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9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Here's a football related story!

The top 6 in the Championship, apparently are looking at legal action against the Football League, the Premier League or perhaps both, if promotion denied/season cancelled.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/

@bcfc01 Yemen's a warzone or has been, god knows what he's playing at- unless reporting from there?

Not sure if this link works;

https://twitter.com/simoncalder?lang=en

But he is definitely in Yemen.

 

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With news of the Euros being postponed by a year, and all the talk this morning of how long this will last, I can't help thinking that this season re-start again next March, and we'll just not have a 20-21 season

Bit annoying, as I've just bought my season ticket!

 

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3 minutes ago, italian dave said:

I'm not for a minute claiming to be an expert on this, but as I understand it health spending in the U.K. has increases over the past decade, as it has over the past 70 years , whether you measure that before or after inflation. There have been a few short periods, 2010/11 ish being the last, where that didn't happen, but overall upwards. However, it's gone up be less in the past decade than it had before that.

The problem is that tells only a small % of the story.

Over the same time we've grown older, we live longer, we get more illnesses in old age etc etc. When the welfare state was introduced after the war I believe that the average person lived for three years after their state pension age. That's an issue for pensions, but it's also a hell of a lot of hip replacements not to mention longer term illness.

In addition, we've got far far better at treating people, but at a cost. I know a little about cystic fibrosis, for example. 20 years ago if you had CF you'd probably die by the age of 20, and you'd have few drug options beyond anti-biotics. Nowadays, you might live twice that long (with all the hospitalisation that involves) and there are specialist drugs now coming on the market. One, Orkambi, was the subject of a recent campaign to get approval for its use by the NHS, and there are second and third generations now being trialled. They cost literally hundreds of thousands of pounds per patient each year. 

So, just keeping up with inflation, or even a little above it, is way way short of what's needed.

Lastly, it depends what you spend on, as well. The government recently announced capital funding for new hospitals. That's all well and good, but if you keep revenue funding (day to day spending) at its current levels, as we are, then you won't have any nurses or doctors to work there.

The US as a whole spends more on healthcare per capita than just about anywhere else, but has some of the worse outcomes because their system is completely disfunctional.

We spent, in 2017 (latest data apparently) just under £3000 per person, which is around the OECD average, but less than the old EU15 average. 

Have run out of likes but thankyou for taking the time to answer my question, put like that it's easy to see how we have got to this.

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17 minutes ago, Super said:

Just keep it for how it's affecting football. The politics point scoring should be on another thread.

It’s affecting football because it’s stopped it. 
I can’t see any football matches taking place until 2021 to be honest. Apparently this virus can be caught again, so as long as there is someone on the planet with it, it will just cycle around and around until the boffins find a cure. 

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13 minutes ago, Galway Red said:

Do you not realise that there is no football to talk about instead of crying to mods? 

Er how it is actually affecting football? Which is what the title says. Try reading it next time.

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4 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

It’s affecting football because it’s stopped it. 
I can’t see any football matches taking place until 2021 to be honest. Apparently this virus can be caught again, so as long as there is someone on the planet with it, it will just cycle around and around until the boffins find a cure. 

First time I've seen that other than the false report about a lady in China (?).

Where did you see this - be interested to read about it.

 

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6 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

It’s affecting football because it’s stopped it. 
I can’t see any football matches taking place until 2021 to be honest. Apparently this virus can be caught again, so as long as there is someone on the planet with it, it will just cycle around and around until the boffins find a cure. 

Heard a so called expert yesterday on Breakfast news and when it was put to him about re infection said it would only be in exceptional cases as the bodies immune system in the vast majority of people would not let that happen.

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1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

Fair enough - sorry for grumpily dragging you and @PHILINFRANCE into an argument with another poster. I obviously only know what the bars and venues I know have told me they believe to be true. I obviously haven't read the actual insurance docs themselves so cannot be certain who is right. 

No worries, I didn’t make it clear I worked in insurance, albeit a long time ago, selling General Branch, I did think that it wouldn’t have changed much in those intervening years.  Events will probably be covered, the general business, unless the owners had great foresight and the budget, probably haven’t got that level of cover.

The only way these businesses will survive is with aid or this being a very short term lockdown.

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9 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

First time I've seen that other than the false report about a lady in China (?).

Where did you see this - be interested to read about it.

 

 

7 minutes ago, pillred said:

Heard a so called expert yesterday on Breakfast news and when it was put to him about re infection said it would only be in exceptional cases as the bodies immune system in the vast majority of people would not let that happen.

Truth is, don't know if any of us can say for sure but saw something about Japan, case or cases of reinfection- don't know if any expert let alone any of us if they are being honest, can say for sure either way.

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4 minutes ago, pillred said:

Heard a so called expert yesterday on Breakfast news and when it was put to him about re infection said it would only be in exceptional cases as the bodies immune system in the vast majority of people would not let that happen.

Indeed. Article from yesterday, suggests it's very unlikely that somebody could be reinfected, but as with most things to do with this virus, it's a best guess based on previous viruses. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/the-big-question-over-coronavirus-can-a-person-get-it-twice

One of the most concerning issues since the emergence of the Covid-19 virus has been whether those who have had it can get it a second time – and what that means for immunity.

On Monday, both Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, and Prof Chris Whitty, Boris Johnson’s chief medical adviser, sought to reassure the public. Those who have had the virus once will develop some immunity, they said – and it is rare to get an infectious disease again.

The questions first arose last month, after Japanese authorities said a woman who had had the virus, and been declared virus-free, had tested positive again. Scientists were left confused by the news and and also uneasy.

Prof Mark Harris, an expert in virology at Leeds University, said reinfection in that case was “unlikely”, but added that “there is some evidence in the scientific literature for persistent infections of animal coronaviruses (mainly in bats)”.

When Vallance was asked on Monday if the Japanese case meant herd immunity was no longer achievable, he replied that some people do catch infectious diseases a second time, but that it is a rare occurrence. There was no evidence to suggest that it would occur with the coronavirus, he added.

Prof Whitty explained that with diseases, even if there is no long-term immunity, there is normally some short-term immunity.

Prof Jon Cohen, emeritus professor of infectious diseases at Brighton and Sussex Medical School, said: “The answer is that we simply don’t know [about reinfection] yet because we don’t have an antibody test for the infection, although we will have soon.

“However, it is very likely, based on other viral infections, that yes, once a person has had the infection they will generally be immune and won’t get it again. There will always be the odd exception, but that is certainly a reasonable expectation.”

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25 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Here's a football related story!

The top 6 in the Championship, apparently are looking at legal action against the Football League, the Premier League or perhaps both, if promotion denied/season cancelled.

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/leeds-united-promotion-coronavirus-voided-17935890

@bcfc01 Yemen's a warzone or has been, god knows what he's playing at- unless reporting from there?

Kick them all out.

City now top. Voila!!!

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2 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

No worries, I isn’t make it clear I worked in insurance, albeit a long time ago, selling General Branch, I did think that it wouldn’t have changed much in those intervening years.  Events will probably be covered, the general business, unless the owners had great foresight and the budget, probably haven’t got that level of cover.

The only way these businesses will survive is with aid or this being a very short term lockdown.

By events, interested to you what you define as events.

Do you mean like sports events ie football, or weddings, or Trade Shows- pretty broad industry, quite a lot of differing types...

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4 minutes ago, elhombrecito said:

Indeed. Article from yesterday, suggests it's very unlikely that somebody could be reinfected, but as with most things to do with this virus, it's a best guess based on previous viruses. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/the-big-question-over-coronavirus-can-a-person-get-it-twice

One of the most concerning issues since the emergence of the Covid-19 virus has been whether those who have had it can get it a second time – and what that means for immunity.

On Monday, both Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, and Prof Chris Whitty, Boris Johnson’s chief medical adviser, sought to reassure the public. Those who have had the virus once will develop some immunity, they said – and it is rare to get an infectious disease again.

The questions first arose last month, after Japanese authorities said a woman who had had the virus, and been declared virus-free, had tested positive again. Scientists were left confused by the news and and also uneasy.

Prof Mark Harris, an expert in virology at Leeds University, said reinfection in that case was “unlikely”, but added that “there is some evidence in the scientific literature for persistent infections of animal coronaviruses (mainly in bats)”.

When Vallance was asked on Monday if the Japanese case meant herd immunity was no longer achievable, he replied that some people do catch infectious diseases a second time, but that it is a rare occurrence. There was no evidence to suggest that it would occur with the coronavirus, he added.

Prof Whitty explained that with diseases, even if there is no long-term immunity, there is normally some short-term immunity.

Prof Jon Cohen, emeritus professor of infectious diseases at Brighton and Sussex Medical School, said: “The answer is that we simply don’t know [about reinfection] yet because we don’t have an antibody test for the infection, although we will have soon.

“However, it is very likely, based on other viral infections, that yes, once a person has had the infection they will generally be immune and won’t get it again. There will always be the odd exception, but that is certainly a reasonable expectation.”

Thanks for the comprehensive answer, should put a lot of peoples minds at rest.

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2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

By events, interested to you what you define as events.

Do you mean like sports events ie football, or weddings, or Trade Shows- pretty broad industry, quite a lot of differing types...

I was talking in the terms of the mini thread here, reference entertainment venues, concerts, festivals and other ‘events’ probably have more risk covered on a one off event policy, than a business buying annual insurance.  There will be exceptions, some organiser will have taken the risk themselves, some businesses might have the top level of cover, but many won’t.

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It's amazing that the top six clubs don't want this season to be declared null and void whilst presuming that they alone are the only clubs that could possibly be in contention for promotion. With potentially another 9 games to complete the season it's possible though not unlightly that that all these six clubs would remain in the top six til the end.

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11 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

First time I've seen that other than the false report about a lady in China (?).

Where did you see this - be interested to read about it.

 

Tbh I read it some time ago but in reaction to your challenge I found this via google:

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1256023/coronavirus-repeat-infection-can-you-get-coronavirus-twice-covid-19
 

 

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4 minutes ago, walnutroof said:

He was on itv London news a couple of days ago so he’d be very stupid if he flew there in the last couple of days and certainly no expert 

He is on a Yemeni island where the flights do not go into Yemen but via Cairo so he may well have had flights booked from there. But even so, schoolboy error going anywhere if he departed in the last few days.

 

3 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

Tbh I read it some time ago but in reaction to your challenge I found this via google:

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1256023/coronavirus-repeat-infection-can-you-get-coronavirus-twice-covid-19
 

 

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It wasn't a challenge, just interested.

Others have also replied - its an important topic.

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2 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

He is on a Yemeni island where the flights do not go into Yemen but via Cairo so he may well have had flights booked from there. But even so, schoolboy error going anywhere if he departed in the last few days.

 

It wasn't a challenge, just interested.

Others have also replied - its an important topic.

Sorry - I meant challenge in a positive way. I made a statement and it’s right and proper to back it up ?

it DOES say that it’s rare to catch it twice - but it can happen. 

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3 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

I can see the Tories (reluctantly) having to adopt some of the fiscal policies championed by Labour and the Greens.

A period of time with a universal basic income? A suspension of repayments or even temporary nationalisation of some services.

All of which will cost money, but even Boris must realise that the sick can't pay for housing, bills and food on SSP.

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2020/03/15/the-government-must-create-all-the-money-needed-to-keep-people-companies-banks-and-our-economy-going-now-without-limit/ 

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet (I don't think) are parachute payments.

It was once a case that if you got relegated from the Prem, you had 3 years of parachute payments and if you got promoted then the remaining monies were shared equally amongst Championship clubs, but then they changed the rules and if a club got promoted again, the PL kept the money.

But if we assume (I haven't looked up the exact number) that the league gets declared null and void, would there be an opportunity for the EFL Championship to make a claim for these payments, which with 3 relegated clubs would be approx 135mil in year one, which split across the 24 teams would be over 5.5mil extra in revenue in year one, and then scaled back over the remaining 2 years, subject to any newly relegated club not receiving that payment on top of any other parachute payment they get.

It might help with sustainability and with the crap tv deal, solidarity payment and all that sort of thing it could help close the gap slightly between the Champ and the Prem.

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15 minutes ago, walnutroof said:

According to the sun (so it must be true) ourselves Derby and Reading were also in the meeting 

I would hope even if we were in the top 6 we wouldn't be looking at any legal action. There are more things important than the football (sometimes)!

 

The Euros now officially cancelled until 2021, so I guess the season can be extended depending on time when it is safe to play again? 

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20 minutes ago, italian dave said:

I'm not for a minute claiming to be an expert on this, but as I understand it health spending in the U.K. has increased over the past decade, as it has over the past 70 years , whether you measure that before or after inflation. There have been a few short periods, 2010/11 ish being the last, where that didn't happen, but overall upwards. However, it's gone up by less in the past decade than it had before that.

The problem is that tells only a small % of the story.

Over the same time we've grown older, we live longer, we get more illnesses in old age etc etc. When the welfare state was introduced after the war I believe that the average person lived for three years after their state pension age. That's an issue for pensions, but it's also a hell of a lot of hip replacements not to mention longer term illness.

In addition, we've got far far better at treating people, but at a cost. I know a little about cystic fibrosis, for example. 20 years ago if you had CF you'd probably die by the age of 20, and you'd have few drug options beyond anti-biotics. Nowadays, you might live twice that long (with all the hospitalisation that involves) and there are specialist drugs now coming on the market. One, Orkambi, was the subject of a recent campaign to get approval for its use by the NHS, and there are second and third generations now being trialled. They cost literally hundreds of thousands of pounds per patient each year. 

So, just keeping up with inflation, or even a little above it, is way way short of what's needed.

Lastly, it depends what you spend on, as well. The government recently announced capital funding for new hospitals. That's all well and good, but if you keep revenue funding (day to day spending) at its current levels, as we are, then you won't have any nurses or doctors to work there.

The US as a whole spends more on healthcare per capita than just about anywhere else, but has some of the worse outcomes because their system is completely disfunctional.

We spent, in 2017 (latest data apparently) just under £3000 per person, which is around the OECD average, but less than the old EU15 average. 

2018-19 the NHS paid out £2.4bn( not million) in compensation. When you bear in mind the total NHS budget is about £130n that's a big chunk. Yes there will always be mistakes and families affected should receive compensation, but how much of this is driven by the blame and claim culture heavily promoted by accident claim lawyers? 

Also, for those wanting to get political about the NHS and particularly the Tory's funding in the last decade, then you need to factor in the costs of PFI incurred under Labour's government pre 2010( why did they need to use PFI when we/they were enjoying what Blair proudly boasted to be the strongest economy?) . Our new local hospital was signed off by Blair's health secretary in 2002, the building funded by PFI. When the new hospital opened in 2010, annual PFI costs of £40m ensured that it was in deficit before the doors had opened so ! The PFI commitment runs for a further 30 years!!!

That's just one hospital, but imagine the pfi costs at all the new hospitals commissioned in the early 2000s?

Financing PFI and compensation payouts must account for a massive amount of the NHS budget, all of which would make a big difference to front line  patient care, which is what we need just now.

 

 

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1 hour ago, RumRed said:

Well can someone tell my employers please?  

You know, those people that pay me.  
 

That’s the difference between ‘advice’ and ‘an order’

Your employer doesn’t need to be “told” by anyone else. The advice is quite clear. 
I’d suggest you speak to your employer yourself and inform them, that due to government advice, you are going to work from home. 
If they refuse, then it’s your employer who is being a dick, rather than Boris, whom you were so keen to blame earlier. 

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45 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Here's a football related story!

The top 6 in the Championship, apparently are looking at legal action against the Football League, the Premier League or perhaps both, if promotion denied/season cancelled.

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/leeds-united-promotion-coronavirus-voided-17935890

@bcfc01 Yemen's a warzone or has been, god knows what he's playing at- unless reporting from there?

I am unsure what is going on in Yemen so certainly no expert, and imagine he is in a very safe place.

Off topic - I went to Tel Aviv and Palestine when it was kicking off after Trump recognised Jerusalem as Israels capital - had already booked up and stayed in Banksys hotel and was told it was ok to travel. 

What I seen on the news and what I seen with my own 2 eyes were completely different things. All these streets on fire etc, non stop street war with the Palestinians and Israeli soldiers was just complete bull. I do not know when the pictures were from that were being shown on the news over here but I was stood on that street (right next to the wall and Israeli sniper towers, and stayed in the hotel next to it).

Was there trouble - yes, was there some gun fire and a few molotov cocktails - yes. Was it anything like the news over here - absolutely not. Massive conflict over there that will probably never end, but it did make me question what I see on the news or read in the papers if it is actually true.

Ps - if you fancy a different time away, I fully recommend it. Best holiday I have ever been on and an experience I will never forget, along with the nicest people I have ever met (on both sides). Quite expensive though!

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15 minutes ago, Harry said:

Your employer doesn’t need to be “told” by anyone else. The advice is quite clear. 
I’d suggest you speak to your employer yourself and inform them, that due to government advice, you are going to work from home. 
If they refuse, then it’s your employer who is being a dick, rather than Boris, whom you were so keen to blame earlier. 

Unfortunately government advice will not pay people's bills

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