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24 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Was out earlier doing some shopping (normal not panic). 

Was surprised to see people not socially distancing correctly. In a supermarket it's difficult to do so when others are not in somewhere like a supermarket though.

Found what was looking for eventually but had to shop around. 

More generally, people walking down road together, holding hands in various cases- I fear the message is not getting through to as many as it should.

Did you get @Harry permission before stepping out of your house?  He doesn’t want anyone going out ever. Even if to get food or to take food to a vulnerable relative.  
 

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1 hour ago, cityloyal473 said:

Lamentable in your opinion. Not in mine. There is no modern precedent for tackling a crises such as this, and I'm happy with the government's performance so far. 

Except for the precedent of China, Italy, Spain, France...

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1 hour ago, Roger Red Hat said:

No they are not, and they haven't been.  That's why people are complaining. The standard of leadership from the top has been pathetic, and unsurprising considering Bozo's record in public office. Don't be naive.

So, what does Roger Red Hat want more from the government? What do you want them to do that will satisfy your needs?

It’s frankly tiresome. I’ve seen people like you on my twitter timeline over the last few weeks, thinking they can take on the country and do a better job. 

Move on and look after your loved ones in the coming weeks.  

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12 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

The curve is quite steep;

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

As Boris has said - at least 12 weeks before we can see some sort of light at the end of the tunnel - but meantime, if we can get the testing done to identify any retrospective cases, it would help enormously.

Let see hope so as we have no idea how the UK will cope if we see numbers dying similar to Italy's 

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6 hours ago, bristolcitysweden said:

2000 years since Christ. 3 generations per 100 years= 6 000  people and they are all dead. No one has complained. Now we are striked by a slight breeze. I don't give s shit. 

Tommy keep drinking the vodka, if you run out you can come to Tallinn on the ferry, if it's going, there is plenty here and at cheaper prices mainly because the Finns are not coming at the moment. My wife and I are booked on the mini cruise to Stockholm on the 20th April as it's our tenth wedding anniversary, not sure if it will go. Take care mate and all the best!

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1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

And UK still isn’t testing....incredibly people happy with BJ and gang 

Do we have enough kits to test everyone?

If not, where do we get them all from?

Do you want us to test every person within the UK?

If so when, where and how many staff are required to test everyone safely?

I have had a bad cough for a week, but no temperature, so I may well have it but with milder symptoms - where would I go in the queue for testing? Is it safe for me to go and get tested? 

 

@And Its Smith Any chance of a reply please? If everything is/was done wrongly I would like to know how all this simple testing should have been/be done? No point slagging off at every opportunity if you do not have the answer(s), maybe the Government haven't put all the testing in place because it is impossible to do?

 

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1 hour ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Mrs LR popped out to Tesco`s in Launceston this morning and managed to get everything she wanted - mince, cheese, sausages, fresh veg and even some rice ( she only got one of everything, not twenty!). It was all stuff we would have bought every week normally.

I really think the limit on purchases is working PROVIDED it`s being enforced. I also think in smaller towns with only one supermarket there`s an element of `I know what you did` where people acting like selfish idiots can easily be spotted by folks that know them and they`re shamed into acting a bit more considerately.

That's a long way to go for some sausages

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24 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

I drove down Gloucester Road you numpty. I wasn’t out in Glos Road!   How are you getting your food?  

 

To be honest, it was meant fairly tongue in cheek. 
Yes, going out for essentials is necessary. Of course. 
Many are going out for whatever reason. 

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18 minutes ago, wood_red said:

Do we have enough kits to test everyone?

If not, where do we get them all from?

Do you want us to test every person within the UK?

If so when, where and how many staff are required to test everyone safely?

I have had a bad cough for a week, but no temperature, so I may well have it but with milder symptoms - where would I go in the queue for testing? Is it safe for me to go and get tested? 

 

@And Its Smith Any chance of a reply please? If everything is/was done wrongly I would like to know how all this simple testing should have been/be done? No point slagging off at every opportunity if you do not have the answer(s), maybe the Government haven't put all the testing in place because it is impossible to do?

 

It’s been repeatedly pointed out that the government should have closed down public spaces weeks ago when Germany and France took action. They should’ve started building makeshift hospitals months ago and increasing ventilators. I assume none of you are listening to this though? 

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1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

Could be worse I suppose. Trump and his cronies had an even slower response to this and as a result the US infection rate per capita has just overtaken ours. Worried about my family out there.

Thanks for this info, Ed. I genuinely didn't know this - and have been turning down flu jabs for years. Will take it next time it's offered.

 

On another point, the panic buyers are still at it and silly things are scarce now. Fresh veg, eggs, meat - even bloody pickles.  Supermarkets I've been to are permanently rammed and the shortages mean you often have to go to more than one to get basics. Meaning you probably encounter about 1000 times the number of potentially infected people than if the pubs were still open. I wonder if it's time to start scoping bringing back ration books?

This is a war. Just against an invisible enemy.

And most of the fat bastards piling their shopping trolleys would benefit from a few weeks on rations........

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2 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

And UK still isn’t testing....incredibly people happy with BJ and gang 

Do we have enough kits to test everyone?

If not, where do we get them all from?

Do you want us to test every person within the UK?

If so when, where and how many staff are required to test everyone safely?

I have had a bad cough for a week, but no temperature, so I may well have it but with milder symptoms - where would I go in the queue for testing? Is it safe for me to go and get tested? 

 

@And Its Smith The lack of response from yourself really is showing you up for what you are (you seem able to reply to everything else though for some reason)?

Why don't we start with getting every person over the age of 70 queuing up at every hospital they can get to, and get the NHS staff to test them all? Then maybe tomorrow we can queue up the over 60s, then day after the over 50s etc etc. I mean it's not as if they are busy is it?

 

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4 minutes ago, Odysseus said:

It’s been repeatedly pointed out that the government should have closed down public spaces weeks ago when Germany and France took action. They should’ve started building makeshift hospitals months ago and increasing ventilators. I assume none of you are listening to this though? 

Wise words mate.

Thanks for that.

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58 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I suspect there are many of us on here who wouldn’t mind knowing whether the illness we had over Xmas / New Year was Coronavirus, so we can keep our family, friends and work colleagues safe.  I know that isn’t possible at the mo’, but testing should be high up the priority list.

No. That won’t have be Covid-19 at Christmas/New Year. More likely actually influenza. There are about 6 major types of respiratory viruses (RSV, Adenovirus, Rhinovirus, Influenza, Parainfluenza and Human Metapneumovirus) all of which occur at varying stages during the autumn and winter, with a fairly predictable pattern. Currently Hunan Metapneumovirus is the most common, and can be pretty severe on its own.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I suspect there are many of us on here who wouldn’t mind knowing whether the illness we had over Xmas / New Year was Coronavirus, so we can keep our family, friends and work colleagues safe.  I know that isn’t possible at the mo’, but testing should be high up the priority list.

My old mum is convinced she had it in January, really poorly for three weeks and she self quarantined without thinking it could be this.  I hope it was, that might keep her safe.

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Just Read this and copied and pasted it 

Good read from an immunologist at Johns Hopkins University

Not really feeling sick and do not want to be..but if you are feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...

It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not needed right now.

#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks...

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1 hour ago, DSTAF said:

How much experience in dealing with the Coronavirus do the editor of the Lancet and the WHO have?  I’ll tell you how much: the same as every other swinging dick out there. 
 

The response by the government to COVID can only really be judged when this has finished. 

Which is what I said.

However as to your first question, the Editor of the Lancet is an eminent virologist who specialises in pandemics. So, actually a lot more experience than other "swinging dicks".

He's been consistently critical of the speed of the government's response.

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19 minutes ago, RedorDead BCFC said:

Just Read this and copied and pasted it 

Good read from an immunologist at Johns Hopkins University

Not really feeling sick and do not want to be..but if you are feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...

It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not needed right now.

#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks...

That’s it, I’m now uncorking one of the special reds in my wine rack..... no point keeping them for that special occasion.

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3 minutes ago, mozo said:

Yeah something that happened weeks prior.

Nope. Try again. I'll help you out: a precedent is related to historical terms.  Two weeks is not historical. If City won on the 1st of March, drew on the 8th of March, won a midweek game on the 11th,  and lost on the 15th, what is the historical precedence?  I'll not stay up all night waiting for your answer. 

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26 minutes ago, wood_red said:

Do we have enough kits to test everyone?  - if we ramped up production we would. A German company have produced 3m in 4 days.  That’s enough for now. 

If not, where do we get them all from? - answered above 

Do you want us to test every person within the UK? - no of course not. Just people with symptoms and only if they cannot just self isolate. 

If so when, where and how many staff are required to test everyone safely? - drive in test centres as used in korea. 

I have had a bad cough for a week, but no temperature, so I may well have it but with milder symptoms - where would I go in the queue for testing? Is it safe for me to go and get tested?  - if you can self isolate with little problems then do that. If you are vulnerable, unable to get anyone to bring you food then get tested. Especially if you are a key worker. We aren’t even testing doctors. 

 

@And Its Smith The lack of response from yourself really is showing you up for what you are (you seem able to reply to everything else though for some reason)?

Why don't we start with getting every person over the age of 70 queuing up at every hospital they can get to, and get the NHS staff to test them all? Then maybe tomorrow we can queue up the over 60s, then day after the over 50s etc etc. I mean it's not as if they are busy is it?

 

Someone is needy. Answers above. And no need to keep messaging me or for flippancy 

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22 minutes ago, RedorDead BCFC said:

Just Read this and copied and pasted it 

Good read from an immunologist at Johns Hopkins University

Not really feeling sick and do not want to be..but if you are feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...

It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not needed right now.

#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks...

 

Very interesting although the author seems to be certain Covid-19 emerged from the market in Wuhan in December, and this is only the predominant theory. Science hasn't proved this yet.

[as an aside, I'm not really sure what he's on about with "the Black Plague" either. The Black Death was two centuries earlier and the plagues in early Tudor times were called the "sweating sickness". Henry VIII didn't stay in a room, but moved the entire court out of London]

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8 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Which is what I said.

However as to your first question, the Editor of the Lancet is an eminent virologist who specialises in pandemics. So, actually a lot more experience than other "swinging dicks".

He's been consistently critical of the speed of the government's response.

That is all good and well, but unless he is sat in meetings with the Government (maybe he is I don't know), then how does he know what is actual possible to do and the consequences, and actually put in place in an ever changing situation? It is just too easy for people like him to know about the disease and then criticise the measures taken without knowing the full facts and consequences of the actions that he wants imo.

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20 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said:

Nope. Try again. I'll help you out: a precedent is related to historical terms.  Two weeks is not historical. If City won on the 1st of March, drew on the 8th of March, won a midweek game on the 11th,  and lost on the 15th, what is the historical precedence?  I'll not stay up all night waiting for your answer. 

I don't want to be the one to prove his point by copying and pasting a dictionary definition!

Look I'm sure we're not so far apart here. I think that those extra weeks to observe other countries should have made us better equipped. You don't think it makes a difference. 

I'm happy to have a friendly disagreement on that point. 

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Just watched Ant and Decs takeaway with no audience. And got thinking my wife watches soaps (I do like Emmerdale probably cause I don’t like to far from the Forest if Dean so it’s like real life for me) and things like X factor and the sort. Now some will say this is a good thing, but these are obviously going to have trouble filming. So it won’t be long till we are in a time when it’s only repeats on the TV. 

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