The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

[MarcusX]

8 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Takeaways weren't under any obligation to close.

Merkel - vaccine for what ? We missing out on something here ?

Ah didn’t realise that and hadn’t read the other replies. should have known actually as someone brought a McDonald’s into work yesterday!

Pneumococcal Vaccine apparently, for bacterial pneumonia. Quite common for over 60s in Germany (read this on reddit)

 

[Roger Red Hat]

5 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Appalling? Pull your liberal head out your lady parts. It’s better than ours in a lot of ways.

 

What a ridiculous statement.

[Fpcity]

8 minutes ago, BanburyRed said:

Sorry if this has been discussed in earlier posts but why is Italy the European spike of COVID-19 deaths?  Nearly 5,500 fatalities in global total of 13,000....50% more than China.

They have quite a large old population don't they? Plus lots of tightly packed streets 

[bcfc01]

10 minutes ago, BanburyRed said:

Sorry if this has been discussed in earlier posts but why is Italy the European spike of COVID-19 deaths?  Nearly 5,500 fatalities in global total of 13,000....50% more than China.

This has an impact;

https://www.rebellionresearch.com/blog/northern-italy-wuhan-partners-for-better-or-worse

Chinese new year would have had flights full going to Wuhan and back.

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by bcfc01

[The Coach]

2 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

What a ridiculous statement.

In the US. I can get an mri tomorrow 

You would have to wait 12-16 weeks in the UK.

I get injured tomorrow, I can immediately get into see a surgeon and get scheduled.

Current wait time for orthopedic surgery in the UK is 4-6 months

We have zero access to things like HRT & TRT. Our govt won’t financially support things like that

It’s 3-4 week wait to see a freaking regular doctor in this country. 
 

Not so ridiculous...

 

 

[BanburyRed]

4 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

They have quite a large old population don't they? Plus lots of tightly packed streets 

I did think that the aged population might be a reason.  And not so sure Italy has the best infrastructure behind the scenes.

[MarcusX]

2 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Appalling? Pull your liberal head out your lady parts. It’s better than ours in a lot of ways.

 

It might be ok if you have insurance, I can’t get my head around having a complete accident and leaving hospital with a 6 figure bill. Health care based on financial standing is awful.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/563519/

 

 

[MarcusX]

6 minutes ago, Redpool said:

In the US. I can get an mri tomorrow 

You would have to wait 12-16 weeks in the UK.

I get injured tomorrow, I can immediately get into see a surgeon and get scheduled.

Current wait time for orthopedic surgery in the UK is 4-6 months

We have zero access to things like HRT & TRT. Our govt won’t financially support things like that

It’s 3-4 week wait to see a freaking regular doctor in this country. 
 

Not so ridiculous...

 

 

You could get an MRI pretty quick with private health cover - which is effectively what Americans have?

[The Coach]

4 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

It might be ok if you have insurance, I can’t get my head around having a complete accident and leaving hospital with a 6 figure bill. Health care based on financial standing is awful.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/563519/

 

 

Obamacare left those on the lower financial standing even worse.

Its quite funny how we say we hope to never have a healthcare system like the US. They say the exact same about us. Funny old world 

[Bristol Rob]

16 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Ah didn’t realise that and hadn’t read the other replies. should have known actually as someone brought a McDonald’s into work yesterday!

Pneumococcal Vaccine apparently, for bacterial pneumonia. Quite common for over 60s in Germany (read this on reddit)

 

Just read the McDonalds story elsewhere, turns out that the drive through thing is still too intrusive for staff, so they can't be distant enough.

 

[One Team]

23 minutes ago, BanburyRed said:

Sorry if this has been discussed in earlier posts but why is Italy the European spike of COVID-19 deaths?  Nearly 5,500 fatalities (10% of their total no of confirmed cases thus far) in global total of 13,000 fatalities....50% more than China.

They have the highest aged population in Europe and the second highest in the world, after Japan.

Unfortunately this is a numbers game and the virus impacts the elderly more than any other demographic.

[One Team]

38 minutes ago, Bobby Bollax said:

The behaviour by people at Tesco Brislington this morning during the NHS hour was completely shameful.

Ive lost a lot of respect for my fellow Bristolians these past few days. Gutted

Shameful.

What a story for Bristol to be put on the map for. I bet none of them even care though. 

[Nibor]

24 minutes ago, Redpool said:

In the US. I can get an mri tomorrow 

You would have to wait 12-16 weeks in the UK.

I get injured tomorrow, I can immediately get into see a surgeon and get scheduled.

Current wait time for orthopedic surgery in the UK is 4-6 months

We have zero access to things like HRT & TRT. Our govt won’t financially support things like that

It’s 3-4 week wait to see a freaking regular doctor in this country. 
 

Not so ridiculous...

 

 

In the UK you can have private healthcare and get access to things quickly if you have the money, just the same as the US.

The difference is that if you don't have the money you aren't given a choice limited to death or bankruptcy, you can actually get treated for free without having to ruin your entire family's future.

You get emergency care immediately with no bill.

[Odysseus]

17 minutes ago, Redpool said:

Obamacare left those on the lower financial standing even worse.

Its quite funny how we say we hope to never have a healthcare system like the US. They say the exact same about us. Funny old world 

Any American I’ve met in this county begs to differ and are amazed no matter who you are you get live saving treatment for free. I’d rather have that for the many than the inconvenience of having to wait weeks longer for an MRI. The problem with our current health system is due to Tory underfunding and staff shortages. 

[Jerseybean]

Pretty sobering listen - NHS doctor’s take on people’s behaviours. 

[Taz]

23 minutes ago, One Team said:

Shameful.

What a story for Bristol to be put on the map for. I bet none of them even care though. 

Not just in Bristol. At least one report I've seen here in Essex saying similar around here.

People are the biggest problem with all of this. Boris isn't doing enough, it needs enforcing, not advising. People are the biggest issue though, selfish, obnoxious, pig ignorant lady gardens. The sooner we're on lockdown the better. 

[And Its Smith]

50 minutes ago, Redpool said:

In the US. I can get an mri tomorrow 

You would have to wait 12-16 weeks in the UK.

I get injured tomorrow, I can immediately get into see a surgeon and get scheduled.

Current wait time for orthopedic surgery in the UK is 4-6 months

We have zero access to things like HRT & TRT. Our govt won’t financially support things like that

It’s 3-4 week wait to see a freaking regular doctor in this country. 
 

Not so ridiculous...

 

 

Can’t tell if this a windup or not...

[Kid in the Riot]

44 minutes ago, Redpool said:

In the US. I can get an mri tomorrow 

You would have to wait 12-16 weeks in the UK.

I get injured tomorrow, I can immediately get into see a surgeon and get scheduled.

Current wait time for orthopedic surgery in the UK is 4-6 months

We have zero access to things like HRT & TRT. Our govt won’t financially support things like that

It’s 3-4 week wait to see a freaking regular doctor in this country. 
 

Not so ridiculous...

The citizens of this country also have the option to pay for healthcare if they so wish, securing most of what you refer to above. 

The difference is the most vulnerable in society get screwed by the system you describe.

The NHS is the envy of most Americans I've spoken to, granted they are progressive New Yorkers or Californians. You've presumably only ever discussed it with people that are equally as narrow-minded and thick as you are.

[mozo]

4 hours ago, gl1 said:

Can we just cancel 2020 now. I’ve had enough.

Here is mine so far...

January 3rd - brother diagnosed out of blue of having 3 aggressive brain cancers and has ‘short months’ to live

January 10th - paralysed down his right side he is discharged from hospital to die, where he lives with his girlfriend and our 90 year old mother 

January 20th - take over my mothers pension and bank account as brother is paralysed to find out they have extracted and spent over £50000 of her savings. I have no idea what is was spent on and they are not saying

January 22nd - I predict to my partner that now the raping of my mothers finance has stopped, so will her care so and mother will be dead in 6 months. Try to get her extra care, social services not interested

 

Feb 25th Get a call from brothers sister that mother had taken a fall and had been rushed into hospital

Feb 27th mother dies with fractured skull from the fall. Coroner refuses to release body for funeral as the body needs to go to autopsy due to ‘unusual  injuries’

March 9th  autopsy completed, cause of death obvious, how it happened open to interpretation. No further action taken

March 13th. Finally received death certificate and funeral booked for March 24th

March 19th funeral postponed due to corona virus

 

anyone able to ‘beat this’?

 

 

If life was fair you're due a year where the most unbelievable good fortune comes your way 

[One Team]

I miss Brexit!

Life was so much simpler then....

[BanburyRed]

21 minutes ago, Taz said:

Not just in Bristol. At least one report I've seen here in Essex saying similar around here.

People are the biggest problem with all of this. Boris isn't doing enough, it needs enforcing, not advising. People are the biggest issue though, selfish, obnoxious, pig ignorant lady gardens. The sooner we're on lockdown the better. 

Similar in West Midlands, reported tonight that Tesco Metro in Dudley (of all places), large queues built up with NHS staff for 9am shopping, doors opened and there was a mad rush, many if not all NHS didn't get in and if they did, shelves stripped bare within minutes. Selfish selfish ****s.

[reddoh]

9 minutes ago, One Team said:

I miss Brexit!

Life was so much simpler then....

I miss my parents it was their problem then.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Redpool said:

In the US. I can get an mri tomorrow 

You would have to wait 12-16 weeks in the UK. - absolutely untrue, I went in for suspected prostate cancer, I had the exam and was booked in for an MRI 2 hours later

I get injured tomorrow, I can immediately get into see a surgeon and get scheduled. - you are being shy with what injury you are talking about

Current wait time for orthopedic surgery in the UK is 4-6 months - again you are generalising

We have zero access to things like HRT & TRT. Our govt won’t financially support things like that - HRT as in Hormone Replacement Therapy - this is a standard option for the ladies of a certain age is it not? Or are you using some other acronym?

It’s 3-4 week wait to see a freaking regular doctor in this country. - I suspect that your doctor knows you have a low opinion of him/her and is probably ****ing you about
 

Not so ridiculous... - ummmm, I think you are being ridiculous.

 

 

I've commented on some of your points.

You are right to a point about the American system to a point. What you forgot to mentions is this:
How much money you have to have to get this level of service or if you have the 'right' insurance.
If you have don't have the money or the insurance, you're ****ed.

You'd have been better off comparing the NHS to the European health care systems such as France or Germany (I know little about the others... I'm led to believe that some of the other healthcare systems can be a little hit and miss). In my view, the French and German services are superior to the NHS.

The NHS is a socialised health care system (it is not free as some like to think, it's paid for by taxation) so it's not perfect, it is abused, but on the whole it is good - you won't be billed at point of delivery and you will not have to claim anything back from an insurance provider.

If you are not satisfied with the this 'free' service, then you either pay or get health insurance (BUPA, AXA PPP, Cigna etc.).

And for the record, I'm no labour or Lib Dem supporter and definitely not far left or right - shouldn't take too much of a genius to work that one out.

Edited March 22, 2020 by bcfcfinker

[Robin-hugh-blind]

1 hour ago, Odysseus said:

Any American I’ve met in this county begs to differ and are amazed no matter who you are you get live saving treatment for free. I’d rather have that for the many than the inconvenience of having to wait weeks longer for an MRI. The problem with our current health system is due to Tory underfunding and staff shortages. 

Sorry I fell asleep at the end there lefty 

 

Jog on with the point scoring in a crisis. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

9 hours ago, RedM said:

I understand you. Over here Food retail workers are being told its your duty to feed the nation and being bullied into doing extra shifts, all whist the tills are ringing £££’s. 

Some employers are less than responsible- yet in the example you provide I struggle to see much of a short to medium term solution.

Some of your ideas could mitigate it but in the short to medium term, I'm not sure we could just close supermarkets...they should like doctors and nurses and the rest at the NHS get the best possible safety conditions (within the context) in which to work.

Talking of irresponsible employers, a mate- even after Boris said what he said on Monday evening, told me that they still had their office staff in on Thursday. Unsure office staff are necessary?

Edited March 23, 2020 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 hours ago, Cider_boy said:

Sorry to link to the post but

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/shoppers-stormed-bristol-tesco-during-3972913

all rather sad if we need to start putting the police (or army) on supermarket doors.

 

Not quite sure it's that far yet but...

Hire idle football stewards and SIA types...they'd soon eject a few.

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said:

I’m not sure why we aren’t locked down, there maybe some sound reason and I wouldn’t pretend to know if that is right or wrong.

The one thing I wonder is what will the penalty be for breaking it, if lockdown is introduced.  The police won’t be able to cope, the prisons are full, the justice system will be slowing down, so what action could they take...... apart from shooting transgressors?

In Italy, 40,000 people have been fined/prosecuted in terms of the transgression- AFAIK, shots fired- zero. Granted they maybe would've been arrested at gunpoint.

Your views are somewhat interesting...hard to place but a common theme crops up every now and then in your posts.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

Those nasty, pesky German ultras eh...

(Granted there's a lot wrong with ultras too).

[Mr Popodopolous]

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Edited March 23, 2020 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

On 16/03/2020 at 23:19, Robin-hugh-blind said:

Since this thread has gone so far off topic, may as well add this to the mix.

Anyone got any looting plans prepared? I always thought a supermarket would be best in these circumstances but unless your after spam there's little point. Macdonald's gotta have some stock.

What's your angle...