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24 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

If the Government help fill the void in the interim it will pass without issues. If not...IMO of course.

Could you define total lockdown?

 

As in other countries Mr P. Some people are clearly not taking any notice of the current advice. Does a full lockdown work? I've no idea but wouldn't be surprised if we are not forced rather than asked to stay in quite soon. 

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4 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

As in other countries Mr P. Some people are clearly not taking any notice of the current advice. Does a full lockdown work? I've no idea but wouldn't be surprised if we are not forced rather than asked to stay in quite soon. 

Fair- I do believe in other countries people are allowed out to buy food though, having said that it could vary from place to place as well.

Are there any that have a total lockdown even barring that? I'd be surprised...

The only way you could work it and prevent society imploding is if we all had to stay in for an x week period and rent, mortgage all on hold as in war and army deliver food, rationing- otherwise too many loose ends, starvation etc.

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1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said:

405,000 signed up to act as NHS volunteers,makes you proud and shows this country isn’t just made up of selfish arseholses

It's heartening...trust you are doing your bit.

You intimated you were a key worker at past times in this thread- what pray tell, might that be?

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38 minutes ago, pillred said:

Well if that's the case some difficult questions are going to have to be asked because there is no way normal life can be put on hold that long, what the solution is I have no idea but one will have to be found that may include some kind of compromise such as once you have had it you get an exemption certificate from a doctor from all the restrictions currently in place or something like that.

I think there needs to be definite science supporting immunity before thousands of people are allowed to run wild.

I get the "we can't go on like this forever" argument, I really do. But weigh that against the alternative of trying to get on with normal life whilst a lethal virus is being passed around unchecked.

There is no perfect answer, but given the choice, and assuming support for ALL people, I'd vote for remaining in the bunker for as long as we can.

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9 hours ago, Super said:

Pretty sure people were calling this lockdown on monday night. If it is its the most pathetic lockdown i have seen.

I look forward to your solutions to the complexity of an economy shutting down for the time being and maybe the foreseeable!

:thumbsup:

Your armchair general posts lack credibility without solutions IMO. Unnecessary travel, let along socialising is of course a different debate.

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59 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

405,000 signed up to act as NHS volunteers,makes you proud and shows this country isn’t just made up of selfish arseholses

There are some fantastic people out there, many more than the arseholes but the media tend to focus on them. It’s great news and credit to all those fantastic people 

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4 minutes ago, RedorDead BCFC said:

With these kits that say you have had it, does that mean you can not still carry it and pass it onto other people still? 

As I understand it, and fwiw, if you have had it, you should be immune and free from the virus - thats the idea and thats what needs to be fully tested to make sure that is the case. Hence the delay in getting it out in the public domain.

Anyone can pass it on via touch of course - so a person with immunity could pick up the virus on their hands for instance and pass it on that way. Same for anyone, its a case of making sure of regular washing of hands and keeping distance.

I stand to be corrected of course.

 

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29 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I look forward to your solutions to the complexity of an economy shutting down for the time being and maybe the foreseeable!

:thumbsup:

Your armchair general posts lack credibility without solutions IMO. Unnecessary travel, let along socialising is of course a different debate.

This is about saving lives and not the economy.

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31 minutes ago, Super said:

This is about saving lives and not the economy.

Well aware of that but if people can't eat, can't afford to eat then society can break down very quickly- never mind the economy.

All very well to say 'Shut it down' but until a safety net is in place, it's more nuanced.

Then you have elderly/vulnerable at home...should carers avoid because they might spread it- if they have no family ties or what not, who fills the void if carers can no longer do it?

That's before we even get onto what @Roger Red Hat is saying? Far more to it than 'Lock us in'.

If it's all about saving lives and forget the economy, should we shut supermarkets, the financial markets and so on?

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55 minutes ago, pillred said:

Well if that's the case some difficult questions are going to have to be asked because there is no way normal life can be put on hold that long, what the solution is I have no idea but one will have to be found that may include some kind of compromise such as once you have had it you get an exemption certificate from a doctor from all the restrictions currently in place or something like that.

I think normal life will be on hold for a long time - although it’s possible rules might be relaxed from time to time.

There are only two ways this recedes: either we get a vaccine or herd immunity develops. The reason the original herd immunity strategy was abandoned is that it would have led to a massive overburdening of our critical care capacity. What’s happening now is an attempt to let the virus spread at a manageable rate - but that also slows the progress to herd immunity. Eradicating it in the UK, even if possible, wouldn’t resolve the problem unless we could absolutely isolate ourselves from the rest of the world until the virus was no longer a problem i.e. vaccine or global herd immunity,

One of the possibilities outlined in the Imperial College study is a series of periods of “tighter and looser” constraints - lockdown when there’s a risk of critical care beds being overburdened, relaxed temporarily when cases come down, then turned on again before capacity is threatened. I suspect that’s what we’ll see. Quite what “looser” would look like, I’ve no idea (shops but no pubs? Behind closed doors sport but none live?)

I can see problems with a position where those who have had the virus have advantages over those who haven’t: if some are working and earning (and able to circulate freely) whilst others aren’t, the latter would feel hard done by and, logically, would be given an incentive to expose themselves to the virus to get back to normal. And how would the authorities be able to ensure only those “permitted” are out and about? As I say, I don’t know the answers and am glad I'm not the one who has to make the decisions.

I strongly believe this initial lockdown will extend well beyond the next three weeks. I expect to see BJ in a couple of weeks congratulating us on our efforts, and telling us there are signs it’s working, so we just need to carry on for a while longer. 

The game changer would be if it turns out that a large number of people have had the virus. That would indicate that the proportion of sufferers who need hospital and critical care would be lower than currently projected, so that the disease could circulate more freely without jeopardising critical care capacity, and would allow us to get to herd immunity sooner. Fingers crossed.

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6 minutes ago, Super said:

This is about saving lives and not the economy.

Unfortunately it is also about having an economy when we get to the other side of this. An economy that will be in recession, with the double whammy of the Brexit idiocy that maybe dump us into a depression if Bozo carries on insisting on no extension to the talks and we leave with no deal.

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3 hours ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

Who would have thought Wetherspoon would take this sort of action? Were there any signs?

That said, in the interests of balance, if someone finds it to be a hoax, please put up a link.

 

Assume it is true as it has made it onto the main National news.

Not paying staff, not paying suppliers and hes also not paying Landlords rent either. 

What a despicable man.

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11 minutes ago, wood_red said:

Assume it is true as it has made it onto the main National news.

Not paying staff, not paying suppliers and hes also not paying Landlords rent either. 

What a despicable man.

"Tycoon in unacceptable behaviour shocker".

Granted he's taken it quite a bit far and granted capitalism is the best and least bad system but why should we be surprised.

Branson and Martin have not distinguished themselves during this. To be expected.

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38 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Unfortunately it is also about having an economy when we get to the other side of this. An economy that will be in recession, with the double whammy of the Brexit idiocy that maybe dump us into a depression if Bozo carries on insisting on no extension to the talks and we leave with no deal.

The economy will recover in time yes it might take a while. Saving lives takes priority or at least it should

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11 minutes ago, Super said:

The economy will recover in time yes it might take a while. Saving lives takes priority or at least it should

I trust the Government will therefore be stepping in to ensure those that lost work during this time or had to stop working to ensure they do not go hungry.

If they do not, expect society to fracture at some stage in your scenario,

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7 minutes ago, hodge said:

A 21 year old with no underlying health concerns has died after contracting the virus 

This is a game changer to be honest. I fear we could see more cases like this in the coming weeks/months. Maybe its the sort of shitting up my generation need as there are still plenty 18-30 yr olds not taking this virus seriously enough.

 

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6 hours ago, Frenchay Red said:

Apparently in good health.

So why has he been tested?

Yes I know, Royal privilege etc. Blah blah.

But a lot more front line folk at risk would love to be tested.

His age puts him at risk that's why he was tested and rightly so. 

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4 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

What exactly is your problem,I’m certainly not a key poster and not a key worker as of today 

But did you ask for a statue to be put up in your honour :laughcont:

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