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The Coronavirus and how it impacts on sport

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Judging by the glowing praise on here following today's announcements, I would hazard a guess that no self employed skilled tradesmen are adding to the endorsements.

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43 minutes ago, pillred said:

Looks like J mat voted Corbyn  judging by the emojis he is handing out to anyone that dares praise the governments handling of the situation, sad really as I think they have gone above and beyond what anyone could have expected.

Hardcore Corbinyte.  Sad some of these people will never come out of their political bubbles.  I’m pretty open politically and have voted at one time or another for all three main parties (and once for Monster Raving Looney).

This isn’t a dig, but I bet Corbyn, Mc Donald and co are fucking ecstatic that they didn’t get elected and have to deal with this.

The critics on here aren’t in the Cabinet office, hearing the scientific advice, the financial advice, the medical input, the moral dilemmas etc.  Who would want that job, no one one here I bet.  I have no doubt mistakes will be made, they would be no matter who was PM, that happens in unprecedented situations.

The comments on the health service being overwhelmed due to cuts is bollocks - in this instance, not normal times - unless a politician had a crystal ball 10 years ago and could have planned for this with recruitment, training, building, warehousing and manufacture, we could have had the most socialist government in the world, who didn’t  even have austerity in their vocabulary  and it would still be overwhelmed.

Its time to for the dyed in the wool lefties and Tories to forget those political differences and work together on getting us through this and coming out the other side in the best shape we can.  It’s going to take some efforts to get through and recover from it, but once the recovery is under way, that’s time for the political dogmas to be resurrected.

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4 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

Judging by the glowing praise on here following today's announcements, I would hazard a guess that no self employed skilled tradesmen are adding to the endorsements.

I sincerely hope everyone gets the help they need, I saw a comment on another site that all that self employed creative tax accounting and the IR35 big earners are paying the price, maybe we’ll see a more level playing field after this, as we all need each other to make the country work as it was.

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4 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Hardcore Corbinyte.  Sad some of these people will never come out of their political bubbles.  I’m pretty open politically and have voted at one time or another for all three main parties (and once for Monster Raving Looney).

This isn’t a dig, but I bet Corbyn, Mc Donald and co are ******* ecstatic that they didn’t get elected and have to deal with this.

The critics on here aren’t in the Cabinet office, hearing the scientific advice, the financial advice, the medical input, the moral dilemmas etc.  Who would want that job, no one one here I bet.  I have no doubt mistakes will be made, they would be no matter who was PM, that happens in unprecedented situations.

The comments on the health service being overwhelmed due to cuts is bollocks - in this instance, not normal times - unless a politician had a crystal ball 10 years ago and could have planned for this with recruitment, training, building, warehousing and manufacture, we could have had the most socialist government in the world, who didn’t be even have austerity in their vocabulary  and it would still be overwhelmed.

Its time to for the dyed in the wool lefties and Tories to forget those political differences and work together on getting us through this and coming out the other side in the best shape we can.  It’s going to take some efforts to get through and recover from it, but once the recovery is under way, that’s time for the political dogmas to be resurrected.

Exactly. As I said a fair few pages ago now - political arguments are pointless right now. 
 

This situation is much bigger than anything we’ve ever faced. Politics is out of the window. This needs a joint effort by everyone to get us through. 
 

Whoever was in charge would’ve done pretty much the same thing. No one in politics is responsible for anything. This is a virus. It’s unprecedented. No one has any clue how to deal it and mistakes will be made. Not on purpose, or for any political gain, but simply because we just don’t know what to do for the best. 
 

Quit the political shyte please everyone. 

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Mezze @ Downend did a great “delivery” tonight.

Feel for local businesses, but some are changing their business models to try to get through this.  Will try and support as many as possible over the coming 12 weeks.

Good to know i like that place.

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19 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

I sincerely hope everyone gets the help they need, I saw a comment on another site that all that self employed creative tax accounting and the IR35 big earners are paying the price, maybe we’ll see a more level playing field after this, as we all need each other to make the country work as it was.

My son is a chippy, so under CIS tax system. Three large jobs he would have been working on until mid summer have been pulled. In the unlikely event that he could find any work he has the problem of child care as the schools have closed.

I should add that under the CIS system the government actually owes him a fair amount, as he's over paid tax, which is usual under this system.

But it's too early to get the tax return in. So he, and millions like him are doubly shafted!

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I think it's a bit premature to give bojo a pass yet.

So far he's announced £300bn of loans to be made by banks with the government only underwriting them (so only on the hook for those not repaid), and about another £10bn of direct aid.  The £30bn of cash injected by VAT is only costing about £1-2bn because it's only a deferral.  There is a lot of smoke and mirrors here, it sounds like a lot but the annual UK budget is about a trillion and I'd estimate they're busting that by about 10-12% and they're spreading that out.  Significant yes but not historic.

What we should just the government on I think are two things:

1) How many lives are saved compared to other countries

2) How well the average family recovers from this compared to the millionaires. 

If we save more people and the recovery pain is felt evenly then I am happy to say well done.

 

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14 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Fair play to Boris this week. He’s done a fantastic job so far each day in his conference. Full credit to the man.

Really?

Off the top of my head, I can remember him trying to introduce unnecessary and unneeded end of the pier acts on at least two of the five occasions. Think on “how many is this” debacle for example.

These press conferences have been good not because of Boris but despite him. What people need is surety - not soundbites. That’s why Sunak was so good - clear policy, rationally explained. Likewise Whitty and Vallance. Boris has been bluster, vaugeness and vapid.

Bizarrely, the best thing to happen to this country in the last three months was Javid resigning. I can’t say how he would have done here, but it’s apparent that Boris and Dom wanted Sunak as he was easy to control - and in the GE campaign he seemed to be a lick spittle. He’s come in - and has grasped the nettle fantastically - and I say that as a Labour man. He’s clearly realised he is unsackable - losing a second chancellor in 3 months would make the PM untenable - and therefore driven the agenda. You can see it was his work today.

In short, things are happening despite BoJo (why wasn’t his first point to clarify Hancocks claim on QT that we had an immunity test which contradicted BoJo claim yesterday for example). He inspires no calm - he’s lucky with Whitty, Vallance and Sunak to give him that but it is really showing up his own shortcomings 

(NB - I think, realistically, there are now limited guns to fire. I’d probably suggest that daily conferences have limited impact from here and would rather hear a statement from Whitty at 5pm, to be followed by Boris at 7pm if deemed required)

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13 minutes ago, Robin Wood said:

We are just about to see how bad things are and it's not the time to blame the torys we are going to have to tough this out 

Not the time to blame the tories?  Why on earth not?  Their handling of this situation has been a shambles from the very beginning, reminiscent of Chamberlain’s government at the start of the Second World War, which was equally shambolic.  The fact that things are tough for all of is no reason to go soft on a misfiring leadership.  Johnson’s handling of the situation has been chaotic from the outset and he deserves no praise for his attempts to repair the damage he has already done.

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2 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Not the time to blame the tories?  Why on earth not?  Their handling of this situation has been a shambles from the very beginning, reminiscent of Chamberlain’s government at the start of the Second World War, which was equally shambolic.  The fact that things are tough for all of is no reason to go soft on a misfiring leadership.  Johnson’s handling of the situation has been chaotic from the outset and he deserves no praise for his attempts to repair the damage he has already done.

So who would have got everything 100% right- although there seems to be plenty of experts on here.  Doubt anyone would want to step up and do his job at the moment.

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28 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said:

Judging by the glowing praise on here following today's announcements, I would hazard a guess that no self employed skilled tradesmen are adding to the endorsements.

All the ones that come home with handfuls of cash each day because they don't put hardly anything through the books you mean? 

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39 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Fair play to Boris this week. He’s done a fantastic job so far each day in his conference. Full credit to the man.

I agree, he has. I've been impressed

11 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Not the time to blame the tories?  Why on earth not?  Their handling of this situation has been a shambles from the very beginning, reminiscent of Chamberlain’s government at the start of the Second World War, which was equally shambolic.  The fact that things are tough for all of is no reason to go soft on a misfiring leadership.  Johnson’s handling of the situation has been chaotic from the outset and he deserves no praise for his attempts to repair the damage he has already done.

No it hasn't

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1 minute ago, AshtonGreat said:

I agree, he has. I've been impressed

Very sad the people on here belittling him and laughing. The man has been carrying Britain on his back this week. More than likely on very little sleep, with a pregnant girlfriend at home.

No surprise the people who reacted to my post are the spineless, liberal soyboys.

It’s not about politics at this moment in time. It’s far beyond that.

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5 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Very sad the people on here belittling him and laughing. The man has been carrying Britain on his back this week. More than likely on very little sleep, with a pregnant girlfriend at home.

No surprise the people who reacted to my post are the spineless, liberal soyboys.

It’s not about politics at this moment in time. It’s far beyond that.

"It's not about politics at this moment"

*Calls people who disagree with your political opinions names*

 

Well done.

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4 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

"It's not about politics at this moment"

*Calls people who disagree with your political opinions names*

 

Well done.

At what point did I disagree? I’m highlight a childish comment. Not political is it?

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1 minute ago, Redpool said:

At what point did I disagree? I’m highlight a childish comment. Not political is it?

A childish comment like "spineless liberal soyboys"?

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15 minutes ago, Super said:

Whats a soyboy?

A meaningless insult used by sex-starved teenage boys and sexually insecure grown men on the internet. It means nothing at all other than that the person using it is a  bit desperate and lonely and wants to fit in with the gang.

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London still ‘moving’ and much more than other major cities.  There are going to be so many deaths in the next two weeks. At least 3000 surely.  Will people change their attitude then?!

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5 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

London still ‘moving’ and much more than other major cities.  There are going to be so many deaths in the next two weeks. At least 3000 surely.  Will people change their attitude then?!

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Surely it takes a while for measures to feed through though? 

Thinking of London specifically. We only saw people really stop coming to work last week. We're a bit behind the curve. 

One particular concern I have is rich Londoners fleeing to second homes...given London is a, maybe the, hotspot here, this risks spreading it quite big.

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The party political stuff is crazy, would anyone do any better ?  No they wouldn’t,utterly in charterted territory here, NOBODY worldwide has the answer.

All we can do is isolate and stay as safe as we can.

This whole thing is madness, BUT it’s real. 

Stay safe fellow Reds.

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Anyone trying to score political points here is an idiot.

In the modern world, we've NEVER faced anything like this, never. In the 2nd world war the opposition were visible, this time it isn't.

We're in survival mode aren't we? Stop the bickering FFS, we're gonna need each other.

 

BTW, from the first line of 'Ghost town' by the Specials, to the end of ' Bands don't play no more' is exactly 20 seconds for hand washing purposes.

Stay safe everyone! :thumbsup:

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1 hour ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Not the time to blame the tories?  Why on earth not?  Their handling of this situation has been a shambles from the very beginning, reminiscent of Chamberlain’s government at the start of the Second World War, which was equally shambolic.  The fact that things are tough for all of is no reason to go soft on a misfiring leadership.  Johnson’s handling of the situation has been chaotic from the outset and he deserves no praise for his attempts to repair the damage he has already done.

Pray enlighten us on how you would have handled it? you must have an alternative plan would love to hear it.

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5 hours ago, Frenchay Red said:

Judging by the glowing praise on here following today's announcements, I would hazard a guess that no self employed skilled tradesmen are adding to the endorsements.

I am.

4 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

All the ones that come home with handfuls of cash each day because they don't put hardly anything through the books you mean? 

I pay UK tax. And I don't even live half the time in the UK. 

I am happy to pay my fair share... It's quite amazing some of the remarks on here. Not surprising I suppose but when you experience the levels of corruption in other parts of the world not least where I am you thank the lord you are fortunate to be born a Brit.

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5 hours ago, Redpool said:

I stated a fact 

You know for a fact that those people disagreeing with you are spineless and "soyboys" (whatever that means)?

Or you don't like that they disagree and feel the need to try and belittle them for daring to do so...

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7 hours ago, Redpool said:

Fair play to Boris this week. He’s done a fantastic job so far each day in his conference. Full credit to the man.

What an alternative reality you must live in.

Is it nice there?

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6 hours ago, Redpool said:

@Kid in the Riot you’re one of them. Hang your head in shame soyboy.

Had to look up soyboy as I’m not 12, petty name calling is shocking.

 

ps you’re a stupid *** 

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7 hours ago, Frenchay Red said:

Judging by the glowing praise on here following today's announcements, I would hazard a guess that no self employed skilled tradesmen are adding to the endorsements.

I apologise. I had not realised there was still nothing being offered to self employed people. That is appalling and needs sorting out.

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5 hours ago, ScottishRed said:

The party political stuff is crazy, would anyone do any better ?  No they wouldn’t,utterly in charterted territory here, NOBODY worldwide has the answer.

All we can do is isolate and stay as safe as we can.

This whole thing is madness, BUT it’s real. 

Stay safe fellow Reds.

The honest answer is that we will find out over the coming weeks and months whether anyone would do better. Other countries such as Germany and the Czech Republic put in social isolation and distancing measures before we did and ordered shutdowns of businesses and schools and for people to stay at a home at a time our government was arguing it was not necessary. Indeed our government and their advisors tacitly admitted on Monday they had been working to the wrong science and making the wrong assumptions about the virus. Even now, our measures are somewhat softer than France or Spain.

 

I absolutely agree that we are in uncharted territory and I certainly do not envy the choices the government has had to make but there was a two week period where we were largely ignoring World Health Organisation advice and instead working from our own models, which we have now ditched, and even now we are not testing people - including frontline staff - even though the WHO believe this is essential in getting the virus under control.

 

Of course nobody has known quite what to do but there is a real possibility we will find out over the coming weeks that not isolating sooner and not tracking cases will mean our fatality rate is higher than other comparable countries. If that does happen then of course the government’s decision making has to be questioned.

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8 hours ago, pillred said:

What do you suggest?

I have no idea, in all honesty with the amount of people on here I am interested in other peoples opinions and view points. I guess many still expect to walk into the shops and be served with no idea or understanding how the items get there and no thought to these places and staff. As mentioned it's very, very selfish out there.

Limiting the amount of people in shops at a given time would be a start, one in one out queuing system. 

LImiting payments to contactless only, or have only one cash till. 

Hand gel and wipes provided on entry and exit.

Maybe shops closing for an hour in the middle of the day to allow cleaning and restocking

Staff provided with gloves/handgel/masks

 

Just a few suggestions. Yours?

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22 minutes ago, RedM said:

I have no idea, in all honesty with the amount of people on here I am interested in other peoples opinions and view points. I guess many still expect to walk into the shops and be served with no idea or understanding how the items get there and no thought to these places and staff. As mentioned it's very, very selfish out there.

Limiting the amount of people in shops at a given time would be a start, one in one out queuing system. 

LImiting payments to contactless only, or have only one cash till. 

Hand gel and wipes provided on entry and exit.

Maybe shops closing for an hour in the middle of the day to allow cleaning and restocking

Staff provided with gloves/handgel/masks

 

Just a few suggestions. Yours?

I'd throw in encouraging people to switch to online shopping where possible.

With the caveat that from my own experience of trying to get delivery slots with Tesco, the system is already stressed to the hilt, and any extension of service would require significant additional numbers of suitable trucks and qualified drivers.

This might free up space in physical stores to those who are unable to access online and assist with creating the necessary social distancing, etc.

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13 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

I'd throw in encouraging people to switch to online shopping where possible.

With the caveat that from my own experience of trying to get delivery slots with Tesco, the system is already stressed to the hilt, and any extension of service would require significant additional numbers of suitable trucks and qualified drivers.

This might free up space in physical stores to those who are unable to access online and assist with creating the necessary social distancing, etc.

Yes, of course. I just assumed that was a given. More online slots should be made available and processed quickly. I think people are finding though that there are no slots, or a long wait for one and having to physically shop anyway, and many online orders are missing the vital things people need

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7 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

London still ‘moving’ and much more than other major cities.  There are going to be so many deaths in the next two weeks. At least 3000 surely.  Will people change their attitude then?!

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Never seen this before, what's it measuring? 

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9 hours ago, Redpool said:

Fair play to Boris this week. He’s done a fantastic job so far each day in his conference. Full credit to the man.

Just wish he'd raise tax that directly targets those who can afford it. It's now we need their wealth. 

I'm willing to pay more.

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Another warning for anyone who thinks this is only affecting elderly and vulnerable people and that, if that does not apply to you, you'll be fine.

This woman is in her 30s, a regular gym goer and has no underlying health conditions:

 

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8 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Another warning for anyone who thinks this is only affecting elderly and vulnerable people and that, if that does not apply to you, you'll be fine.

This woman is in her 30s, a regular gym goer and has no underlying health conditions:

 

Would be good knowing the percentage of fit and healthy 20/30 year olds that have been affected as badly as this woman has..

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9 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said:

So who would have got everything 100% right- although there seems to be plenty of experts on here.  Doubt anyone would want to step up and do his job at the moment.

Nobody would have got everything 100%, that’s true.

But Johnson has not done a great job so far. 

Experts have been saying for a long time that schools/pubs should be closed. He reacted way too late.

It’s great that he’s guaranteeing workers wages up to 80%. But it’s also damn clear that the self employed are going to need help. That’s a clear own goal, especially from a political party that usually champions small businesses.

Criticising (or indeed praising) the government doesn’t have to be party political or a left/right issue. They currently seem to be on the right path, but there is a lot more they need to do.

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16 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Another warning for anyone who thinks this is only affecting elderly and vulnerable people and that, if that does not apply to you, you'll be fine.

This woman is in her 30s, a regular gym goer and has no underlying health conditions:

 

There seems to have been a greater focus on deaths and from this it seems clear that by far the greater number dying are over 80 and suffering from one or more serious underlying health issues - I think Ive read that 99% of deaths are from this group.

Does this lead some younger people to mistakenly believe that 99% of people catching the virus are also from the same age group and that they are therefore unlikely to catch it?  My take is that younger people are just as likely to catch the virus, but much more likely to recover than would be a much older person.

 

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3 minutes ago, bris red said:

Would be good knowing the percentage of fit and healthy 20/30 year olds that have been affected as badly as this woman has..

It would. I discussed this earlier up the thread but stats suggest the fatality rate for people with no underlying conditions is 0.9 out of every 100 cases (which is about 9 times more deaths than flu causes for all patients). This will include some people over 70, although a large number of people over 70 do have an underlying condition. I'd guess it could therefore be only 0.5 (so five times more deaths than flu causes for all patients) but that still would mean 1 out of every 200 cases for fit and healthy people ended in death. 

I can only find statistics for comparison in America but flu - which is thought to be less transmissable than Coronavirus - affects between 9.3 million and 45 million people in the US each year according to the CDC. If we assumed two thirds of those people were fit healthy and the 1 in 200 death rate was accurate, that would mean the same level of infection from coronavirus would cause 31, 000 to 150, 000 deaths in America amongst fit and healthy patients.

Clearly this does not include hospitalisations. Stats are hard to find but 40% of US hospital admissions for coronavirus have been between 20 and 55. There is no data on whether they had underlying health conditions. Anecdotally, these seem to be plenty of doctors in Italy saying that there are a number of serious cases involving young people with no underlying health conditions but there is no data available on what that number is. Something like 20% of coronavirus cases in total require hospitalisation but again we don't know how many of these were under 70 and had no underlying conditions.

There was one study reported this week which did put the fatality rate for people with no underlying conditions in Italy much lower - 0.05% - but this is not so far consistent with data across the rest of the world and is yet to be peer-reviewed so we do not know how sound the methodology is. It is also very unclear whether that includes people who did not know they had an underlying health condition before contracting the virus. The reality is that at least three of the underlying conditions that present a risk - heart conditions, high blood pressure and diabetes - are conditions where people with them can go a considerable amount of time before knowing there is a problem and seeking diagnosis.

I definitely agree a lot more information is needed but I think it is a massive risk for anyone to assume the virus will not affected them badly because they are young and not in a vulnerable group because, whilst the majority of young and non-vulnerable people are having minimal symptoms, there is enough evidence to suggest a large minority are experiencing more serious effects.

Incidentally there is another warning from a less serious case here, who still got hit a lot harder than he expected:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/20/dont-take-it-lightly-charlie-austin-says-he-has-acute-coronavirus-symptoms

On a final note, I had a Skype chat with a friend of mine who is self-isolating a couple of days ago. He would be considered a minor case but he was coughing so much that he was in agony, repeating things he'd told me two minutes earlier and, even as a minor case, not in a good shape. 

 

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2 minutes ago, downendcity said:

There seems to have been a greater focus on deaths and from this it seems clear that by far the greater number dying are over 80 and suffering from one or more serious underlying health issues - I think Ive read that 99% of deaths are from this group.

Does this lead some younger people to mistakenly believe that 99% of people catching the virus are also from the same age group and that they are therefore unlikely to catch it?  My take is that younger people are just as likely to catch the virus, but much more likely to recover than would be a much older person.

 

See my post above - the 99% figure is drawn from one study in Italy and is yet to be checked in terms of its methodology. It puts the risk to younger people and without health conditions as much lower than some other studies - it gives a fatality rate of 0.05 deaths per 100 people who are young and healthy where as the fatality rate is estimated to be between 0.5 and 0.9 deaths per 100 people in other studies - but, in any case, I definitely agree that people are ignoring the fact that the are unlikely to die does not mean that:

a) they won't contract the disease

b) there is not a real risk of hospitalistion

c) there is not a real risk of scarring on the lungs or other permanent damage

d) things will get a lot more serious if you need hospitalisation and so many people are hospitalised there are not adequate beds.

You are definitely right that the evidence seems to be that younger people, including children, do catch and transmit the virus but have a lower mortality rate and hospitalisation rate than older people, people with underlying health conditions or young babies. They are more likely to recover but how likely to recover with minimal symptoms, is still up for debate. As I mention in my post above, 40% of US hospital admissions are younger patients for example.

It's quite right that people over 70 or with underlying health conditions have been warned they are more at risk and to take additional precautions to avoid the risk of catching the infection BUT I think this has led to a mistaken belief it does not matter if younger people get it.

The reality is that, up until the end of last week the government was pursuing a herd immunity strategy where older and more vulnerable people were effectively cut off from society to prevent infection and the virus was left free to circulate amongst everyone else so that enough people would gain immunity, and there was a willingness to allow 60% of the UK population to get it.

The reason why that strategy was abandoned seems to have been that data which emerged on Monday showed that, even if you took older and more vulnerable people out of the equation, the number of young or healthy people hospitalised or dying would overwhelm the NHS and still be a disaster. I think it is a major worry that a lot of younger people without underlying health conditions don't appreciate how serious this might get. 

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11 hours ago, downendcity said:

Good news!

Can't remember the last time I had a phone call about "a recent car accident". 

Just had one yesterday as well. told him I was self isolating...............phone went dead !!

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4 minutes ago, oldstandrobin said:

Just had one yesterday as well. told him I was self isolating...............phone went dead !!

Last time I had one of those calls I went quiet for a moment and then softly said "it wasn't an accident". They got a bit confused and scared and rang off. 

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2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Last time I had one of those calls I went quiet for a moment and then softly said "it wasn't an accident". They got a bit confused and scared and rang off. 

I had one a few months ago. I let them get to "when did the accident take place?" and replied with "next Tuesday, I know that's when she goes to collect her pension."

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