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The Coronavirus and how it impacts on sport

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4 minutes ago, wood_red said:

Many in the Prem could donate a lot more than that, but do you honestly think they will? The greed of many in the game won't give a toss about smaller clubs/players etc etc. Players demanding half a million per week don't seem like the sharing types.

I'd like to say football will come together and will do a lot...but I sadly am sure you are right.

Not a good look at all on their part though- whether wage cuts or not, they could do more!

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38 minutes ago, Super said:

Not sure he is the type of person i'm most worried about at the moment.

You are the one that wanted football chst on this thread...jesus cant win with you can we ;)

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2 hours ago, RumRed said:

Well can someone tell my employers please?  

You know, those people that pay me.  
 

That’s the difference between ‘advice’ and ‘an order’

This.

my mum called me today, sent home from work for having a fever and cough. I’ve been with her this weekend and last, so work sent me home this afternoon (To work from home) after the call.

I then got an email saying one of the directors has suggested if I have no symptoms myself I should come back to work tomorrow!

My partners also got a temperature though no other symptoms of yet. All a little too close to home now - for someone who admittedly thought they’d have little chance of catching it

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7 minutes ago, phantom said:

Chancellor has just announced an initial £330 BILLION (15% GDP) will be available for any business to pay bills, wages, rent etc

If this isn't enough more will be available 

Money will be available from next week and currently 6 months interest free loan

Good news indeed,I wouldn’t  expect it to be a full wage though maybe 75%.?

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12 minutes ago, phantom said:

Chancellor has just announced an initial £330 BILLION (15% GDP) will be available for any business to pay bills, wages, rent etc

If this isn't enough more will be available 

Money will be available from next week and currently 6 months interest free loan

I would’ve felt much better about this had it been mentioned yesterday, when first advice given re “not going out”....but at least they’ve now reacted.

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17 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 Maybe an across-the-board 25% reduction in salaries while games are not being played. Could buy time for some smaller clubs, while not being so stringent that lower league players cannot put food on their families' tables.

There is an assumption that because footballers earned more over their short careers they are in a position of disposable cash they can spare.

If you have an (say on average) ten year career, you'd not find a lender who is going to give you a 25 year mortgage on your 3 million quid house. You'll be shelling out a fortune on repayments and critical illness cover so that if you career comes to a premature end you aren't homeless, likewise trying to get a suitable pension pot in place for the end of a short career is going to be a stretch.

Yes, there will be some players who can probably afford it, but a lot of players already give strongly to charities.

I don't think it's for players to do anything.

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5 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

This.

my mum called me today, sent home from work for having a fever and cough. I’ve been with her this weekend and last, so work sent me home this afternoon (To work from home) after the call.

I then got an email saying one of the directors has suggested if I have no symptoms myself I should come back to work tomorrow!

My partners also got a temperature though no other symptoms of yet. All a little too close to home now - for someone who admittedly thought they’d have little chance of catching it

Exactly, we’re at the mercy of our employers.  Much as people say just do it, that’s not how the world works.  Government should shut it down officially so people an companies can claim on insurance.  For the ‘party of business’ Boris is a ***.

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12 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

This.

my mum called me today, sent home from work for having a fever and cough. I’ve been with her this weekend and last, so work sent me home this afternoon (To work from home) after the call.

I then got an email saying one of the directors has suggested if I have no symptoms myself I should come back to work tomorrow!

My partners also got a temperature though no other symptoms of yet. All a little too close to home now - for someone who admittedly thought they’d have little chance of catching it

Your director is a dick.

Where has he been ? Under a rock ?

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15 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

This.

my mum called me today, sent home from work for having a fever and cough. I’ve been with her this weekend and last, so work sent me home this afternoon (To work from home) after the call.

I then got an email saying one of the directors has suggested if I have no symptoms myself I should come back to work tomorrow!

My partners also got a temperature though no other symptoms of yet. All a little too close to home now - for someone who admittedly thought they’d have little chance of catching it

Tell him you won't be going in as the government has said not to! And tell him he is a cock.

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10 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Exactly, we’re at the mercy of our employers.  Much as people say just do it, that’s not how the world works.  Government should shut it down officially so people an companies can claim on insurance.  For the ‘party of business’ Boris is a ***.

Been mentioned today that even closing businesses, most businesses Insurance doesn’t cover a closure. 

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5 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Just announced that those who have insurance can claim, too many gun jumpers on here....

It's not jumping the gun though is it. It's reacting to the information (or lack of) provided at the time.

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3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Genuine question, can the insurance companies afford this if there are widespread payouts?

Easily as a vast majority of policies will not cover it. This is just the wording to make those who do have the relevant policy, get paid out.

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38 minutes ago, phantom said:

Chancellor has just announced an initial £330 BILLION (15% GDP) will be available for any business to pay bills, wages, rent etc

If this isn't enough more will be available 

Money will be available from next week and currently 6 months interest free loan

What about the self employed?

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8 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Just announced that those who have insurance can claim, too many gun jumpers on here....

Not really, they said in the Conference that this was agreed with insurers today.

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Fair play on this stimulus- and I hope the self-employed, the zero hours/self-employed will get a boost too.

If only the Government had done this a couple of days ago though, I wonder how many who were let go as a result of this may still be in work. Say it had been announced Friday.

Fair play, they've stepped up but do wonder how many have slipped through the cracks between say last Friday and 5.30pm today.

The gig economy as well, just mentioned on the news- like self employed, they are more vulnerable than most.

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So more 'advice' but no action from the govt, still putting the onus on the public despite the fact they say follow what has been put out to help suppress the curve as much as possible, if its reached that level of importance shouldn't it now be a govt decision rather than advice? 

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1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said:

Not really, they said in the Conference that this was agreed with insurers today.

It’s an unprecedented situation, anyone expecting everything to be neatly organised and announced on day one is jumping the gun, things will change day by day, so there is no point in getting all excited or upset until something you want is definitively ruled out.

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33 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I would’ve felt much better about this had it been mentioned yesterday, when first advice given re “not going out”....but at least they’ve now reacted.

Indeed. Even if it was just something like "we recognise that those establishments affected will be concerned, but we are finalising details of how we will support them and will announce this in the coming days", that would have been a start.

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7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Fair play on this stimulus- and I hope the self-employed, the zero hours/self-employed will get a boost too.

If only the Government had done this a couple of days ago though, I wonder how many who were let go as a result of this may still be in work. Say it had been announced Friday.

Fair play, they've stepped up but do wonder how many have slipped through the cracks between say last Friday and 5.30pm today.

The gig economy as well, just mentioned on the news- like self employed, they are more vulnerable than most.

I would imagine its taken quite a few meetings and hours with many people over different sectors to get agreements.

Doesn't seem to me to be the sort of package that could be knocked up much quicker than it has done.

This is a fast moving and changing crisis and, as I see it, it is reasonable to assume we will always be reactive to most aspects of it.

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So, big question for businesses:

- do I carry on in a very difficult economy and have a loan to try to service afterwards in a difficult economy (vicious circle!!), making profit margins smaller 

- bail out now

This will be a huge decision, and terms of loan not yet known, but ‘attractive’ rates.  It’s a step in the right direction, £330bn sounds great....but it ain’t free money to keep the economy going.

Thats my knee jerk reaction. 

Happy to be educated.

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3 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

I would imagine its taken quite a few meetings and hours with many people over different sectors to get agreements.

Doesn't seem to me to be the sort of package that could be knocked up much quicker than it has done.

This is a fast moving and changing crisis and, as I see it, it is reasonable to assume we will always be reactive to most aspects of it.

Well there is that of course, and yes reactive but they could have announced as Dave said, about significant support packages on the way, in progress- bear with us, etc.

That would have enabled businesses not so shed 30% of staff and maybe more in a week, as I know of at least one that did that last week!

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2 hours ago, Harry said:

If you have the ability to work from home then you should do so. 
That’s the advice. That’ll keep the salary coming for those people. 
Of course there are HUGE challenges to come for many people who won’t be able to work and whose employers have to close. I know all about that, as my wife works in a restaurant who’ve had 500 cancellations yesterday and is likely to be let go. 
Yes, the government have a massive role to play in ensuring there is as little impact to people and businesses as possible. Big big challenge. 
 

But that’s a totally different argument to “I can work from home but I’ve decided not to because my employer isn’t following the advice”. 

It's not a digatyou but how many people on the menial, low paid, zero contract hours can work from home? 

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11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

So, big question for businesses:

- do I carry on in a very difficult economy and have a loan to try to service afterwards in a difficult economy (vicious circle!!), making profit margins smaller 

- bail out now

This will be a huge decision, and terms of loan not yet known, but ‘attractive’ rates.  It’s a step in the right direction, £330bn sounds great....but it ain’t free money to keep the economy going.

Thats my knee jerk reaction. 

Happy to be educated.

As a contractor, you are a business.

Have a look at the grant options - might be wrong, but a grant sounds quite different to a loan.

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16 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Another indicator that we are living in remarkale times.

Clearly full sympathies with those affected on job front.

Well they got rid of contractors with immediate effect.. unfortunately that is the life of a contractor.  Make hay while the sun is shining

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2 minutes ago, TRL said:

Well they got rid of contractors with immediate effect.. unfortunately that is the life of a contractor.  Make hay while the sun is shining

Contractors temp staff, much the same?

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Contractors temp staff, much the same?

Depends what temp staff are I guess. Like seasonal staff. Its shit but with those type of roles you a very vulnerable. Hell if you haven't been in a permy role for more than 2 years you really have no rights.. unless you there is a bullying case involved. It's the world we live now.

 

Bad times

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2 minutes ago, !james said:

Sensible move. Hopefully some can benefit from this 

Well that is good news for not only restaurants but gig economy employees for the likes of just eat uber eats etc.. 

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5 minutes ago, TRL said:

Depends what temp staff are I guess. Like seasonal staff. Its shit but with those type of roles you a very vulnerable. Hell if you haven't been in a permy role for more than 2 years you really have no rights.. unless you there is a bullying case involved. It's the world we live now.

 

Bad times

There's different types tbh, wouldn't you say?

Contractors. White collar, non white collar. Some of these can make hay and yes, but not all- world we live in as you say.

Self-employed. The traditional traders, labourers- builders, whatever. Again some of these, but by no means all can be 

'Self-employed'. The most vulnerable. These are self-employed, but not really- better known as zero hours, but self- employed or via agencies partially, tax reasons or whatever. Or I don't know, door knocking on commission only- loads of these types of jobs around, some better than others but these fall through the cracks and some especially so.

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5 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

As a contractor, you are a business.

Have a look at the grant options - might be wrong, but a grant sounds quite different to a loan.

Generally, as I understand it, you are obviously obliged to repay a loan.

Not so with a grant.

At least, I hope that is how it works.

3 minutes ago, !james said:

Sensible move. Hopefully some can benefit from this 

Some have been doing this for some time.

Seen the Trooper delivery van around East Bristol loads of times.

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3 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Not so with a grant.

At least, I hope that is how it works.

As I understand it the grants are available to businesses that are getting Small Business Rate Relief, as a contractor I don't have business premises other than my home office so don't think I'm eligible for any grants.

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24 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

So, big question for businesses:

- do I carry on in a very difficult economy and have a loan to try to service afterwards in a difficult economy (vicious circle!!), making profit margins smaller 

- bail out now

This will be a huge decision, and terms of loan not yet known, but ‘attractive’ rates.  It’s a step in the right direction, £330bn sounds great....but it ain’t free money to keep the economy going.

Thats my knee jerk reaction. 

Happy to be educated.

One Pretty big retailer is going BOGOF on everything in store tomorrow for probably a few weeks. Cash is king!

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24 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

So, big question for businesses:

- do I carry on in a very difficult economy and have a loan to try to service afterwards in a difficult economy (vicious circle!!), making profit margins smaller 

- bail out now

This will be a huge decision, and terms of loan not yet known, but ‘attractive’ rates.  It’s a step in the right direction, £330bn sounds great....but it ain’t free money to keep the economy going.

Thats my knee jerk reaction. 

Happy to be educated.

Hi Dave, I'd suggest following Richard Murphy's twitter or blog. He's currently tweeting about Sunak's useless announcements. Educational and informative.

https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy 

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29 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

So, big question for businesses:

- do I carry on in a very difficult economy and have a loan to try to service afterwards in a difficult economy (vicious circle!!), making profit margins smaller 

- bail out now

This will be a huge decision, and terms of loan not yet known, but ‘attractive’ rates.  It’s a step in the right direction, £330bn sounds great....but it ain’t free money to keep the economy going.

Thats my knee jerk reaction. 

Happy to be educated.

I think if your business is limited liability now is the time to borrow to the hilt and delay any payments to HMRC, worry about it if you get through this intact.  It's about survival not profits at this point. 

Investors I deal with are basically advising hunker down hard now and string it out for as long as you can.

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14 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

There's different types tbh, wouldn't you say?

Contractors. White collar, non white collar. Some of these can make hay and yes, but not all- world we live in as you say.

Self-employed. The traditional traders, labourers- builders, whatever. Again some of these, but by no means all can be 

'Self-employed'. The most vulnerable. These are self-employed, but not really- better known as zero hours, but self- employed or via agencies partially, tax reasons or whatever. Or I don't know, door knocking on commission only- loads of these types of jobs around, some better than others but these fall through the cracks and some especially so.

Oh without doubt. Many types and all can be under the heading contractors. Each one very much open to market conditions. Some people may not have any other choice but to work in this type of role, a lot do, be it for more money or working for yourself. Something to think about if the choice is in your remote.

 

That said if you are not under an umbrella company some of these contractors will be seen as a business in their own right so will hopefully be getting some help

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Just popped on here to see how things are going. Glad to see everyone taking things seriously. 

At the current rate it will take 71 days for the whole population of the world to contract that disease!

Strain in hospitals is expected to peak as soon as schools close. 

Look after your olds. Some of them aren’t going to make it. 

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23 minutes ago, TRL said:

Oh without doubt. Many types and all can be under the heading contractors. Each one very much open to market conditions. Some people may not have any other choice but to work in this type of role, a lot do, be it for more money or working for yourself. Something to think about if the choice is in your remote.

 

That said if you are not under an umbrella company some of these contractors will be seen as a business in their own right so will hopefully be getting some help

Good point by the BBC economics editor.

Point is, think Government need to do something- tailored- but do something for all groups in these troubled times. Great many do, and will need help.

Quote

An unprecedented package with glaring omissions

Dharshini David

Economics Correspondent

This is an unprecedented package for unprecedented times.

We shouldn't dismiss this and it is just a first step.

But there are glaring omissions - most notably the help for the self employed, the freelancers and people working in the gig economy. The big question is - what is going to be done for those people.

And what about benefits and sick pay? We hear about some businesses who are saying to workers that if they isolate they have to do it on unpaid leave.

It will also take time for these measures to be put into action.

 

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51 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

As a contractor, you are a business.

Have a look at the grant options - might be wrong, but a grant sounds quite different to a loan.

Wasn’t thinking about me per se!!! 😜

47 minutes ago, !james said:

Sensible move. Hopefully some can benefit from this 

Indeed.

Heres Darragh from Peterborough. Lots of good concepts.

 

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2 hours ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

that's that - work from home from tomorrow until further notice (this applies to everyone in here, hope the server can cope!)

Wonder if you work where I do, similar story! Connect - upload - disconnect 

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53 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

One Pretty big retailer is going BOGOF on everything in store tomorrow for probably a few weeks. Cash is king!

I'll guess B&Q - all of their staff are over 70.

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9 hours ago, downendcity said:

Had BJ announced  a total lockdown - schools shut, travel stopped etc - 2 weeks ago, to avoid greater infection, I strongly suspect that any of those now criticising his actions would have been equally vocal in criticising him for overreacting and jeopardising business, when the majority of other countries had not taken such steps.

What like suspending football last Thursday only 5 days ago 
 

The way I see it (lucky enough to have a wife who is a director of an insurance company to tell me, very little businesses have BI insurance and if they do COVID-19 certainly is not named on notify-able deceases) is the government are  asking us the general public to take control and stay away,  rather than imposing a ban. But we all know that will be coming within days rather than weeks. 
 

My wife sent me this link regarding insurance cover against this pandemic.

 

https://www.abi.org.uk/news/news-articles/2020/03/statement-on-business-insurance-and-coronavirus/

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48 minutes ago, RUSSEL85 said:

Wonder if you work where I do, similar story! Connect - upload - disconnect 

in travel insurance as it happens (as you can imagine, this is causing that industry a lot of stress!)

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