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The Coronavirus and how it impacts on sport

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36 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

No he’s Colonel Sanders.

Hope he's not finger licking' after he sneezes!

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4 hours ago, pillred said:

Well if that's the case some difficult questions are going to have to be asked because there is no way normal life can be put on hold that long, what the solution is I have no idea but one will have to be found that may include some kind of compromise such as once you have had it you get an exemption certificate from a doctor from all the restrictions currently in place or something like that.

Assuming Doctors and scientists can be 100% certain that once you've had it you cant get it again.

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2 hours ago, hodge said:

A 21 year old with no underlying health concerns has died after contracting the virus 

Unfortunately viruses don’t tend to discriminate between age, yes older people may be more likely to get it but it certainly and unfortunately doesn’t mean the young aren’t  vulnerable. Maybe this, and the death of the 37 year old British diplomat in Budapest,  will be the wake up call for some of the under 40s who think they are invincible.

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12 minutes ago, TomF said:

I expect she had an unknown underlying condition - quite often the case 

But on the same basis, any of us could have an underlying condition we are unaware of.  That's not how I want to discover it either!

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13 minutes ago, TomF said:

I expect she had an unknown underlying condition - quite often the case 

yes but how many others do to.

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2 minutes ago, TomF said:

No, I get that don’t get me wrong. 

I didn't get what you posted wrong I just wanted the invincibles to realise they maybe not. In normal life if we can remember back then kids dropped dead playing sport from conditions  they and their parents/guardians didn't know they had.

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3 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

I’m sure bcfc can look after himself but Christ you don’t half talk some tripe mate

Called having a bit of a dig back in response to his emoji. 

May well do, dare say you never post any at all of course

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3 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

Why ?

WTF has it got to do with you ?

Don't bother answering - you get on with your pointless trolling, I can't be arsed with your type.

Bye Bye :sub:

Nothing  you just seem likely to get on your high horse about it. 

Cheerio... :subber:

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2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Plenty but I’m not a angry man as you come across,life’s to short to be bitter 

Fair. 

I'll try and take things less seriously from here on in. Life's too short as you say and tbh food delivery yes that's an important role.

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2 hours ago, TomF said:

I expect she had an unknown underlying condition - quite often the case 

I suspect that the message of the article is, there is no certainty with Coronavirus and it has to be taken seriously (I've certainly changed my view as I've learned more and I'm not ashamed to say this).

We can continue to think that we don't fit in the 'at risk' bracket or accept that there will be outliers. Let's hope that the number of outliers is low and other families don't experience the loss of a loved one.

It's a bit like the belief that measles/chicken pox/mumps/etc. is harmless for healthy people, but tell that to those who have been severely affected by such conditions.

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Well deaths today (25th) less than half the previous day 41 against 87 let's hope we have seen the worst if so this could turn out to be not as bad as was predicted even only a couple of days ago. I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed.

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1 hour ago, pillred said:

Well deaths today (25th) less than half the previous day 41 against 87 let's hope we have seen the worst if so this could turn out to be not as bad as was predicted even only a couple of days ago. I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed.

A word of caution.

Todays jump in new cases is the highest so far, over 1400. Whilst we’re all hoping for the number of deaths to fall the sad likelihood is that the higher number of new cases today the more deaths there will be in 2 weeks time.

 

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6 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Has a post ever aged worse?

He may be right; at present it's all speculation followed by assertion in the absence of decent data.

Actual cases and deaths at this stage are a tiny fraction of a normal winter's flu and the scary looking curves if plotted against that would be barely discernible.

The first point at which we get some decent data is with the roll out of the 2.5 million antibody testing kit to see how many in the wider population have had it.  There are claims that it has been around for over a year before it was identified; they may be wrong but this will be the first time those claims are tested.  Current testing is only identifying whether someone currently has the virus; if they have had it and recovered then it returns a negative.

If it turns out from those tests that half the population has had it and the death rate is 0.0001% then it's back to normal; if it's that a tiny number have had it and the death rate is 2% then it's keep the hatches battened down particularly for people with existing health problems for whom that 2% becomes a lot higher.

Governments generally are copying each other in their response though Sweden has taken the approach of carrying on as normal.  Either approach may be correct.

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1 hour ago, Eddie Hitler said:

If it turns out from those tests that half the population has had it and the death rate is 0.0001% then it's back to normal; if it's that a tiny number have had it and the death rate is 2% then it's keep the hatches battened down

This is a great post, the only thing I’d ask anyone in healthcare who posts on here would be, how does the number of admissions to Hospital since January for Pneumonia compare to a Winter/Spring period from every other year?

My suspicion, judging from what doctors themselves are saying, is that it’s much higher than usual which would suggest (maybe) that this has not been doing the rounds for that long and consequently the number of people who already have immunity is not that great at all.

 

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Hearing that NHS Nightingale will be fitted with 2 morgues. Very sad but it sounds more like a place to send those who will more than likely lose their life. 4000 beds to be fitted. I don’t think we’ve even scratched the surface yet in terms of deaths in this country.

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4 hours ago, pillred said:

Well deaths today (25th) less than half the previous day 41 against 87 let's hope we have seen the worst if so this could turn out to be not as bad as was predicted even only a couple of days ago. I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed.

Doubt you will hear that much on the media def not be headline news either....doom mongers rule ok.

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5 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Hearing that NHS Nightingale will be fitted with 2 morgues. Very sad but it sounds more like a place to send those who will more than likely lose their life. 4000 beds to be fitted. I don’t think we’ve even scratched the surface yet in terms of deaths in this country.

🥶 are you choosing to ignore the current 50% drop in deaths in the last 2 days? way from over but a tiny shaft of light maybe? or are we in fact doomed to a painfull death in a sea of loo roll.

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11 minutes ago, glos old boy said:

🥶 are you choosing to ignore the current 50% drop in deaths in the last 2 days? way from over but a tiny shaft of light maybe? or are we in fact doomed to a painfull death in a sea of loo roll.

Most people who die from this disease do so at least 10 days - 2 weeks after they start showing symptoms. Yesterday showed the largest number of new cases in a day, which is concerning. Even if we’re only currently testing people who are so sick they're in hospital, that still suggests that the death rate will go up over the next 7 days.
Obviously we all hope for a quick drop in cases and deaths but it’s worth remaining realistic about where we are in this Pandemic.

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5 hours ago, pillred said:

Well deaths today (25th) less than half the previous day 41 against 87 let's hope we have seen the worst if so this could turn out to be not as bad as was predicted even only a couple of days ago. I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed.

The number of deaths will ramp up over the next couple of weeks, not least because we will run out of ITU and hospital beds, and patients will be discharged early or possibly not even admitted depending on circumstances. Obviously we don't have the equipment, expertise or ability to act as quickly in primary care, so don't get your hopes up.

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19 hours ago, Vincent Vega said:

If you don't know, I honestly cant help you.

Oh okay. Shy away from actually explaining your position when someone calls you out on your baseless agenda. Cool.

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1 hour ago, reddoc said:

The number of deaths will ramp up over the next couple of weeks, not least because we will run out of ITU and hospital beds, and patients will be discharged early or possibly not even admitted depending on circumstances. Obviously we don't have the equipment, expertise or ability to act as quickly in primary care, so don't get your hopes up.

Yep. The next week or so is when we'll see the impact of the morons treating last weekend as a Bank Holiday.

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1 hour ago, reddoc said:

The number of deaths will ramp up over the next couple of weeks, not least because we will run out of ITU and hospital beds, and patients will be discharged early or possibly not even admitted depending on circumstances. Obviously we don't have the equipment, expertise or ability to act as quickly in primary care, so don't get your hopes up.

My mum works in the NHS at southmead hospital and their view is this will peak in three weeks , which is the Easter period. 
 

@NorthernRed I fear you may be right , about Easter weekend, especially if weather is nice 

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1 hour ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

Most people who die from this disease do so at least 10 days - 2 weeks after they start showing symptoms. Yesterday showed the largest number of new cases in a day, which is concerning. Even if we’re only currently testing people who are so sick they're in hospital, that still suggests that the death rate will go up over the next 7 days.
Obviously we all hope for a quick drop in cases and deaths but it’s worth remaining realistic about where we are in this Pandemic.

There are now a lot more being tested for the virus so the number of cases will also go up and you may be right in saying the mortality rate may go up as a result. Lets hope not.

The first real data we will get is from testing how many people have already had it (as many have said) which should be in the next week or two hopefully :fingerscrossed:

 

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The situation is complicated to say the least. There are going to be many more cases than the official figure because testing has been restricted to the hospitalised cases for the past week or so. What we don’t know is whether 5% or 20% of cases are being hospitalised. If it’s the former then the likelihood is that there are a lot of people with relatively mild or no symptoms with the virus (Prince Charles) but if it’s the latter then the NHS will be overwhelmed very quickly. There are definitely more patients with respiratory problems being admitted to intensive care than usual, so if anyone still believes this is just like a bad flu winter, please junk that misconception.

The likelihood is that this will be somewhere between very bad and the NHS will just cope given the massive plans already being devised, or it will be truly apocalyptic and up to half a million will die. 

Until we get the serological (blood) testing to see how many already have antibodies we will remain dependent on modelling assumptions, which will range from the stupidly optimistic to the darkly pessimistic. Unfortunately you have to plan for the latter until proven otherwise.

On that basis, please try to stay at home, self isolate if you have symptoms, although in mild cases it can be hard to know if it really is anything or not, which is a problem in itself, and hopefully we can slow transmission for now. However, this isn’t going away if it’s own accord and until either there is an effective early treatment to stop people getting so sick as to need intensive care, a vaccine or herd immunity does reach a high enough level, then restrictions are likely to continue. I would suggest that is more likely to be months rather than a few weeks.

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2 hours ago, Redpool said:

Hearing that NHS Nightingale will be fitted with 2 morgues. Very sad but it sounds more like a place to send those who will more than likely lose their life. 4000 beds to be fitted. I don’t think we’ve even scratched the surface yet in terms of deaths in this country.

Yeah, the scale of it really brings home what is expected- apologies if this has been posted before:

 

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2 minutes ago, QuedgeRed said:

Sorry, got to share this 😂

 

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That’s made me feel a bit sick 🤮

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Just to lighten the mood....

 

Subject: WOMEN’S INSTITUTE EMAIL - Imagine Victoria Wood or Joyce Grenville saying this...

Buckshaw WI have issued the following guidance for isolation.

Right ladies, Judith Bickerstaffe has kindly emailed the crochet patterns for the face masks and matching underwear sets. Anyone who runs out of wool should message Delia who will leave fresh supplies in a vacuum sealed sandwich bag on your doorstep. She will knock the theme tune to Miami Vice on your door so you know it's her, you'll have to take pot luck on colours, but I do know there is a particularly lovely shade of burnt copper. Mavis has drawn up a rota for the Haz Mat suit and WW2 Gas Mask, it is one size fits all so please don't specify size requirements. If any of our less able members need provisions such as bread, milk, wine, Gin or pickled walnuts please contact Cynthia, who will pop to the shops for you providing her moped isn't being used by her grandson for pizza deliveries.

Laura will go ahead with her useful and inspirational talk on Christmas and other gifts made from j-cloths via Skype.

Currently we will have to abandon our collection of soft toys made from used hosiery, particularly after that unfortunate incident when Derek Malmsbury was found doing unspeakable things to the elephant made by his wife, Nora. I'm sure we all support Nora at this upsetting time. Apparently they WERE Derek's fishnets, which is why he was confused and why he wanted them back. Still that should never be done to a child's soft toy.

Connie is finishing off the template for making an emergency face mask and draft excluder from a spare bra. I know some members have raised concern that as Connie is a 46GG she has more material to work with than most, but she assures me her template will be scalable from 32 A upwards.

Audrey wants to apologize for the mix-up with the medication run, but please be rest assured Joan suffered no side effects from taking Marjorie Butterworth's husband Viagra and haliborange. And likewise Marjorie's husband seems to have responded really well to the HRT. Marjorie says they even agreed on the pattern for their new curtains.

Sad news because of the Government announcement, the trip to Leeds and 'Miss Fifi's Private Dungeon and Macrame club' has been postponed and at this moment we don't have a rescheduled date.

Great news: we have already started collecting prizes for the summer fayre raffle. It looks like the star prize this year may well be a pack of 9 Andrex Quilted Aloe Vera toilet rolls. Shortly followed by a complete set of knitted Nolan Sisters toilet roll covers. Mavis says any resemblance between Colleen and Anne Widdecombe is purely coincidental.

Right Ladies I must dash, I hear Booths has just had a fresh delivery of tinned prunes.

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1 hour ago, Kykoliko said:

Oh okay. Shy away from actually explaining your position when someone calls you out on your baseless agenda. Cool.

Or can't be bothered to explain myself to brain dead idiots. Try googling wet markets of China, or maybe read the book published in 2011 predicting this exact thing and how it would start. But yeah a baseless agenda you absolute belter. Now toddle off and bury your head .

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4 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

He may be right; at present it's all speculation followed by assertion in the absence of decent data.

Actual cases and deaths at this stage are a tiny fraction of a normal winter's flu and the scary looking curves if plotted against that would be barely discernible.

The first point at which we get some decent data is with the roll out of the 2.5 million antibody testing kit to see how many in the wider population have had it.  There are claims that it has been around for over a year before it was identified; they may be wrong but this will be the first time those claims are tested.  Current testing is only identifying whether someone currently has the virus; if they have had it and recovered then it returns a negative.

If it turns out from those tests that half the population has had it and the death rate is 0.0001% then it's back to normal; if it's that a tiny number have had it and the death rate is 2% then it's keep the hatches battened down particularly for people with existing health problems for whom that 2% becomes a lot higher.

Governments generally are copying each other in their response though Sweden has taken the approach of carrying on as normal.  Either approach may be correct.

I think it's extraordinarily unlikely it's been around for a year given how contagious it is and the number of people it is putting in hospitals. Firstly, the health service would have noticed the impact of it (as health services now are all around the world) and secondly, people hospitalised with things like pneumonia are tested for the type of virus/infection they have and so if it was a new virus it would have been discovered as soon as the first person was hospitalised and tested. 

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2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I think it's extraordinarily unlikely it's been around for a year given how contagious it is and the number of people it is putting in hospitals. Firstly, the health service would have noticed the impact of it (as health services now are all around the world) and secondly, people hospitalised with things like pneumonia are tested for the type of virus/infection they have and so if it was a new virus it would have been discovered as soon as the first person was hospitalised and tested. 

There seems to be a lot of wishful thinking going on around this.

It seems about 50% of the population are trying to convince themselves that they already 'had it around Christmas'.

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9 minutes ago, Stortz said:

There seems to be a lot of wishful thinking going on around this.

It seems about 50% of the population are trying to convince themselves that they already 'had it around Christmas'.

Yep, I did in fact have a really nasty virus around October that eventually turned into a chest infection in November. The chest infection was in the same place I had pneumonia three years ago so I've been through the mill with chest infections of late and know how it works, all the way from GP care through to hospitalisation for the pneumonia.

I was also in the BRI on Tuesday including in a coronavirus isolation unit. The hospital is actually incredibly quiet at the moment because they've cancelled all outpatient appointments and routine surgery. I was the only person in the isolation unit and only saw two other patients all day, one of whom was a young man that had done too much ket the night before! 

But it's quiet for a very good reason, because they know in three to four weeks time it is very likely they are going to be at capacity dealing with covid-19 patients. 

The concern is that this virus is so contagious and hits the lungs quickly meaning vulnerable patients (including myself as an asthmatic and recent history of chest infections) are going to be hospitalised in some instances. 

Difficult to see normality returning any time soon with no vaccine or medication available to reduce the impact of symptoms. Hope I'm wrong, but my recent experiences mean I ain't overly optimistic. 

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Something worrying, the political editor for news night saying the govt are changing the way they are releasing death figures and may not be deaths in the last 24 hours, which he claims is due to needing family consent, however you don't need consent to be a part of annonymised data as that's the point of it. Feels like the govt are manipulating figures. 

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I think, in response to a few earlier posts; the number shown as infected will increase sharply for the foreseeable. Two reasons for this:

Firstly; More people are getting it, we all know infection rate hasn't peaked yet.......BUT.....the sooner people take isolation seriously, the SOONER infection rates WILL PLATEAU.

Secondly; the Govt are ramping up testing, ALOT more people will be tested from here on in. Hopefully the retrospective tests that are soon to be rolled out will show more people have had the virus than currently estimated, though this is not probably too likely in reality - hoping I'm wrong on that.

It's a very difficult situation to manage. We all want to keep deaths of of friends, colleagues, family and loved ones to an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM, but also we need a world we can all enjoy and live in after, without rationing and the incredible hardships that a great depression would bring. (Not just luxury items, make NO mistake, get it wrong and we could end up with food and clothes shortages to name but two) for many years to come. It's hard for me to fathom that my 9 and 11 yo kids could still be suffering from the fall out of this when they leave the education system in many years time.

Really tough choices for our leaders, I for one, don't envy them one bit. History will judge us all on these coming months for sure. 

We all must do our bit.

 

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37 minutes ago, Stortz said:

There seems to be a lot of wishful thinking going on around this.

It seems about 50% of the population are trying to convince themselves that they already 'had it around Christmas'.

That's why I'm wondering as several people have said they definitely had it last winter.  Before that I hadn't entertained the possibility.

With mass testing we will know anyway and until those results are out I'm following the government guidelines because what is done cannot be undone.

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3 hours ago, glos old boy said:

Doubt you will hear that much on the media def not be headline news either....doom mongers rule ok.

Noticed that on Breakfast this morning, if the death toll had gone up by even one over the previous day we would not have heard the end of it but the toll is less than half the previous day and it gets a passing mention, was not surprised though.

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45 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Or can't be bothered to explain myself to brain dead idiots. Try googling wet markets of China, or maybe read the book published in 2011 predicting this exact thing and how it would start. But yeah a baseless agenda you absolute belter. Now toddle off and bury your head .

"Educate yourself" isn't going to cut it I'm afraid. I would honestly like to hear more about your stance on this.

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