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1 hour ago, RedM said:

If you think about it the shops are most likely a virus heaven. I’m not trying to scare anyone as we all have to eat and drink but these are large areas, little or no fresh air, and the items and surfaces, even the trolleys and baskets touched by numerous people per hour. The aisles can’t be much more than 2m wide so you inevitably come into contact with people just walking around never mind queueing.  

All other mass gatherings have been banned, but hundreds can shop at once. This cannot be safe. 

What do you suggest?

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9 minutes ago, pillred said:

Looks like J mat voted Corbyn  judging by the emojis he is handing out to anyone that dares praise the governments handling of the situation, sad really as I think they have gone above and beyond what anyone could have expected.

One of the "I know more than anyone, and if you don't agree with me about everything, you are in the wrong and are some sort of disgusting individual". A very odd individual who is incapable of praise for anything/anyone not as far left as him.

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43 minutes ago, pillred said:

Looks like J mat voted Corbyn  judging by the emojis he is handing out to anyone that dares praise the governments handling of the situation, sad really as I think they have gone above and beyond what anyone could have expected.

Hardcore Corbinyte.  Sad some of these people will never come out of their political bubbles.  I’m pretty open politically and have voted at one time or another for all three main parties (and once for Monster Raving Looney).

This isn’t a dig, but I bet Corbyn, Mc Donald and co are fucking ecstatic that they didn’t get elected and have to deal with this.

The critics on here aren’t in the Cabinet office, hearing the scientific advice, the financial advice, the medical input, the moral dilemmas etc.  Who would want that job, no one one here I bet.  I have no doubt mistakes will be made, they would be no matter who was PM, that happens in unprecedented situations.

The comments on the health service being overwhelmed due to cuts is bollocks - in this instance, not normal times - unless a politician had a crystal ball 10 years ago and could have planned for this with recruitment, training, building, warehousing and manufacture, we could have had the most socialist government in the world, who didn’t  even have austerity in their vocabulary  and it would still be overwhelmed.

Its time to for the dyed in the wool lefties and Tories to forget those political differences and work together on getting us through this and coming out the other side in the best shape we can.  It’s going to take some efforts to get through and recover from it, but once the recovery is under way, that’s time for the political dogmas to be resurrected.

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4 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

Judging by the glowing praise on here following today's announcements, I would hazard a guess that no self employed skilled tradesmen are adding to the endorsements.

I sincerely hope everyone gets the help they need, I saw a comment on another site that all that self employed creative tax accounting and the IR35 big earners are paying the price, maybe we’ll see a more level playing field after this, as we all need each other to make the country work as it was.

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4 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Hardcore Corbinyte.  Sad some of these people will never come out of their political bubbles.  I’m pretty open politically and have voted at one time or another for all three main parties (and once for Monster Raving Looney).

This isn’t a dig, but I bet Corbyn, Mc Donald and co are ******* ecstatic that they didn’t get elected and have to deal with this.

The critics on here aren’t in the Cabinet office, hearing the scientific advice, the financial advice, the medical input, the moral dilemmas etc.  Who would want that job, no one one here I bet.  I have no doubt mistakes will be made, they would be no matter who was PM, that happens in unprecedented situations.

The comments on the health service being overwhelmed due to cuts is bollocks - in this instance, not normal times - unless a politician had a crystal ball 10 years ago and could have planned for this with recruitment, training, building, warehousing and manufacture, we could have had the most socialist government in the world, who didn’t be even have austerity in their vocabulary  and it would still be overwhelmed.

Its time to for the dyed in the wool lefties and Tories to forget those political differences and work together on getting us through this and coming out the other side in the best shape we can.  It’s going to take some efforts to get through and recover from it, but once the recovery is under way, that’s time for the political dogmas to be resurrected.

Exactly. As I said a fair few pages ago now - political arguments are pointless right now. 
 

This situation is much bigger than anything we’ve ever faced. Politics is out of the window. This needs a joint effort by everyone to get us through. 
 

Whoever was in charge would’ve done pretty much the same thing. No one in politics is responsible for anything. This is a virus. It’s unprecedented. No one has any clue how to deal it and mistakes will be made. Not on purpose, or for any political gain, but simply because we just don’t know what to do for the best. 
 

Quit the political shyte please everyone. 

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Mezze @ Downend did a great “delivery” tonight.

Feel for local businesses, but some are changing their business models to try to get through this.  Will try and support as many as possible over the coming 12 weeks.

Good to know i like that place.

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19 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

I sincerely hope everyone gets the help they need, I saw a comment on another site that all that self employed creative tax accounting and the IR35 big earners are paying the price, maybe we’ll see a more level playing field after this, as we all need each other to make the country work as it was.

My son is a chippy, so under CIS tax system. Three large jobs he would have been working on until mid summer have been pulled. In the unlikely event that he could find any work he has the problem of child care as the schools have closed.

I should add that under the CIS system the government actually owes him a fair amount, as he's over paid tax, which is usual under this system.

But it's too early to get the tax return in. So he, and millions like him are doubly shafted!

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I think it's a bit premature to give bojo a pass yet.

So far he's announced £300bn of loans to be made by banks with the government only underwriting them (so only on the hook for those not repaid), and about another £10bn of direct aid.  The £30bn of cash injected by VAT is only costing about £1-2bn because it's only a deferral.  There is a lot of smoke and mirrors here, it sounds like a lot but the annual UK budget is about a trillion and I'd estimate they're busting that by about 10-12% and they're spreading that out.  Significant yes but not historic.

What we should just the government on I think are two things:

1) How many lives are saved compared to other countries

2) How well the average family recovers from this compared to the millionaires. 

If we save more people and the recovery pain is felt evenly then I am happy to say well done.

 

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14 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Fair play to Boris this week. He’s done a fantastic job so far each day in his conference. Full credit to the man.

Really?

Off the top of my head, I can remember him trying to introduce unnecessary and unneeded end of the pier acts on at least two of the five occasions. Think on “how many is this” debacle for example.

These press conferences have been good not because of Boris but despite him. What people need is surety - not soundbites. That’s why Sunak was so good - clear policy, rationally explained. Likewise Whitty and Vallance. Boris has been bluster, vaugeness and vapid.

Bizarrely, the best thing to happen to this country in the last three months was Javid resigning. I can’t say how he would have done here, but it’s apparent that Boris and Dom wanted Sunak as he was easy to control - and in the GE campaign he seemed to be a lick spittle. He’s come in - and has grasped the nettle fantastically - and I say that as a Labour man. He’s clearly realised he is unsackable - losing a second chancellor in 3 months would make the PM untenable - and therefore driven the agenda. You can see it was his work today.

In short, things are happening despite BoJo (why wasn’t his first point to clarify Hancocks claim on QT that we had an immunity test which contradicted BoJo claim yesterday for example). He inspires no calm - he’s lucky with Whitty, Vallance and Sunak to give him that but it is really showing up his own shortcomings 

(NB - I think, realistically, there are now limited guns to fire. I’d probably suggest that daily conferences have limited impact from here and would rather hear a statement from Whitty at 5pm, to be followed by Boris at 7pm if deemed required)

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13 minutes ago, Robin Wood said:

We are just about to see how bad things are and it's not the time to blame the torys we are going to have to tough this out 

Not the time to blame the tories?  Why on earth not?  Their handling of this situation has been a shambles from the very beginning, reminiscent of Chamberlain’s government at the start of the Second World War, which was equally shambolic.  The fact that things are tough for all of is no reason to go soft on a misfiring leadership.  Johnson’s handling of the situation has been chaotic from the outset and he deserves no praise for his attempts to repair the damage he has already done.

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2 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Not the time to blame the tories?  Why on earth not?  Their handling of this situation has been a shambles from the very beginning, reminiscent of Chamberlain’s government at the start of the Second World War, which was equally shambolic.  The fact that things are tough for all of is no reason to go soft on a misfiring leadership.  Johnson’s handling of the situation has been chaotic from the outset and he deserves no praise for his attempts to repair the damage he has already done.

So who would have got everything 100% right- although there seems to be plenty of experts on here.  Doubt anyone would want to step up and do his job at the moment.

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28 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

Judging by the glowing praise on here following today's announcements, I would hazard a guess that no self employed skilled tradesmen are adding to the endorsements.

All the ones that come home with handfuls of cash each day because they don't put hardly anything through the books you mean? 

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39 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Fair play to Boris this week. He’s done a fantastic job so far each day in his conference. Full credit to the man.

I agree, he has. I've been impressed

11 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Not the time to blame the tories?  Why on earth not?  Their handling of this situation has been a shambles from the very beginning, reminiscent of Chamberlain’s government at the start of the Second World War, which was equally shambolic.  The fact that things are tough for all of is no reason to go soft on a misfiring leadership.  Johnson’s handling of the situation has been chaotic from the outset and he deserves no praise for his attempts to repair the damage he has already done.

No it hasn't

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1 minute ago, AshtonGreat said:

I agree, he has. I've been impressed

Very sad the people on here belittling him and laughing. The man has been carrying Britain on his back this week. More than likely on very little sleep, with a pregnant girlfriend at home.

No surprise the people who reacted to my post are the spineless, liberal soyboys.

It’s not about politics at this moment in time. It’s far beyond that.

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5 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Very sad the people on here belittling him and laughing. The man has been carrying Britain on his back this week. More than likely on very little sleep, with a pregnant girlfriend at home.

No surprise the people who reacted to my post are the spineless, liberal soyboys.

It’s not about politics at this moment in time. It’s far beyond that.

"It's not about politics at this moment"

*Calls people who disagree with your political opinions names*

 

Well done.

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5 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

London still ‘moving’ and much more than other major cities.  There are going to be so many deaths in the next two weeks. At least 3000 surely.  Will people change their attitude then?!

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Surely it takes a while for measures to feed through though? 

Thinking of London specifically. We only saw people really stop coming to work last week. We're a bit behind the curve. 

One particular concern I have is rich Londoners fleeing to second homes...given London is a, maybe the, hotspot here, this risks spreading it quite big.

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