate for those both healthy and under 50 is 0.45%. Can a global population of nearly 8billion survive that kind death rate? Of course it can. It needs it if anything. 

Yeah, we should make no attempt to stop the spread of a highly contagious infection at all, let it overwhelm our health services and just accept that 1 in every 200 healthy young people who get it will die.

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35 minutes ago, hodge said:

Imagine Liverpool not winning the title due to coronavirus :laugh:

Why else do you think United signed Ighalo?!

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1 hour ago, CotswoldRed said:

Not ridiculous at all. Relentless travel and the difficulty in diagnosing prior to symptoms means our best hope is a vaccine prior to mass spread. 

I imagine later this season or early next there may be a ban on all mass gatherings. 

Up to 50 million died from Spanish Flu last century and that was before mass travel. 

Measures like cancelling events would be a minimum action should it get a grip here. 

This virus doesn’t compare to Spanish flu surely?

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3 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

What an idiotic statement. 

If you care for anyone who is vulnerable, you wouldn't see them as acceptable collateral in a Darwinian storyline. 

If my son were to contract it, it would be a huge risk to his life and the same many other people I know. 

If the benchmark for addressing a problem is whether humanity will survive it, then why are we wasting money and effort on looking after the elderly? Maybe we should just get rid and spend the money on something else. 

 

Honestly. I have no idea why we waste all that money mate.

Pretty clear we aren't going to agree on this. Essentially you're final paragraph sums it all up.

 

On topic: of course we shouldn't cancel the league.

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1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:

Then whole thing is a pathetic overreaction to a necessary part of nature.

Death rate for under 50's is 0.5%. The rate for healthy people is 0.9%. So the rate for those both healthy and under 50 is 0.45%. Can a global population of nearly 8billion survive that kind death rate? Of course it can. It needs it if anything

Alright Thanos calm down :fear:

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6 hours ago, Eighteen ninetyfour said:

It only would take a few people with the virus in the stadium to infect a big percentage of the attendance. With that happening, thats enough to spread through an entire city.

So Rovers' matches probably not under threat then.

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1 hour ago, RedDave said:

This virus doesn’t compare to Spanish flu surely?

Mortality rate is about the same, there are far fewer cases though so likely it's harder to transmit and care is far better now than 100 years ago.

It may yet be that this becomes a pandemic but so far it's looking hopeful as recoveries are happening much faster than new cases at the moment.

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6 hours ago, RedDave said:

Absolutely not. Ridiculous suggestion. Barely a case in this country and China getting to grips with it from what I’ve heard. 

“From what I’ve heard” 😂

And it’s not a ridiculous suggestion at all. 

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6 hours ago, RedDave said:

Absolutely not. Ridiculous suggestion. Barely a case in this country and

**China getting to grips with it from what I’ve heard. 

China getting a grip?  really? 

Dont hold your breath …. It took them about 300years to get rid of the Ming Dysentery!  😷

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3 hours ago, phantom said:

No

Exactly this 

Usual overreaction 

We're we not supposed to all be killed by SARS and bird flu? 

I think people are very complacent because SARS and bird flu didn’t affect us.

The difference between this and SARS is it is much more infectious and has a long incubation period. This means clusters can suddenly break out almost from nowhere like has happened in Korea and Italy. 10 towns in Italy have been put on lock down today.

The good news is it is not very deadly and many people only get mild symptoms but it could still kill 10s of thousands in the UK and put huge pressure on the NHS

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7 hours ago, Eighteen ninetyfour said:

It only would take a few people with the virus in the stadium to infect a big percentage of the attendance. With that happening, thats enough to spread through an entire city.

Nonsense. 

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17 hours ago, RedDave said:

My work depends on what happens in China in terms of factories. They are opening up again. Actions speak louder than words for me.  

This virus is less deadly than flu it seems so far. The season is nearly over. Just can’t see it being cancelled.  All seems a bit of an overreaction so far. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Seneca the Younger said:

 

 

Interesting opinion piece for sure. So many opinion pieces out there but worth taking it all in. Got another call on this tomorrow. Will be good to get more updates from experts.

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18 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Yeah, we should make no attempt to stop the spread of a highly contagious infection at all, let it overwhelm our health services and just accept that 1 in every 200 healthy young people who get it will die.

The general mortality rate in the UK is 4.4 in 1000, or to put it another way a little under 1 in 200 people always die.  Coronavirus has had virtually zero impact on the normal mortality rate in China - there are literally dozens of illnesses that kill way more people every day, including as has been mentioned before, ordinary flu.

The whole thing has been blown massively out of proportion and the suggestion that sporting events should be cancelled is ridiculous. If that were true we should cancel everything forever, because of all the other illnesses out there that people might catch. 

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There's a middle ground between panic and complacency.

We have no herd immunity so the fact it's about as deadly as flu* isn't the only consideration. The risk is that many more people will get it than get the flu (20-25% of diamond princess passengers in less than a month), so even with low fatality rates that's serious.

We know it's spreading in multiple countries and the authorities can't find the source cases. It's likely that it's also spreading in other locations that haven't yet been identified.

That doesn't mean we should give up on containment. We need to keep working to slow down the spread to give heath services as much time as possible to prepare. That doesn't mean canceling football matches yet, but it might do soon.

 

*I think that's wrong. Just checked a source which says seasons flu mortality is lower

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Made a mistake, added an asterisk

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I hear the entire Rovers away support on Saturday have been quarantined for fear of spreading the virus.

 

He was quoted as being "very concerned"...

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On 23/02/2020 at 10:24, RedDave said:

Absolutely not. Ridiculous suggestion. Barely a case in this country and China getting to grips with it from what I’ve heard. 

Still ‘ridiculous’? 322 infected persons in Italy now and 10 deaths - the Ireland vs Italy ‘Six Nations’ rugby match may be cancelled - Japan has cancelled all football matches until mid-March and in Italy five Serie A matches will be played behind closed doors... it goes on ...

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On 24/02/2020 at 08:31, Riaz said:

For a illness that is less lethal then flu?

no

Less lethal? You sure? Less infections than flu at present but not necessarily ‘less lethal’ ...

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