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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Ok, so Government approach is to allow spirts to continue.

Very likely that EFL / PL going to defy government by taking their own stance.

What does this tell the government? Their behavioural science is mis-guided?  

On the contrary, I think this is their exact strategy.

Rather than take draconian measures themselves now, they 'nudge' decision makers to take it out of the government's hands for the greater good, and the rest of society takes that on board in their future decision making. There's an interesting article on the behavioural psychology behind it here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/keep-calm-and-wash-your-hands-britain-s-strategy-to-beat-virus

Let's just hope they're right.

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7 minutes ago, Stortz said:

On the contrary, I think this is their exact strategy.

Rather than take draconian measures themselves now, they 'nudge' decision makers to take it out of the government's hands for the greater good, and the rest of society takes that on board in their future decision making. There's an interesting article on the behavioural psychology behind it here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/keep-calm-and-wash-your-hands-britain-s-strategy-to-beat-virus

Let's just hope they're right.

Agree with you

They are attempting to slow the spread but also allow the spread - once people get immune to the virus they stop the chance of getting it in the future

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43 minutes ago, eardun said:

I can’t see the season restarting at all given we’re still 10-14 weeks from the peak. I reckon it will be ‘season abandoned’ as if it never happened. In that scenario, glad we’re not in the top 6! And glad we’re not Liverpool! 

I think exactly this.  They cannot award promotion and relegation based on current standings.  Imagine the legal cases by teams relegated!

Bit annoying as it means Villa get another year of PL funding. 

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6 minutes ago, phantom said:

Agree with you

They are attempting to slow the spread but also allow the spread - once people get immune to the virus they stop the chance of getting it in the future

In fairness, there's conflicting claims and evidence on this. Dunno if it's all that cut and dry in this case.

So far I should add- so far because there still seem to be a lot of unknowns, given it's new.

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2 minutes ago, Chivs said:

I think exactly this.  They cannot award promotion and relegation based on current standings.  Imagine the legal cases by teams relegated!

Bit annoying as it means Villa get another year of PL funding. 

On the other hand, if it's expunged Sky etc will want to claw cash back.

No idea how you can claw back something already spent...future payments?

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9 minutes ago, Stortz said:

On the contrary, I think this is their exact strategy.

Rather than take draconian measures themselves now, they 'nudge' decision makers to take it out of the government's hands for the greater good, and the rest of society takes that on board in their future decision making. There's an interesting article on the behavioural psychology behind it here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/keep-calm-and-wash-your-hands-britain-s-strategy-to-beat-virus

Let's just hope they're right.

As an extension to this, if you delay the closure of schools, shops, public events etc even by a small period of time you'll create a coming together of frustration and anger... and so when those measures are enforced the public will feel like they have influenced those enforcements and thus are far more likely to follow them.

There's definitely a method to what undoubtedly feels like a bit of madness!

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35 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

These really are extraordinary times. Sounds silly to say it but the suspension of football is weirdly unsettling. Nothing feels normal at the moment. Football is such a part of the fabric of our society, what on Earth are we going to talk about?!

If pubs were not feeling the pinch already this will surely tip some over the edge, personally I mostly visit my local to watch the sport as I don't have Sky or BT, can see a lot of bars being pretty empty on a wet Tuesday night with no footy or other sports on.

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2 minutes ago, pillred said:

If pubs were not feeling the pinch already this will surely tip some over the edge, personally I mostly visit my local to watch the sport as I don't have Sky or BT, can see a lot of bars being pretty empty on a wet Tuesday night with no footy or other sports on.

Or people go to pub to meet friends because there is no football etc to go watch

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Apparently 2 PL teams called for the league to be cancelled, I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say one is Villa.... the would sure be one of the relegated clubs or even Spurs perhaps if it meant same clubs going into Europe again.

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2 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

Re-align the football season with the calendar year

Playing football if we had near record high temperatures in the summer would be difficult not least it would require every country in europe doing so, imagine temperatures in Spain/Italy mid summer.

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16 minutes ago, The Journalist said:

As an extension to this, if you delay the closure of schools, shops, public events etc even by a small period of time you'll create a coming together of frustration and anger... and so when those measures are enforced the public will feel like they have influenced those enforcements and thus are far more likely to follow them.

There's definitely a method to what undoubtedly feels like a bit of madness!

They've also said if we go to soon with school closures it will immediately weaken NHS, care services etc as parents stay home to look after children. OR they go and stay with grandparents who are more at risk?

Also if we lockdown like Italy, people will get "bored" of it and revert back to normal behaviour too soon and right in the peak of the situation

 

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18 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

To be fair, there are two very different scientific approaches taking place at the moment.

Most of Europe seems to be trying to nip it in the bud in the short term and aiming to stop it before it takes hold.

Our government essentially appear to have conceded that it isn't something that can be nipped in the bud in the short-term - or at least not without causing a recurrence at a later point - and are essentially accepting it will become widespread and trying to manage that. I get the logic - especially around the idea that introducing measures too early will mean people cease follow them at crucial times - but I can also see why people feel the government is not doing enough. I believe the Chief Scientific Adviser and Chief Medical Officer are being sincere in the advice they give but can absolutely get why people look at the fact we are going in a completely different direction to the science elsewhere and feel a bit concerned and alarmed by that.

Hopefully our approach will prove to be the right one but it is impossible to be sure. And I think anyone choosing to work from home, minimise social contact and avoid crowds is doing a very sensible thing, irrespective of government advice. 

In France the authorities are trying to slow down the contamination rates so the peak is reached over a longer period therefore leaving the health services the availability to treat cases .

If too many cases are reported all at once the health services will not be able to cope. 
 

All schools and colleges are shut down .

Gatherings of over fifty people are banned.

Many civil servants are being obliged to work from home .

It seems to me like a huge overreaction but what do I know ? 

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34 minutes ago, cityexile said:

I know you like a bit of stats, and were discussing our approach...

Boris said yesterday we are 4 weeks behind Italy and he hopes 13 weeks from the peak. On current trends we are only 2 weeks behind Italy but putting that to one side, I think the Government is judging that other countries have gone 'too early' and still have much much further to go. If Italy carry on their current growth trends for a further 9 weeks...well, its a scary thought. The aim seems to be that however much we try, we are all likely to end up getting it sooner rather than later, so best we try and 'flatten the curve'.

Equally, there seems to a view that whilst shutting everything down will slow the thing, sooner or later the moment you relax, bam, it will be off and running again until we have built up some herd immunity (by basically enough of us having caught it). We clearly cannot shut down everything for ever.

I am not sure we have it right...buying time is really precious right now. It might be Italy slow it right down and it explodes there again next winter and by then we are much better positioned. Equally, if a vaccine has been developed we will look a bit careless, to put it mildly.

I think that is football done for this season either way. If the peak is 13 weeks away, and we are therefore curve wise back to where we are now in 26 weeks, no way are we in a better position three weeks away than we are now.

 

 

I've read this bit several times, but I'm damned if I can fathom it out. It must be me though in my advancing years, ?.

Reckon you'd make a brilliant politician!?

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think the cancellation of sporting events and non work / school gatherings are the correct thing to do, it will only be in the next 1-2 weeks that schools will also be shut, which means they have only a short period to cover with remote teaching before easter holidays, when people would already had to arrange child care.

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20 minutes ago, hodge said:

Or people go to pub to meet friends because there is no football etc to go watch

At least if it isn't "behind closed doors" you wont get what happened in europe this week where fans turned up in their thousands to hang around outside the ground! :facepalm:

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35 minutes ago, Stortz said:

On the contrary, I think this is their exact strategy.

Rather than take draconian measures themselves now, they 'nudge' decision makers to take it out of the government's hands for the greater good, and the rest of society takes that on board in their future decision making. There's an interesting article on the behavioural psychology behind it here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/keep-calm-and-wash-your-hands-britain-s-strategy-to-beat-virus

Let's just hope they're right.

So are we saying this could be a masterstroke by Boris?!

Haven't heard much about Rugby? They still being played?

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44 minutes ago, cityexile said:

I know you like a bit of stats, and were discussing our approach...

Boris said yesterday we are 4 weeks behind Italy and he hopes 13 weeks from the peak. On current trends we are only 2 weeks behind Italy but putting that to one side, I think the Government is judging that other countries have gone 'too early' and still have much much further to go. If Italy carry on their current growth trends for a further 9 weeks...well, its a scary thought. The aim seems to be that however much we try, we are all likely to end up getting it sooner rather than later, so best we try and 'flatten the curve'.

Equally, there seems to a view that whilst shutting everything down will slow the thing, sooner or later the moment you relax, bam, it will be off and running again until we have built up some herd immunity (by basically enough of us having caught it). We clearly cannot shut down everything for ever.

I am not sure we have it right...buying time is really precious right now. It might be Italy slow it right down and it explodes there again next winter and by then we are much better positioned. Equally, if a vaccine has been developed we will look a bit careless, to put it mildly.

I think that is football done for this season either way. If the peak is 13 weeks away, and we are therefore curve wise back to where we are now in 26 weeks, no way are we in a better position three weeks away than we are now.

 

 

 

This is going to set the world economy back ten years .

I heard that the Chinese government is to blame because they allowed the selling and eating of wild animals in their markets.

The Chinese should compensate the world . 
 

Cynical ******** who drive the killing of rhinos and tigers so that they can get a stiffy , haven’t they heard of Viagra ? 

:grr:

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1 hour ago, Show Me The Money! said:

Be surprised if there are anymore games this season.

Be interesting what the implications of that would be on next season. Do we just start the season all over again?

My disappointment of missing out on the playoffs would be wiped out by the enjoyment of watching all the local ‘plastic’ Liverpool fans crying into their beer ?

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27 minutes ago, Chivs said:

I think exactly this.  They cannot award promotion and relegation based on current standings.  Imagine the legal cases by teams relegated!

Bit annoying as it means Villa get another year of PL funding. 

Or by the teams looking likely to get promoted? Especially to the pay-day that is the premier league.

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4 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

They've also said if we go to soon with school closures it will immediately weaken NHS, care services etc as parents stay home to look after children. OR they go and stay with grandparents who are more at risk?

Also if we lockdown like Italy, people will get "bored" of it and revert back to normal behaviour too soon and right in the peak of the situation

 

All good points.

I likened it to the first day of a Test match when you're trying to gauge how good the light is and whether the players should go off or stay on. You need to keep it safe and sensible, but if you call it quits too early you set a low bar for the rest of the match. You then risk having to keep the players off when the light isn't actually that bad and causing future problems.

What I'm trying to say, with that admittedly terrible analogy, is if we go into lockdown at the current rate of cases we may have to remain in that state for months on end. That'll lead to businesses going bust, to unemployment, to homelessness etc. That sounds extreme but it's what we're faced with further down the line if we just pull the trigger straight away.

I'm by no means suggesting I know what is right and wrong, but I don't think it's as cut and dried as many suggest in terms of just going into some kind of immediate lockdown.

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53 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

How does the song go..?  'ave you ever seen Liverpool win the league. 'ave you ever seen Liperpool win the league?

'ave you ever seen Liverpool, ever seen Liverpool, ever seen Liverpool win the league?

'ave you ****!

You do realise football existed in this country before 1992, right.....?

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