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The Coronavirus and how it impacts on sport

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19 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

It doesn’t matter if business is essential or not. Can order pretty much anything on line and it will be delivered

Provided its not food from a supermarket. Whether vulnerable or not can't get a delivery for love nor money. 

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14 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

Provided its not food from a supermarket. Whether vulnerable or not can't get a delivery for love nor money. 

We have a regular Sunday slot for delivery with the same stuff being delivered with a few extras every other Sunday.

My Mrs. just logged in to try to change some of the stuff and now in a queue for 4 hours.

If you're not a regular user I can imagine it being almost impossible to get a home delivery for food and basics.

However, if we donate a fiver with the order the company (Ocado) will match it and distribute packaged food to the vulnerable - I don't know how so its a leap of faith but worth doing.

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3 hours ago, winterbournered said:

Bit of advice please fellow reds, 

I really don’t want to be in work and I would classify mine as non-essential.

Unfortunately my employer doesn’t see it the same and is asking us to continue working, we are all PAYE so he/wewould be entitled to the 80% wage help if we were sent home or at least I think he is. 

My question is, do I need him to send us home before we are entitled to it? 
The way I see it is unless we’re sent home we can’t claim it. 
 

Hope you’re all well, stay safe! 

I don't think the 'essential / non essential' phrase was actually used in relation to the workplace Winterbourne. Didn't Boris say travel to work was currently allowed unless you can work from home? All very ambiguous but I'm pretty sure we'll be in total lockdown very soon anyway.

My employer has just issued us all with a 'key worker' document, countersigned by some NHS bigwig so we can keep working. If the NHS are issuing these now, I would imagine they know something we don't and full lockdown is close. 

As for the 80% thing, I would guess it's down to the employer to pay employees 80% and then apply for recompense from the government but that's purely a guess. 

Stay safe everyone. 

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So seemingly we as construction workers and our families are immune to Covid-19 then? An absolute disgrace that construction sites are still open. ******* shut them and give us our 80% wage like every other person! Ive payed enough into the system to deserve that!!!

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11 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

We have a regular Sunday slot for delivery with the same stuff being delivered with a few extras every other Sunday.

My Mrs. just logged in to try to change some of the stuff and now in a queue for 4 hours.

If you're not a regular user I can imagine it being almost impossible to get a home delivery for food and basics.

However, if we donate a fiver with the order the company (Ocado) will match it and distribute packaged food to the vulnerable - I don't know how so its a leap of faith but worth doing.

I am a regular online shopper with Morrisons (who are supplied bo Ocado) and Sainsburys. However neither has logged me as a vulnerable customer and its proved impossible to contact them by email or phone to argue the point. 

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2 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Same as freelance graphic designers. Most companies won’t hire you unless you are a limited company or are registered with an umbrella company, who sort out your NI and tax. I’m registered self employed with HMRC so can do self assessment but am employed by Parasol, the umbrella company, even though I don’t have any work at the moment. 

Don't you have any rainy day money working for that lot? 

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14 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I am a regular online shopper with Morrisons (who are supplied bo Ocado) and Sainsburys. However neither has logged me as a vulnerable customer and its proved impossible to contact them by email or phone to argue the point. 

I have the same issue with Sainsbury's and Waitrose.  I am in the extremely vulnerable group who are required to stay at home.  I wrote to Liam Fox my MP to ask what I was supposed to do about it.  He recommended that I go out shopping.

What a tosser.

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9 minutes ago, ITK..... said:

Prince Charles now tested positive for COVID 19. 

Stay away from the queen !! 

More importantly, how's Linda Lusardi? ;)

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13 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I am a regular online shopper with Morrisons (who are supplied bo Ocado) and Sainsburys. However neither has logged me as a vulnerable customer and its proved impossible to contact them by email or phone to argue the point. 

Ocado are totally overwhelmed by demand but you'd think they would have a separate line or link for vulnerable customers.

My Mrs. has 28,000 in front of her in the queue at the moment - 4 hour wait.

Just hope the internet connection stays up or she'll lose her place, its been going down a couple of times a day and she's been trying for a couple of days to change the order.

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If anyone who lives near BS7, can’t get out and cannot do home deliveries, but needs some essentials, please DM me. Doing my next shop in 2-3 days and happy to buy a few things and leave them on your doorstep. 

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Not sure if it’s been mentioned but how do the rules effect workers such as electricians or plumbers who maybe called out for emergencies?

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1 minute ago, Drew Peacock said:

I have the same issue with Sainsbury's and Waitrose.  I am in the extremely vulnerable group who are required to stay at home.  I wrote to Liam Fox my MP to ask what I was supposed to do about it.  He recommended that I go out shopping.

What a tosser.

My Mrs works as a carer in a home for brain injured adults. They have a delivery from Asda 3 times a week. Due to limiting of certain items, Asda have told the home they need to bring the residents to the store to justify the large orders. when told that cannot happen as they are mostly in wheelchairs or unable to be moved, Asdas answer was 'tough'. Bloody appalling. I believe the store Manager was ripped a new one.

The other issue is that people who normally shop themselves are pre booking delivery slots meaning those that NEED to use those slots cannot get them. 

3 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

More a Maria Whittaker fan (saw her once at Alton Towers, tiny thing, well, not all over)

Has she got CV19 as well? 😲

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2 hours ago, Delta said:

Making out that people are going around pocketing thousands of pounds cash in hand.  It just doesn't happen.  Who would pay in this way?

You might get a plumber who calls out and changes a washer on a tap or an electrician who comes out to repair a light - These things, people may well just pay cash for.  It might save them £20.  However, if you have an extension built, you're hardly likely to have £40K sitting around the house, nor would you want to pay cash.  You would want evidence of transactions so that if there is any dispute, you can show what you've paid.

I think you are being naive if you think people pocket thousands of pounds in this way - Most would be traceable anyway.

In any case, I don't think self employed are asking for their entire income to be paid, just some kind of support.  I watch the news and I see people going to building sites, not because they want to but because they have no choice.  How can it be fair or reasonable for one builder to get 80% of his wages paid but his workmate (who does exactly the same job) get nothing just because they are employed differently?  To be, it just demonstrates the abuse of workers that goes on and everyone is happy for it to do so when it suits them.

With respect, you are the one being a little naive. And yes, people paying for extensions in tens of thousands of cash still happens. In fact buying properties in cash also still happens.

In my experience the majority of tradespeople such as plumbers, electricians, carpenters etc will either except cash if offered to them or will suggest cash to bring down the price of a job. We all know it goes on and sorry if it tars them all with the same brush but that's just the way it is, let's not pretend otherwise. 

As the posters above have pointed out, you are perfectly within your rights to turn down any offers of cash, or set up a ltd company and do it all properly (not that that stops people employed or companies or through companies they own accepting cash.

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12 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

If anyone who lives near BS7, can’t get out and cannot do home deliveries, but needs some essentials, please DM me. Doing my next shop in 2-3 days and happy to buy a few things and leave them on your doorstep. 

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37 minutes ago, ITK..... said:

Prince Charles now tested positive for COVID 19. 

Stay away from the queen !! 

😂

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15 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

My Mrs works as a carer in a home for brain injured adults. They have a delivery from Asda 3 times a week. Due to limiting of certain items, Asda have told the home they need to bring the residents to the store to justify the large orders. when told that cannot happen as they are mostly in wheelchairs or unable to be moved, Asdas answer was 'tough'. Bloody appalling. I believe the store Manager was ripped a new one.

The other issue is that people who normally shop themselves are pre booking delivery slots meaning those that NEED to use those slots cannot get them. 

Has she got CV19 as well? 😲

That is very poor by Asda, if they have had a regular order for a long period of time surely they should take that into consideration. 

Great point about home delivery slots. I’ve no experience of home shopping but get the feeling from chatting with neighbours that it’s a bit of an elite thing, ‘too posh to shop’ in normal times. Many both work and have deliveries as they can’t to arsed to shop, even though they have time and vehicles. They want it delivered to them and even moan about having to put it away!

No doubt these people who are now both home as their jobs are non vital, or they could even be laid off, are still putting in their orders. If only they would see sense and leave the slots for people who don’t have any choice but to use them. 

My experience of observing people over the past few weeks hasn’t been very positive I’m afraid. Greedy, lazy, abusive and selfish. Makes me sad, it’s not only this virus that has attacked society.

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For all the times I read the news and chalk up another reason why I have given up on people, I then read stories like this and see that maybe I shouldn't be so cynical all the time. There are many, many good people out there, and if you're doing some volunteering through the mainstream NHS app, or with another organisation, or something off your own back like @And Its Smith, then fair play to you. And, for what's it's worth, you have my thanks.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/astonishing-170000-people-sign-up-to-be-nhs-volunteers-in-15-hours-coronavirus

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5 minutes ago, RedM said:

That is very poor by Asda, if they have had a regular order for a long period of time surely they should take that into consideration. 

Great point about home delivery slots. I’ve no experience of home shopping but get the feeling from chatting with neighbours that it’s a bit of an elite thing, ‘too posh to shop’ in normal times. Many both work and have deliveries as they can’t to arsed to shop, even though they have time and vehicles. They want it delivered to them and even moan about having to put it away!

No doubt these people who are now both home as their jobs are non vital, or they could even be laid off, are still putting in their orders. If only they would see sense and leave the slots for people who don’t have any choice but to use them. 

My experience of observing people over the past few weeks hasn’t been very positive I’m afraid. Greedy, lazy, abusive and selfish. Makes me sad, it’s not only this virus that has attacked society.

To be fair to the store manager, he went beserk when he was approached and sorted it very quickly but, as you say, those that rely on deliveries cannot guarantee them due to people that don't normally use that service being extremely selfish.

It's about time the people of the UK started growing a pair IMHO and start thinking about others.

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7 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

For all the times I read the news and chalk up another reason why I have given up on people, I then read stories like this and see that maybe I shouldn't be so cynical all the time. There are many, many good people out there, and if you're doing some volunteering through the mainstream NHS app, or with another organisation, or something off your own back like @And Its Smith, then fair play to you. And, for what's it's worth, you have my thanks.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/astonishing-170000-people-sign-up-to-be-nhs-volunteers-in-15-hours-coronavirus

That’s a great point. There have been some lovely people and great acts of kindness shown.

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On a more light hearted tone, one of our own has been putting tunes on youtube, about the virus. Take a look, they're really very good.

More to come....

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2 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

To be fair to the store manager, he went beserk when he was approached and sorted it very quickly but, as you say, those that rely on deliveries cannot guarantee them due to people that don't normally use that service being extremely selfish.

It's about time the people of the UK started growing a pair IMHO and start thinking about others.

The trouble is, until they remove compliance as an option people will continue to take the piss

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1 minute ago, Gert Mare said:

The trouble is, until they remove compliance as an option people will continue to take the piss

Spot on mate. I notice the police have been given powers to stop and fine now. £30 isn't going to stop people though, sadly. 

I cannot believe some pubs are still opening, utter madness! 

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47 minutes ago, ITK..... said:

Prince Charles now tested positive for COVID 19. 

Stay away from the queen !! 

prince_william_smiling_big.jpg

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6 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Spot on mate. I notice the police have been given powers to stop and fine now. £30 isn't going to stop people though, sadly. 

I cannot believe some pubs are still opening, utter madness! 

They'll lose their licence. end of. Then not get it back after all this is over.

I doubt the lockdown takings will cover the cost of losing their livelihood.

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12 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Spot on mate. I notice the police have been given powers to stop and fine now. £30 isn't going to stop people though, sadly. 

I cannot believe some pubs are still opening, utter madness! 

Really ! In Bristol ?

That is mental, absolutely nuts wherever it is.

 

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16 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

 

Interesting the bit at the end. What a crazy coincidence.

I have been saying for a while now how weird it is that babies seem to be fine when they don't really have an immune system. Surely that makes no sense.

Another thing is quite a number of people have questioned the reliability of the tests. Many false positive results.

People call conspiracy theorists 'mad conspiracy theorists' to put people off looking into things.

But always healthy to question everything imo.

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35 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

With respect, you are the one being a little naive. And yes, people paying for extensions in tens of thousands of cash still happens. In fact buying properties in cash also still happens.

In my experience the majority of tradespeople such as plumbers, electricians, carpenters etc will either except cash if offered to them or will suggest cash to bring down the price of a job. We all know it goes on and sorry if it tars them all with the same brush but that's just the way it is, let's not pretend otherwise. 

As the posters above have pointed out, you are perfectly within your rights to turn down any offers of cash, or set up a ltd company and do it all properly (not that that stops people employed or companies or through companies they own accepting cash.

How does anyone pay for a house in cash? They would get reported instantly and the Inland Revenue will be straight on them. You would struggle to buy a car for cash nowadays.

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1 hour ago, Ska Junkie said:

I don't think the 'essential / non essential' phrase was actually used in relation to the workplace Winterbourne. Didn't Boris say travel to work was currently allowed unless you can work from home? All very ambiguous but I'm pretty sure we'll be in total lockdown very soon anyway.

My employer has just issued us all with a 'key worker' document, countersigned by some NHS bigwig so we can keep working. If the NHS are issuing these now, I would imagine they know something we don't and full lockdown is close. 

As for the 80% thing, I would guess it's down to the employer to pay employees 80% and then apply for recompense from the government but that's purely a guess. 

Stay safe everyone. 

Thanks for the reply, 

Maybe something will be done in today’s update.

Stay safe everyone

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6 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Last I heard the King Billy was still opening. It was certainly open over the weekend. 

There's a couple that could be suspect for opening in that area.

Strong early doors trade from tradesmen.

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5 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

There's a couple that could be suspect for opening in that area.

Strong early doors trade from tradesmen.

i expected the lamb to try it but walked past last night, curtains open and nobody in there at all. I would hope the billy has done the same, I'll take my daily exercise stroll past it this evening and take a look. Everywhere else around here is closed AFAIK.

The Butchers always did a roaring early trade but it's firmly locked up.

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54 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

With respect, you are the one being a little naive. And yes, people paying for extensions in tens of thousands of cash still happens. In fact buying properties in cash also still happens.

In my experience the majority of tradespeople such as plumbers, electricians, carpenters etc will either except cash if offered to them or will suggest cash to bring down the price of a job. We all know it goes on and sorry if it tars them all with the same brush but that's just the way it is, let's not pretend otherwise. 

As the posters above have pointed out, you are perfectly within your rights to turn down any offers of cash, or set up a ltd company and do it all properly (not that that stops people employed or companies or through companies they own accepting cash.

Do people pay cash for houses to avoid tax?

I would be amazed if anyone paid cash for an extension or if they did, whether the builder would not declare it.  It would take a tax inspector 20 minutes to cross check planning applications and find out who carried out the work.

If an electrician was carrying out a job for say £100, he would end up paying 20% tax (based on the first tax threshold) This means it is worth £80 to him.  What would he possibly have to gain by offering to do the job for £80 cash?  It's still worth the same to him.

Tax evasion is the same throughout industry.  It is not exclusive or even more prevalent to the self-employed.

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I'm not knocking the Government here but these packages still have some gaping holes and lack clarity in places. 

1) Rent- is it a holiday like mortgage or merely an extension of an eviction grace/court period? Read it was the latter online. 

2) Zero hours. Guess Universal Credit applicable here but that system has its flaws. 

3) Employees who were laid off by proactive/desperate companies before the 80% rule was announced.

4) Self-employed. Already much covered in this thread.

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2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I'm not knocking the Government here but these packages still have some gaping holes and lack clarity in places. 

1) Rent- is it a holiday like mortgage or merely an extension of an eviction grace/court period? Read it was the latter online. 

2) Zero hours. Guess Universal Credit applicable here but that system has its flaws. 

3) Employees who were laid off by proactive/desperate companies before the 80% rule was announced.

It seems to be down to the employer Mr P.

My daughter has a job at Maccy D's, while she's at college and they are on zero hours contracts in the main. She's contracted for 22 hours a week for some reason and McD's are paying her in full until 05/04 and then 80% of her average hours over a 3 month period.

Fair play to them for that but it's a package which is definitely open to questions. Does the employer apply? Do they have to pay 80% to all employees? If someone was laid off very recently, do they still get paid 80% and where from etc etc?

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8 minutes ago, Delta said:

Do people pay cash for houses to avoid tax?

I would be amazed if anyone paid cash for an extension or if they did, whether the builder would not declare it.  It would take a tax inspector 20 minutes to cross check planning applications and find out who carried out the work.

If an electrician was carrying out a job for say £100, he would end up paying 20% tax (based on the first tax threshold) This means it is worth £80 to him.  What would he possibly have to gain by offering to do the job for £80 cash?  It's still worth the same to him.

Tax evasion is the same throughout industry.  It is not exclusive or even more prevalent to the self-employed.

Does a self employed person pay tax on the 80% as it goes down as a business payment or is that already deducted, hence the 80%.

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Are car dealerships open for servicing? my car is due it's annual service soon and is still under warranty if it's not done the warranty becomes void, would driving your car to the garage be allowed it's 15 miles from my house?

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4 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Same as freelance graphic designers. Most companies won’t hire you unless you are a limited company or are registered with an umbrella company, who sort out your NI and tax. I’m registered self employed with HMRC so can do self assessment but am employed by Parasol, the umbrella company, even though I don’t have any work at the moment. 

Yep, same here in Financial Services, Limited or Umbrella.  As Director (80/20 with Mrs F) I don't have an employment contract, so think we will fall down the gap of any support, other than the Business Loan...which we don't want / need, but there will be plenty of others that do.  As for Umbrella, you sign an Employment Contract but if you can't work I can't see Umbrella covering you.  I'm pretty sure Client will reject any invoices you raise through Umbrella, because you can only invoice for days worked (in theory).

As for me, contract finishes 2nd April....main reason being IR35 decisions (notwithstanding the 1 year delay...which came too late), and I'm now isolating for 12 weeks because of Joe so can't go out looking for a new contract / other work.  I'm not moaning, because I'm ok with money in the business to draw on....but I know of others in my situation who will be stuffed.

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3 minutes ago, pillred said:

Are car dealerships open for servicing? my car is due it's annual service soon and is still under warranty if it's not done the warranty becomes void, would driving your car to the garage be allowed it's 15 miles from my house?

I would call the dealer. Mine's in tomorrow and they're picking it up.

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5 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

It seems to be down to the employer Mr P.

My daughter has a job at Maccy D's, while she's at college and they are on zero hours contracts in the main. She's contracted for 22 hours a week for some reason and McD's are paying her in full until 05/04 and then 80% of her average hours over a 3 month period.

Fair play to them for that but it's a package which is definitely open to questions. Does the employer apply? Do they have to pay 80% to all employees? If someone was laid off very recently, do they still get paid 80% and where from etc etc?

Down to the employer and down to their cash flow IMO Ska. 

McDonald's is a global employer which I am assuming has significant cash reserves, more cushion, margin for error etc. Fair play it is despite not having to, but many employers won't be in the same position, be it choice or necessity. One I know laid off 30% of staff over a week long period (not last week but the week before). Dare say they wouldn't be alone in that...

Definitely as many questions as answers so far in that respect I think.

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