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Think it's only Bayern that have announced a tentative return to training.

Meanwhile, a week ago players, coaching staff and top management at the following clubs had already announced that they were voluntarily taking a cut in their pay in order to help their club (others, it was reported, had hinted that they'd done so, but didn't want to make a media issue of it):

> Gladbach - players, coaches and top management: 1m EUR savings a month for the club

> Bayern - players and top management: 20% voluntary cut

> BVB - ditto - "significant portions of their salaries", saving the club over 10m EUR

> Mainz 05 - players forgoing wages

> Union Berlin - players forgoing wages

> Schalke

> Koeln

> Duesseldorf

> Bielefeld (saving €1m)

> Bochum

> Wiesbaden

> Karsruhe

 

Meanwhile in the UK? Most players seem to be hiding behind the PFA and some clubs are taking tax-payers' money to fund the wages of non-playing staff.

The UK doesn't compare well on this front, does it?

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46 minutes ago, Blagdon red said:

Think it's only Bayern that have announced a tentative return to training.

Meanwhile, a week ago players, coaching staff and top management at the following clubs had already announced that they were voluntarily taking a cut in their pay in order to help their club (others, it was reported, had hinted that they'd done so, but didn't want to make a media issue of it):

> Gladbach - players, coaches and top management: 1m EUR savings a month for the club

> Bayern - players and top management: 20% voluntary cut

> BVB - ditto - "significant portions of their salaries", saving the club over 10m EUR

> Mainz 05 - players forgoing wages

> Union Berlin - players forgoing wages

> Schalke

> Koeln

> Duesseldorf

> Bielefeld (saving €1m)

> Bochum

> Wiesbaden

> Karsruhe

 

Meanwhile in the UK? Most players seem to be hiding behind the PFA and some clubs are taking tax-payers' money to fund the wages of non-playing staff.

The UK doesn't compare well on this front, does it?

Bayern Munich, Bayer Leverkusen, Borussia Dortmund and RB Leipzig have also given up their champions league tv money to teams lower down the leagues to help keep them afloat. 

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I think the spotlight on football clubs/players is unfair.

Yes, they could help out more than they are.

However, why highlight and publicly shame them, but not other sports stars, bankers, business executives, and a whole host of other rich/famous people who probably have longer careers.

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3 hours ago, MC RISK77 said:

Wow what are they doing so differently?

They acted quickly to close public events and enforce social distancing and have been testing and tracking cases. There has been luck involved, and things may yet get worse, but they are currently showing the value of a quick emphatic response.

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2 hours ago, MC RISK77 said:

Wow what are they doing so differently?

On the 3rd March Angela Merkel was joking in front of tv cameras with a member of her government about how they couldn't shake hands any more - neither of them were considered to be at risk. On the 3rd of March Boris Johnson was explaining that he had been shaking hands with coronavirus victims and that it was a safe thing to do.

Whilst we were talking about herd immunity, they were locking down, ramping up testing and continuing to develop their contact tracing strategy. Just like Singapore and South Korea.

They're now doing 5 to 10 times more tests than us and planning to increase that much further. We've bought 3.75 million 'game change' antibody tests that don't seem to work.

We now have a government in meltdown and are talking about extending and psosibly making the terms of our lockdown stricter... and they are planning to come out of lockdown.

With the exception of Rishi Sunak, who is doing a good job under extremely difficult circumstances, our government has handled the crisis terribly. It's an awful situation and it's not an easy thing to get right, but Germany shows that it's possible, in a developed Western democracy, to act swiftly and well. They will have fewer deaths and their economy will be much less badly impacted than ours.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52176562
 

All clubs are back in training. Germany is ahead of the UK in terms of the progression of the virus and are better resourced in terms of testing. 
 

La Liga boss referred to the possibility of a May resumption of La Liga.

English league won’t be the first back, nor will it be the last

stay safe everyone

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8 hours ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

It's almost like they're trying to embarrass/shame "the home of football"

The Premier league needs no help in doing that.

Rest assured, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City et al, would happily see every other division collapse and all the clubs fold, if it meant they became a little richer.

Fuelled by greed and sense of self entitlement to that point that it’s sickening.

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6 hours ago, sugarwray said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52176562
 

All clubs are back in training. Germany is ahead of the UK in terms of the progression of the virus and are better resourced in terms of testing. 
 

La Liga boss referred to the possibility of a May resumption of La Liga.

English league won’t be the first back, nor will it be the last

stay safe everyone

I remember a little while ago that it was mooted Serie A might return in early to mid-May.

Behind closed doors I'm sure but would be a sign of returning to normality over there. Plus if it's first back it's something decent watch as football slowly returns and until it's back here!

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10 hours ago, Blagdon red said:

Think it's only Bayern that have announced a tentative return to training.

Meanwhile, a week ago players, coaching staff and top management at the following clubs had already announced that they were voluntarily taking a cut in their pay in order to help their club (others, it was reported, had hinted that they'd done so, but didn't want to make a media issue of it):

> Gladbach - players, coaches and top management: 1m EUR savings a month for the club

> Bayern - players and top management: 20% voluntary cut

> BVB - ditto - "significant portions of their salaries", saving the club over 10m EUR

> Mainz 05 - players forgoing wages

> Union Berlin - players forgoing wages

> Schalke

> Koeln

> Duesseldorf

> Bielefeld (saving €1m)

> Bochum

> Wiesbaden

> Karsruhe

 

Meanwhile in the UK? Most players seem to be hiding behind the PFA and some clubs are taking tax-payers' money to fund the wages of non-playing staff.

The UK doesn't compare well on this front, does it?

What does the uk compare well on in most aspects of life?

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1 hour ago, Champion Dung Spreader said:

New figures for today:

UK 6159 deaths (786 in last 24 hours) Total Cases 55,940

Germany 1854 deaths (44 in last 24 hours) Total Cases 105,519

 

They're testing more - state intervention works

Said on today’s Coronavirus news update that Germany were miles ahead of every other European with early testing strategy.

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52 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Said on today’s Coronavirus news update that Germany were miles ahead of every other European with early testing strategy.

in Germany they claimed to be only Kilometers ahead. ?

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On 08/04/2020 at 07:13, MRSATAN said:

but they are NOT testing all deaths for corona are they?

if you havent been tested before death in anyway then they do not test post mortem which is why the german death rate looks so much better than most others

Every country tests and reports differently. So it's true that you can't do a direct comparison of the numbers of deaths. But because our approach to testing is the same from one week to the next, what you can do is compare the trend. 

In Germany deaths are decreasing, whilst in the UK the numbers of deaths per day continues to accelerate and we're not at the peak yet. We look like we'll be the worst affected European country. Worse even than Spain or Italy.

There's no excuse for that. It hit us slightly later and we had a few valuable days more to prepare what we were going to do.

What did we do with that time? We delayed our lockdown. We left the pubs open, the Cheltenham festival went ahead, thousands of Atletico fans from the worst affected European city came over even whilst banned from going to watch football at home. Those were political decisions.

Which aggravated long term political decisions to underfund our NHS. We've got 4 times fewer critical care beds per capita than Germany! So we're desperately scrabbling to turn exhibition centres into 'hospitals'. Whilst they've been sharing their excess capacity by bringing in patients from Italy and France.

Our government has let us down catastrophically.

 

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9 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It's about football rather than Covid 19 but a decent article- kind of backs up @Blagdon red post.

https://sports.yahoo.com/why-the-bundesligas-response-to-the-coronavirus-is-an-example-for-all-other-leagues-173938772.html

Suggests that Bundesliga to resume sometime in May- or at least, that's the plan.

The main reason for the footballing differences is to do with club ownership (I.e. fans own at least 51% of the club in almost all instances) plus a national mentality that money isn’t everything. If the same situation occurred here, then I am sure that there would be a lot more talk about mutual aid, because even amongst rivals, few actually want to see another club go to the wall, because who knows it could be your club next. 

Unfortunately football clubs in England have followed the national political push of the last 40 years in this country, that “there is no such thing as society” it’s “every man for himself”, that “greed is good”, and you can sell your assets to the highest bidder, it doesn’t matter where they are from or their background. Why do you think most of our utilities (electricity, gas, water), most of our train companies, and many of our other services are foreign owned? In fact, the NHS is one of the last things we have that is truly British, and if certain right wingers had their way, they would break that up, sell it off and just try to make money from people’s suffering.

In the Premier League, clubs are mostly owned by foreign billionaires who have little attachment or interest in the country, or even its football culture, just want the glory, exposure and potentially the profit. Given that’s the position from the top, I have less problem than I might otherwise have with players saying that their contracts should be honoured and paid, because at least the HMRC will be getting 45% of the tax on anything over £150,000.

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And as for the lower rate of Covid-19 in Germany, that’s because they followed WHO advice on what to do in a pandemic. Test, test, test, isolate, distance, quarantine and contact trace. They followed South Korea and other Asian countries’ lead, who had experience of SARS, which had a far higher mortality rate.

Instead in the UK, we had government advisers, who think they know about science, ignoring the warnings that were coming from the few Public Health professionals left after the disastrous reforms of the health services under the Tories back in 2012. Public Health was felt to be a Cinderella service that could be foisted onto local authorities that the same government was starving of funding. Not a good recipe for dealing with the largest pandemic in 100 years!

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On 08/04/2020 at 07:13, MRSATAN said:

but they are NOT testing all deaths for corona are they?

if you havent been tested before death in anyway then they do not test post mortem which is why the german death rate looks so much better than most others

Every country records and measures differently - in itself a problem, and a reason we need international co-operation and pan-national organisations such as the WHO.

But we're hardly a shining example. Our daily headline numbers only seem to include hospital deaths. There are ONS weekly stats that record all deaths and I read recently in the FT I think that these suggest the true numbers here are up to 40% above the headline rate.

On Friday even that headline figure here was greater than the highest daily number Italy has ever reported (and they include any death where Covid 19 is recorded) it's pretty clear that we are on course to being the worst affected country in Europe. 

Now, rather than getting all defensive about that, maybe we could be a little more humble and accept that just maybe we could learn from others. And it does seem pretty clear to me that it's the countries that have taken testing seriously (as the WHO have been banging on about since January) that have managed this best. Most importantly, that's not about recriminations about the past, but about how we get out of this. And that surely has to be about testing who has the virus (not about who's already had it - which we seem strangely obsessed with), who they've had contact with, and targeted isolation based on that data. In the medium term (pre vaccines for billions of people) that's really the only alternative to either 12 months of lockdown or repeated huge peaks in deaths.

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16 hours ago, MRSATAN said:

Government bashing leftie you truly are, 

 

It's nothing to do with left and right. Our country is suffering a catastrophe.

We're looking at more deaths than our neighbours, a longer lock down and more economic damage. 

How bad do they need to be before you get fed up with them? 

 

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I’d describe the ‘effort’ of our ‘leaders’ to date, whether political or scientific, as complacent and cavalier. Frankly pathetic and the front line workers, particularly, have been well and truly stuffed by these pillocks. 

Don’t think they’re capable of raising their game, so put dear bonkers Boris and hopeless Hancock out to grass and find someone in the Conservative Party - or any bleeding Party come to think of it - who has common sense, leadership qualities, can ask the alleged ‘experts’ the right questions and make sound decisions. 

God help us, once this is over, if these ****wits are in charge of us leaving Europe. Had my suspicions about this lot and this debacle over the virus has confirmed them unfortunately. 

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On 12/04/2020 at 11:57, italian dave said:

but about how we get out of this. And that surely has to be about testing who has the virus (not about who's already had it - which we seem strangely obsessed with),

Your right,,,widespread testing/tracking works..(especially if the swabs used are reliable - the one's used currently in UK sadly are not.)

But don't dismiss the power of identifying those carrying antibody,as very high numbers are showing asymptomatic-they could be the key.

It's certain now that many times more have had and recovered from the virus than previously thought-ten times so is likely a conservative figure. 

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