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33 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

I must admit that when I saw Boris’s press conference my first thought was for the poor pub and restaurant owners and the low paid workers on zero hours contracts that depend on them. The government has told us to stay away from them but not told them to close. 
this is an unprecedented situation and this is exactly what governments are employed to deal with. All non-essential businesses should close but with guarantee of income that enables them to survive. Yes it will cost £billions but not as much as having no economy and millions of jobless and homeless when this thing finally blows over. 
It’s not normal for a Tory government to subsidise businesses, but what is happening isn’t normal either and if we want our economy to recover we need those businesses to be able to pick up from where they left off. 

Far better to spend too much now in the economic sense than 'not enough....

If we managed it back during the war we can afford to support now...

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Can our ******* Government actually make a ******* decision.  Advice does not help, our employers need support and be told to send those at risk, or those that live with those at risk home.
I could easily do my job from home.

**** Boris is not going to be remembered fondly.

Theresa May ‘I was crap’, Boris ‘Hold my Beer’.

Not that I think Jeremy Corbyn would have done any better.  We have such low grade politicians at the moment.

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22 minutes ago, NOTBLUE said:

I wouldn’t expect much leadership from Mr Johnson,the man who hid in a fridge and wouldn’t do TV interviews,and yesterday was waffling on about handshakes being able to be banned since 1984(I think that’s he said).He talked a lot but actually did the sum total of **** all,but did a lot of asking.

and on a side note,when someone asked his local MP how could people be expected to survive on £94 ssp,he was told to “ get a life”,charming.

Which MP was this?? That's fairly disgusting and in these times certainly.

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9 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Can our ******* Government actually make a ******* decision.  Advice does not help, our employers need support and be told to send those at risk, or those that live with those at risk home.
I could easily do my job from home.

**** Boris is not going to be remembered fondly.

Theresa May ‘I was crap’, Boris ‘Hold my Beer’.

Not that I think Jeremy Corbyn would have done any better.  We have such low grade politicians at the moment.

Careful RR you’ll get some aubergines now,so hurtful ?

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12 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Can our ******* Government actually make a ******* decision.  Advice does not help, our employers need support and be told to send those at risk, or those that live with those at risk home.
I could easily do my job from home.

**** Boris is not going to be remembered fondly.

Theresa May ‘I was crap’, Boris ‘Hold my Beer’.

Not that I think Jeremy Corbyn would have done any better.  We have such low grade politicians at the moment.

Maybe this is what you get when you pay footballers fortunes and the politicians (relatively) peanuts.

Not necessarily knocking football, this could apply to all "stars"

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May get an emoji or two but tbh I am NOT singling out any country here.

I get the impression, was thinking about this earlier, they were treating this as a normal recession until lately, or something like. Fiscal stimulus such as announced in Sunak's first budget, cutting interest rates and cutting again to virtually zero...fine in a standard recession but certainly not enough now- think the penny is finally dropping but even so.

If you look at the measures though, or a lot of them economically that have been taken to date they are in line with past recessions..but past recessions in our lifetime have seen nothing quite like this upheaval- even in 2008/09, a bit of stimulus, bit of rate cuts- well it took a lot out but if you're having to close businesses, lay off staff temporarily or otherwise- think of mothballing plants and factories in the past, it just doesn't cut it.

I even remember if they- as in Governments not any in particular- had properly learnt and absorbed the lessons of that crash...not sure! This one feels more serious in a number of ways than even the late 2000's one!

Time is of the essence here, from an economic standpoint alone- how many jobs have been lost already I wonder?

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4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

May get an emoji or two but tbh I am NOT singling out any country here.

I get the impression, was thinking about this earlier, they were treating this as a normal recession until lately, or something like. Fiscal stimulus such as announced in Sunak's first budget, cutting interest rates and cutting again to virtually zero...fine in a standard recession but certainly not enough now- think the penny is finally dropping but even so.

If you look at the measures though, or a lot of them economically that have been taken to date they are in line with past recessions..but past recessions in our lifetime have seen nothing quite like this upheaval- even in 2008/09, a bit of stimulus, bit of rate cuts- well it took a lot out but if you're having to close businesses, lay off staff temporarily or otherwise- think of mothballing plants and factories in the past, it just doesn't cut it.

I even remember if they- as in Governments not any in particular- had properly learnt and absorbed the lessons of that crash...not sure! This one feels more serious in a number of ways than even the late 2000's one!

Clarity is what is needed, what with Coronavirus  and whatever form of Brexit is on the way we’re ******.

 

2 unknowables at once is going to screw us.

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7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

May get an emoji or two but tbh I am NOT singling out any country here.

I get the impression, was thinking about this earlier, they were treating this as a normal recession until lately, or something like. Fiscal stimulus such as announced in Sunak's first budget, cutting interest rates and cutting again to virtually zero...fine in a standard recession but certainly not enough now- think the penny is finally dropping but even so.

If you look at the measures though, or a lot of them economically that have been taken to date they are in line with past recessions..but past recessions in our lifetime have seen nothing quite like this upheaval- even in 2008/09, a bit of stimulus, bit of rate cuts- well it took a lot out but if you're having to close businesses, lay off staff temporarily or otherwise- think of mothballing plants and factories in the past, it just doesn't cut it.

I even remember if they- as in Governments not any in particular- had properly learnt and absorbed the lessons of that crash...not sure! This one feels more serious in a number of ways than even the late 2000's one!

Time is of the essence here, from an economic standpoint alone- how many jobs have been lost already I wonder?

The contrast between France's economic measures and ours is staggering.

Last night Macron announced the suspension of mortgages, rents and all utility bills as well as underwriting €300bn in loans for struggling companies.

We've effectively shattered the hospitality industry in a stroke, shrugged and walked off thus far.

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Two or three bits of football related Corona news.

1) Liverpool have donated £40k worth of food to a foodbank- presume surplus stock that will not be required in the games scheduled off- football can do its bit for sure, an excellent example! :clap:

2) The surprising- and likely fanciful. Reported in one or two places that Italy is a) Looking to get Serie A done by end of June and b) Looking to resume it by May 3rd...no chance surely!

3) The less surprising, but sadly called early by some as doubtful. Ronaldo donating his hotels to Coronavirus and paying for treatment- untrue. Confirmed as a hoax.

@Stortz That is the big bazooka financially speaking that is needed here. Yeah do a bit of interest rates and some QE too, but that is what is required, the French approach, think Germany did a fair bit too but would have to have a closer look- France has it right here!

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1 hour ago, pillred said:

If you believe the government (I know I know) they say they have increased spending on the NHS above the rate of inflation for the past ten years. If that's the case where the hell has all the money gone? and why are they always saying they need more? I would be genuinely interested to hear from someone that knows about these things.

I think the core problem PR is that demand has been rising even faster than spending because of our ageing population. There are subsidiary problems caused by cuts in social care - frail elderly patients "bed blocking" because there is no care package in place to look after them in their own homes. It's one of the things De Pfeffel promised to fix in his election manifesto, yet a huge budget was unveiled recently with zero proposals on the issue.

45 minutes ago, downendcity said:

My wife is secretary to a consultant surgeon in his private practice.

He says that the private hospital in which he does his private work is gearing up to be utilised in dealing with coronavirus. They are cancelling elective surgery at the local NHS hospital and he expects that surgery at the private hospital will stop shortly, because anaesthetists will be needed in treating CV patients. The consultant is an orthopaedic surgeon but is getting training in using ventilators.

 

That is cheering news indeed, DC. Thanks for sharing.

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2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Words fail me...I'm assuming she hasn't exactly grasped the seriousness of this situation.

She's blaming it on being under stress as she was in Spain trying to get her brother home, as he suffers from dementia.

In such circumstances, the best thing to do would be to stay off twitter.

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15 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

You certainly aren’t letting the facts get in the way. You have made the weird and arrogant decision that you understand businesses’ insurance policies better than those businesses themselves. 

A lot of small theatres and music venues are small independent businesses - in many cases essentially doubling up as  a town’s local pub. From what people do involved with them tell me, their insurance would be affected. Not just large events like Glastonbury.

These people know their businesses. You very evidently do not know their businesses. I am really not clear why posters who have never seen their insurance policies feel they know best here but I can promise you don’t.

Hardly a fringe point either.

 

If you don’t know pubs, bars and venues’ insurance policies, maybe admit that rather than pretending you do for political convenience? 
 

So let’s not let the facts get in the way indeed.

I will admit it’s 30 years since I left the insurance industry, but this article backs up my point.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51927691

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16 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Great post. ??
 

edit: so far in two speeches he’s been reactive, 1) initially on Thursday 2) yesterday was a change of message, one positive is he appears to be reactive to the mood post-speech.

What will be get today.  Another change of message in reaction to being woolly yesterday, e.g. a message of financial support available, not just a suggestion?

At some point, hopefully today, he needs to get on the front foot and lay out what is going to happen, not use each press conference as a chance to rectify the poor message of the previous day.

 

Just my meandering thoughts on this FWIW - not aimed directly at you Mr. Fevs, just that it was the last post I looked at.

I think this crisis is moving incredibly fast and its likely we'll always be a day behind playing catch up as things develop. 

But yes, its obvious that SMEs, pubs etc, and people with debts to pay but no means of doing so through no fault of their own will need huge support. The measures put in place (but yet to materialise and they need to get them in place very soon) are very welcome but, as I said, its moving at a pace and its changing daily but its obvious that more needs to be put in place and I would hope that more on that will come today. The banks were bailed out earlier this century and its now time for payback. But I wouldn't have expected everything to be in place from day one and those that do think that are being naive imo. It'll never be enough for some though.

Seems like the public are being sensible in the main by not socialising in pubs etc (or at least cutting it down), and reducing journeys on public transport (buses in Bristol about to announce cut down services as London has done). Businesses also, in the main, appear to be acting responsibly and following the Government guidelines. Much better that we aren't under some sort of martial law and still have some freedoms and normal life whilst trying to keep this virus under control. 

The self isolation issue seems to have be clarified but they are still people who are under the impression its some sort of house arrest. That needs further clarification. 80 year old on the radio yesterday was up in arms about staying indoors for 3 months and wouldn't listen to reason - its ageist apparently. Another aspect of this is care homes stopping relatives visiting - a bit of common sense and compassion is required. One lady on the radio said she can't see her husband who has dementia so she asked if she could go to his window so he could at least see her. Heart rending stuff which isn't necessary if the correct risk assessments are in place. 

It would help if people and elements of the media were a bit more circumspect and stop the scare mongering, banging on about millions being homeless in the future, 500,000 deaths etc etc . Stuff like that really doesn't help - and neither does people trying to score petty political points which is pathetic.

I'll get me coat.

 

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48 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Can our ******* Government actually make a ******* decision.  Advice does not help, our employers need support and be told to send those at risk, or those that live with those at risk home.
I could easily do my job from home.

**** Boris is not going to be remembered fondly.

Theresa May ‘I was crap’, Boris ‘Hold my Beer’.

Not that I think Jeremy Corbyn would have done any better.  We have such low grade politicians at the moment.

Well I thought the ‘advice’ was quite clear yesterday. 
If you have the ability to work from home then you should. That was made quite clear. 
As for those “at risk”, it’s also quite clear that those who are in at risk categories should stay away from work or any kind of social gathering. 

Whilst this is just ‘advice’ at this stage, I think you are incorrect to say that it’s not been made clear. It’s really quite, quite clear that if you have the ability to work from home (which you have said you can easily do) then you should. I don’t know what is in any way ambiguous about that? 
 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults

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23 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

I will admit it’s 30 years since I left the insurance industry, but this article backs up my point.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51927691

This article seems to sum it up;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/most-coronavirus-hit-uk-firms-not-protected-by-their-insurance-policies

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