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42 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Could but wont, why should our figures be worse than China that has 25 times our population you should stop with the scaremongering as it isn't doing anyone any good, most of us are doing all we can (I said most) we don't need all the pessimism, give it a rest your preaching to the mostly converted apart from completely giving up on life there is little more most of us can do.

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6 hours ago, wood_red said:

Do we have enough kits to test everyone?

If not, where do we get them all from?

Do you want us to test every person within the UK?

If so when, where and how many staff are required to test everyone safely?

I have had a bad cough for a week, but no temperature, so I may well have it but with milder symptoms - where would I go in the queue for testing? Is it safe for me to go and get tested? 

 

 

Exactly. Im 35, not in any danger age and don't have any underlying health concerns. If I do develop a cough/fever, the last thing I would want to do if hop on over to my local hospital or gp to get tested. To potentially infect others? Erm no, I will self isolate. 

Anyway this country is looking ****** as it stands. And not because of anything Boris has or has not done imo. Its the idiots that are so brain dead they do not understand the gravity of the situation. Its so sad to think that this country will have to impose literal martial law because there are idiots out there that don't give a damn or are to stupid to understand that this isn't some stupid little virus. 

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1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said:

I hope I get a bloody knighthood after all this has passed,Sir Joe Jordan’s teeth has a ring to it 

What will happen is they will say thanks, then either do 1 of 3 things. Make us unemployed as the economy is screwed,  reduce our salary because the economy is screwed or keep us under austerity measures that we have been under for years because the economy is screwed.. But that's okay  because you can sit in a crowded un sanitised office making sure people get paid and get their pensions or research Grant's while they buy up all the food while you are at work or dont take any of it seriously.

 

I have got to say I am getting pretty pissed off with some of the behaviour I am seeing

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8 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Exactly. Im 35, not in any danger age and don't have any underlying health concerns. If I do develop a cough/fever, the last thing I would want to do if hop on over to my local hospital or gp to get tested. To potentially infect others? Erm no, I will self isolate. 

Anyway this country is looking ****** as it stands. And not because of anything Boris has or has not done imo. Its the idiots that are so brain dead they do not understand the gravity of the situation. Its so sad to think that this country will have to impose literal martial law because there are idiots out there that don't give a damn or are to stupid to understand that this isn't some stupid little virus. 

I’m afraid it’s the culture of the benifits system and that’s a government fault by both parties,I know people who haven’t worked a day in their life and will never do because it’s cushty who have popped down Devon because it’s cheap as hell now 

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2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

I’m afraid it’s the culture of the benifits system and that’s a government fault by both parties,I know people who haven’t worked a day in their life and will never do because it’s cushty who have popped down Devon because it’s cheap as hell now 

Really don't get that. I was out of work about 9 years ago for a month because I was made redundant and the jobcentre was a living hell. Made me feel tiny and like I was worthless. And that was just the person I had to see that made me feel like that. 

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9 minutes ago, TRL said:

What will happen is they will say thanks, then either do 1 of 3 things. Make us unemployed as the economy is screwed,  reduce our salary because the economy is screwed or keep us under austerity measures that we have been under for years because the economy is screwed.. But that's okay  because you can sit in a crowded un sanitised office making sure people get paid and get their pensions or research Grant's while they buy up all the food while you are at work or dont take any of it seriously.

 

I have got to say I am getting pretty pissed off with some of the behaviour I am seeing

F it,I’m ringing the boss tomorrow and saying I got the symptoms (I won’t because I’m not a arsehole)

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2 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Really don't get that. I was out of work about 9 years ago for a month because I was made redundant and the jobcentre was a living hell. Made me feel tiny and like I was worthless. And that was just the person I had to see that made me feel like that. 

That’s because your a working man and lucky for me I have never been made redundant so far but I would feel the same as you did but if you have never worked and don’t want to then they don’t get that feeling 

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10 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Quick question for any experts on this. Thinking IIRC @SX227 and @Dr Balls especially appear to know their stuff. 

How does this compare to the Spanish flu- any ideas? 1918-1919 in the main- should we treat it as seriously- as lethal?

Quick answer - 'Spanish Flu' was believed to originate in Texas from WW1 vets  - of hispanic origin.

Healthcare was non-existent as the war crippled millions upon millions of troops and civillians - anti-biotics were just being invented.

Spanish Flu killed between 50 - 100 million worldwide

As with COViD 19 - the figures here will be vague - did the old lady die from the virus or her 25 yrs of asthma damage?

Unless tested you'll never know, and we don't have enough kits for the living let alone the dead.

In Western Europe - the answer is simply - no.

There is enough healthcare to limit the damage - but 250,000 dead would not be unexpected at the end.

USA will be lethal for the uninsured and highly populated poor countries like India and Pakistan, African nations will be decimated.

I would honestly expect the toll in those countries to be in the millions by the end - but again, we will never know for sure.

3rd world, poor Islamic countries will be the worst as they simply will not adhere to any kind of instruction if it involves Allah.

Iran probably has 100,000 dead (again we will never know, but videos and satellite imagery shows over-flowing morgues and vast areas of pits and piles of lime......) - but again, led by the lunatic Imans Iranians have attacked and overpowered security and massed at religions sites to kiss icons one after the other in their thousands.

It's suicide frankly, but thats religion for you.

So, overall I'd say 'Western' level healthcare countries with strong social control over the population movement will do the best (although look at you guys in the pubs, and us Australians having to put armed troops on beaches to stop the ####### idiots massing in the thousands)

Next level - USA

Then semi-developed nations like Mexico,Georgia,Thailand 

Bottom of the pile - as I said above, poor countries that put religion above health care.  The death toll WILL be in the millions by the end in those places.

 

For the Wealthy west, after the virus, prepare for the worst poverty since WW2.

 

 

We have now have had to put armed Police in Supermarkets as workers have been stabbed and assaulted, and pensioners bashed in the car parks.

Some f uckwit stole all boxes of sanitiser and 90% of our high-protection masks from Theatre/ICU stores yesterday.

I am currently working using the same mask with sanitary menstrual pads changed every case.

I'm not a real fan of people at the moment - this is really bringing out the worst in some. One of our nurses was bashed unconcious because she wouldn't let someone with a cough and temp into ICU before staff and security could get to her.

24 years old, probably infected and sick herself, and now needs plates and screws to put her face back together, before her missing teeth can be put back.

Trying to help people.

I honestly despair at society today.

Sorry - I'm tired and pissed off.

I'm back again working tonight, but I can say that we do appear to have slowed the virus here (just slowed it) - but if our PM grew a pair and implemented full lockdown for 6-8 weeks, we could actually stop it.  

I have little confidence he will.

I need sleep. I'll answer anymore questions when I get some time (if anyone cares!)

 

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7 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

That’s because your a working man and lucky for me I have never been made redundant so far but I would feel the same as you did but if you have never worked and don’t want to then they don’t get that feeling 

It wasn't just my own sense of pride. The guy literally made me feel like garbage from the start. And I hate to run through hoops for the tiny amount I was getting for the few weeks I was looking for a job. It was insane, and nothing I will put myself through again. 

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31 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Exactly. Im 35, not in any danger age and don't have any underlying health concerns. If I do develop a cough/fever, the last thing I would want to do if hop on over to my local hospital or gp to get tested. To potentially infect others? Erm no, I will self isolate. 

 

You wouldn't hop over to your GP anyway. If you have the symptoms use the NHS 111 website to self-report or ring 111 and they decide whether you need to be tested or indeed need any specialist treatment.

TBH if I was in that situation I'd be keen to know, as if I was ruled out  I wouldn't have to isolate from others in the household and I'd know I still had no antibodies for Covid-19. If I was tested positive, I could warn the people I'd been in contact with and the places I'd been in the last 14 days.

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4 minutes ago, SX227 said:

Quick answer - 'Spanish Flu' was believed to originate in Texas from WW1 vets  - of hispanic origin.

Healthcare was non-existent as the war crippled millions upon millions of troops and civillians - anti-biotics were just being invented.

Spanish Flu killed between 50 - 100 million worldwide

As with COViD 19 - the figures here will be vague - did the old lady die from the virus or her 25 yrs of asthma damage?

Unless tested you'll never know, and we don't have enough kits for the living let alone the dead.

In Western Europe - the answer is simply - no.

There is enough healthcare to limit the damage - but 250,000 dead would not be unexpected at the end.

USA will be lethal for the uninsured and highly populated poor countries like India and Pakistan, African nations will be decimated.

I would honestly expect the toll in those countries to be in the millions by the end - but again, we will never know for sure.

3rd world, poor Islamic countries will be the worst as they simply will not adhere to any kind of instruction if it involves Allah.

Iran probably has 100,000 dead (again we will never know, but videos and satellite imagery shows over-flowing morgues and vast areas of pits and piles of lime......) - but again, led by the lunatic Imans Iranians have attacked and overpowered security and massed at religions sites to kiss icons one after the other in their thousands.

It's suicide frankly, but thats religion for you.

So, overall I'd say 'Western' level healthcare countries with strong social control over the population movement will do the best (although look at you guys in the pubs, and us Australians having to put armed troops on beaches to stop the ####### idiots massing in the thousands)

Next level - USA

Then semi-developed nations like Mexico,Georgia,Thailand 

Bottom of the pile - as I said above, poor countries that put religion above health care.  The death toll WILL be in the millions by the end in those places.

 

For the Wealthy west, after the virus, prepare for the worst poverty since WW2.

 

 

We have now have had to put armed Police in Supermarkets as workers have been stabbed and assaulted, and pensioners bashed in the car parks.

Some f uckwit stole all boxes of sanitiser and 90% of our high-protection masks from Theatre/ICU stores yesterday.

I am currently working using the same mask with sanitary menstrual pads changed every case.

I'm not a real fan of people at the moment - this is really bringing out the worst in some. One of our nurses was bashed unconcious because she wouldn't let someone with a cough and temp into ICU before staff and security could get to her.

24 years old, probably infected and sick herself, and now needs plates and screws to put her face back together, before her missing teeth can be put back.

Trying to help people.

I honestly despair at society today.

Sorry - I'm tired and pissed off.

I'm back again working tonight, but I can say that we do appear to have slowed the virus here (just slowed it) - but if our PM grew a pair and implemented full lockdown for 6-8 weeks, we could actually stop it.  

I have little confidence he will.

I need sleep. I'll answer anymore questions when I get some time (if anyone cares!)

 

Take care of yourself and keep up the good work which is much appreciated by normal folk

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6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

You wouldn't hop over to your GP anyway. If you have the symptoms used the NHS 111 website to self-report or ring 111 and they decide whether you need to be tested or indeed need any specialist treatment.

TBH if I was in that situation I'd be keen to know, as if I was ruled out  I wouldn't have to isolate from others in the household and I'd know I still had no antibodies for Covid-19. If I was tested positive, I could warn the people I'd been in contact with and the places I'd been in the last 14 days.

But how would I be tested? Would they come to me?

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7 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

You wouldn't hop over to your GP anyway. If you have the symptoms used the NHS 111 website to self-report or ring 111 and they decide whether you need to be tested or indeed need any specialist treatment.

TBH if I was in that situation I'd be keen to know, as if I was ruled out  I wouldn't have to isolate from others in the household and I'd know I still had no antibodies for Covid-19. If I was tested positive, I could warn the people I'd been in contact with and the places I'd been in the last 14 days.

If I had a fever and cough I would self isolate and warn others regardless of knowing for definite or not. Id assume its the worst. I certainly wouldn't want to have others near me to test me just in case. 

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2 minutes ago, Atticus said:

But how would I be tested? Would they come to me?

They do. I think another option is self-test kits that are being rolled out, but only for people who definitely seem as though they are likely to have it.

Of course, at present, we're still upping our capacity to test, but when we get  25K tests a day capacity - and if you were really unwell - they'd likely get to you.

Right now, I expect they'd probably tell you to isolate within your house and contact again if you deteriorated. 

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8 minutes ago, Atticus said:

It wasn't just my own sense of pride. The guy literally made me feel like garbage from the start. And I hate to run through hoops for the tiny amount I was getting for the few weeks I was looking for a job. It was insane, and nothing I will put myself through again. 

I was the same as you 35 years of continuous employment through no fault of my own was made redundant, made to jump through hoops for £65 a week job seekers allowance (it was 10 years ago) when I think of the lazy Bast***s that had made a lifestyle choice to never work a day in their lives and lived a comfortable life with all their rent paid and 50 inch flat screen TVs ( I know because I had to wake some of them up at 10 o clock to fit their new balconies was the point I lost all faith in the system.

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3 minutes ago, bcfcfinker said:

Yep. Im just amazed at the amounts of selfish pricks out there. Flouting the advice and stockpiling like crazy. Its depressing how many dumb idiots are in this country. The sad thing is, the people that are screwed over are the people that are sensible. 

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1 hour ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Too late and if we had double or treble the capacity, we’d still get overwhelmed.  No matter who we had in government for the last 20 years, we would still be under prepared for this.

Political point scoring and claiming to know more than the scientific advisors is just postulating on a forum at this time.

We are in the shit, we would have been in the shit if Labour had won the election, if the Lib Dem’s or anyone else had won it.  When you see the amounts of people today at the beach, Snowdonia and many other places, maybe nature is right to have a clear out......

Why did the government bother to plan at all or shut down the country if we were in the shit anyway? This is what your argument sounds like to me. To be fair it’s not far off the governments original strategy. Reacting  quicker = saving thousands.

Also by the way the people who will die from the virus won’t just be those who ignored the governments flimsy advice. It will be front line workers and their families, so it isn’t nature having a clear out of the stupid. 

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3 minutes ago, pillred said:

I was the same as you 35 years of continuous employment through no fault of my own was made redundant, made to jump through hoops for £65 a week job seekers allowance (it was 10 years ago) when I think of the lazy Bast***s that had made a lifestyle choice to never work a day in their lives and lived a comfortable life with all their rent paid and 50 inch flat screen TVs ( I know because I had to wake some of them up at 10 o clock to fit their new balconies was the point I lost all faith in the system.

Yep. If im made redundant again, the last place il ever go is the jobcentre. This is why I don't get how deadbeat bums can sponge off the benefit system. When I was made to feel like a total social pariah and had to jump through insane hoops to get my £60 for 4 weeks, how are some living off it and not having it revoked?!?!

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6 minutes ago, bcfcfinker said:

I heard someone mention buying kitchen roll the other week I instantly thought of “fatbergs” in London. 

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16 minutes ago, pillred said:

I was the same as you 35 years of continuous employment through no fault of my own was made redundant, made to jump through hoops for £65 a week job seekers allowance (it was 10 years ago) when I think of the lazy Bast***s that had made a lifestyle choice to never work a day in their lives and lived a comfortable life with all their rent paid and 50 inch flat screen TVs ( I know because I had to wake some of them up at 10 o clock to fit their new balconies was the point I lost all faith in the system.

 

13 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Yep. If im made redundant again, the last place il ever go is the jobcentre. This is why I don't get how deadbeat bums can sponge off the benefit system. When I was made to feel like a total social pariah and had to jump through insane hoops to get my £60 for 4 weeks, how are some living off it and not having it revoked?!?!

But wouldn’t you both rather the system was still generous and not punitive? That losing a job meant you had the security to either re-train or properly look for a new job without the financial anxiety? That’s how the system works in other countries still. There’s better ways to incentivise people to find work. It’s not like they were ever that generous unless you factored in social housing and child benefits. 


Not to mention the disabled people this government have killed through pip assessments. I don’t even know how anyone can claim UC right now considering you have to go for a face to face interview. 

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6 minutes ago, Odysseus said:

 

But wouldn’t you both rather the system was still generous and not punitive? That losing a job meant you had the security to either re-train or properly look for a new job without the financial anxiety? That’s how the system works in other countries still. There’s better ways to incentivise people to find work. It’s not like they were ever that generous unless you factored in social housing and child benefits. 


Not to mention the disabled people this government have killed through pip assessments. I don’t even know how anyone can claim UC right now considering you have to go for a face to face interview. 

I would like a system where people that have lost their job, were treated respectfully. The benefit system should absolutely be there for people that have been made redundant and have fallen on hard times. Unfortunately there is this nasty stigma attached to it, from people abusing that system. 

That stigma appears to have reached the jobcentre and the employees themselves. 

The system needs to be harsher on people that clearly don't have any intention on finding a job, and kinder towards those that have lost theirs. That was not my experience. I was brushed with the same brush as someone that's never had a job in his life. 

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22 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Yep. Im just amazed at the amounts of selfish pricks out there. Flouting the advice and stockpiling like crazy. Its depressing how many dumb idiots are in this country. The sad thing is, the people that are screwed over are the people that are sensible. 

No better time to bring up flagpole sitta lyrics “been around the world to find that only stupid people are breeding,the cretins cloning and feeding”

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And yet pretty much the only country we'll have gone into lockdown later than (after 10 days of first death) will be Italy.... Claims of how important it is yet pubs/restaurants only stopped yesterday everything else still advisory until last couple of days allowing people to still go ie gyms etc. Warn people all you want but while they're still 'allowed' to go about their normal routine a number of people still will regardless of how it effects others.

 

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4 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

No better time to bring up flagpole sitta lyrics “been around the world to find that only stupid people are breeding,the cretins cloning and feeding”

 

Also note that if you're "not sick" but you're "not well", you should definitely self-isolate.  

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Just think of the poor sods that work on the checkout on supermarkets. I work in care, so I cant work from home and my pay is rubbish. But the people that work in the supermarkets are exposed to hundreds/thousands of people per day. For not a great wage. Potentially putting themselves and their loved ones at risk. While people much better paid get to work from home, or get their salary of up to £2,500 a month paid for being home. Its so lop sided its sad. 

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1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said:

I’m afraid it’s the culture of the benifits system and that’s a government fault by both parties,I know people who haven’t worked a day in their life and will never do because it’s cushty who have popped down Devon because it’s cheap as hell now 

**** me these people must be incredibly intelligent. where are they off to for the summer, Bigbury ,Prawl point Salcome. ?

Maybe not probably can only afford Dawlish.

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17 hours ago, walnutroof said:

Could be slightly encouraging news

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15 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

So despite Italy being two weeks ahead of us we learnt nothing in those two weeks and are now tracking them. Great

The one statistic I have bought into from the start is that approximately 60% of the world's population will probably contract a mild to fatal covid 19. Nothing we do will change that approximate percentage. You will likely see a world average of around 0.5% dying which is five times that of flu. Long way to go but these are my informed estimates based on the past, what we know and what I am reading and watching in informed quarters, i hasten to add, and not in the highly politicised arena.

6 hours ago, Sweeneys Penalties said:

and if the Toilet Roll shortage keeps going, I'll be popping down Tesco for a dump

As others have said perhaps it is time, after all of this, to invest in washing with a B day or an adapted toilet. I have been doing it for 30 years. I love a good blast and feel nice and clean afterwards :) 

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