daored Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: You can drop children to each other’s house. That’s allowed in the guidelines. Michael Gove just said cant move children between parents, it isn’t in the guidelines! Edited March 24, 2020 by daored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 Pictures of tubes in London .... rammed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, daored said: Michael Gove just said cant move children between parents, it isn’t in the guidelines! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: He was challenged on the guidance and advised its not on there!! It’s extremely unclear what is and what isn’t allowed on many fronts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, daored said: He was challenged on the guidance and advised its not on there!! It’s extremely unclear what is and what isn’t allowed on many fronts Crazy isn’t it. More likely he is wrong I guess as lots saying it’s on there and there is Official looking text to back that up. I don’t think the guidelines are strong enough and police have no powers it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fpcity Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, daored said: He was challenged on the guidance and advised its not on there!! It’s extremely unclear what is and what isn’t allowed on many fronts Very unclear. Will be a total lockdown by Friday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S25loyal Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, paul_fox said: Very unclear. Will be a total lockdown by Friday None of it is unclear if you actually read the government docs on the gov.uk website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 50 minutes ago, Stedge said: According to BBC website, moving children under 18 between parents homes is included in the allowed measures. Coronavirus: UK wakes to strict new curbs on life https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52014472 Michael Gove just said the opposite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 4 hours ago, havanatopia said: He is right about a few of those remarks. Just not PC is it. What a shame. Ignoring the fact, that this has absolutely nothing to do with being PC or not, what do you think he is right on? Recapping on what @And Its Smith said: "Trump talking about virus in past tense. Says normal flu kills more people. Says economy is back. Moving on. More people will commit suicide if economy is bad than will die from covid. USA wasn’t built to be shut down apparently. " 1) The virus is increasing in America (and indeed the world). It is not in the past tense. 2) It has killed more people over time because this is a new disease but the evidence so far suggests this is both more contagious and has a higher mortality rate over time. Normal flu has killed more people as it has had more time to do so. This is more deadly than flu. 3) Some analysts believe the US stock market might recover if a recovery package is announced and there are a few early signs of reasons for positivity after one of the biggest stock market crashes in history but the economy is in no way "back". 4) You can't really say the economy is moving on at this point. 5) It is likely an economic crash will cause suicides. It is far from clear how many people will die from COVID-19 at the moment but fivethirtyeight found the average consensus amongst epedemiologists was 200, 000 US deaths. It is hard to know how that will compare with the suicide rate. 6) The US is not an exception here. No country was built to be shut down but it not clear how the US could cope with an overwhelmed health service if they do not enact these measures. So where do you actually think he is right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 12 hours ago, pillred said: It's advisory surely? Surely it’s quite clear by now this ISNT advisory, its government orders. You play with your own health by all means but if someone at risk doesn’t care about catching it but then ends up in hospital is taking a bed from someone else. Why take the risk ffs 11 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: This isn’t a subject for Levity. But Edwina Currie having no idea is very, very funny: I’m fairly sure she knew it wasn’t real 11 hours ago, AppyDAZE said: Excluding funerals... That's handy I’m grateful for this, still not sure I should be travelling across the country next Wednesday for a funeral, but I missed my last chance to see my Nan due to this virus, not sure I could miss the funeral. 9 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said: Trades are supposed to stop, unless it’s essential work, simple as. During that time the government will cover 80% of wages for employers to help prevent redundancies. That’s not what Michael Gove has just said, this isn’t clear from the government. 8 hours ago, QuedgeRed said: As reported by The Sun online Where are the Sun getting this? They’ve made this up as far as I can see. 8 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Promising news but can’t find that original tweet now, only one I found says a proposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Super said: Michael Gove just said the opposite! I honestly mean no offence to Gove here but these are new and complex guidelines drawn in the last 24 hours. Not every minister will be fully briefed on them and remember every detail in an interview. Don't forget the Chancellor announced shops were closed in error last week in the announcement around the pubs. I'd trust the official guidance on gov.uk websites over what ministers say in interviews as there will be points when they get confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Super said: Michael Gove just said the opposite! Then went on BBC and said the opposite again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stedge Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Super said: Michael Gove just said the opposite! Well listen to me, I’m right! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 Michael Gove just summing up how bad this government are. Embarrassing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 London this morning. Speechless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Where are the Sun getting this? They’ve made this up as far as I can see. Re the list from The Sun, taken from here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874732/230320_-_Revised_guidance_note_-_finalVF.pdf See exceptions list on table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: London this morning. Speechless People have to go to work, there’s many hospitals, police stations, pharmacies, vital industries in London. I don’t expect they’re doing it for a laugh. The frequency of trains has been reduced dramatically, there will be an increase of people on each train even though the actual numbers of people have fallen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: People have to go to work, there’s many hospitals, police stations, pharmacies, vital industries in London. I don’t expect they’re doing it for a laugh. The frequency of trains has been reduced dramatically, there will be an increase of people on each train even though the actual numbers of people have fallen Don’t think many are blaming the people themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Don’t think many are blaming the people themselves You'd be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Don’t think many are blaming the people themselves I don’t know how people are supposed to get around London unless they put special work buses on, a lot of people won’t have cars. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) A nation wakes up and wonders.... “am I meant to be going to work or not?” No doubt there’s further announcements tonight, giving headlines but no details, and the details for last nights announcement will be released at some obscure time in the middle of the night. It’s basically the opposite of good communication. Edited March 24, 2020 by Northern Red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcityman Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Robin-hugh-blind said: Good night rich boy You have had a lot to say over night, alas you didn't really say anything bar Me me me me me me what about me! **** me you're a whiny little ***, hardship because you were not put first, you probably don't have a clue what real hardship is, there are people out there doing their best to keep people alive whilst risking their own lives and whilst having to spend time away from their own families. There are also people working so selfish muppets like you can get served their shopping and doing that while on low wages, no one is going to starve, no one is going to be evicted have their electricity or gas cut off, if you can't get food because you have no money their are people out there working to supply those that are struggling via food banks. Many people are alone and scared, many have no one, but you know what, we get on with it, we pull our purse strings in, cut back on our food intake and waste nothing and we isolate, and you whine about losing some money. Then to top it all you hope somone sneezes on someones dinner, really! About time you grew up. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: People have to go to work, there’s many hospitals, police stations, pharmacies, vital industries in London. I don’t expect they’re doing it for a laugh. The frequency of trains has been reduced dramatically, there will be an increase of people on each train even though the actual numbers of people have fallen Partly true, but there are other forms of transport available in London. Plus I would guess, and only a guess, that not everyone on there has to be on that tube. It’s a London mentality, no one wants to back down as they believe they are the most important. London cabbies are struggling at the moment so use them! 19 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: People have to go to work, there’s many hospitals, police stations, pharmacies, vital industries in London. I don’t expect they’re doing it for a laugh. The frequency of trains has been reduced dramatically, there will be an increase of people on each train even though the actual numbers of people have fallen Partly true, but there are other forms of transport available in London. Plus I would guess, and only a guess, that not everyone on there has to be on that tube. It’s a London mentality, no one wants to back down as they believe they are the most important. London cabbies are struggling at the moment so use them! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 Good to see that ***** Mike Ashley not being able to open his shops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 40 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Where are the Sun getting this? They’ve made this up as far as I can see. Well, wherever they got it from the BBC did too. The same list is on their website. I haven't looked but I expect it is on the government website - also known as the OS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 minute ago, formerly known as ivan said: Partly true, but there are other forms of transport available in London. Plus I would guess, and only a guess, that not everyone on there has to be on that tube. It’s a London mentality, no one wants to back down as they believe they are the most important. London cabbies are struggling at the moment so use them! Yes but it also depends where you have to get to. Not everyone can afford a taxi at £50 a day across London. I can’t seriously imagine people would put their life in peril because of arrogance. There’s just a lot of businesses in and around London. There may be people who haven’t had it confirmed to work at home yet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 No tennis on the allowed list @Lew - T 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: Yes but it also depends where you have to get to. Not everyone can afford a taxi at £50 a day across London. I can’t seriously imagine people would put their life in peril because of arrogance. There’s just a lot of businesses in and around London. There may be people who haven’t had it confirmed to work at home yet Granted. But surely instead of cutting tube services they should be putting more on so people can keep their distance. Not all cram into trains like that . London is in big trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Granted. But surely instead of cutting tube services they should be putting more on so people can keep their distance. Not all cram into trains like that . London is in big trouble Yes, reducing the frequency wasn’t a good idea, they used to be every two minutes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 24, 2020 Report Share Posted March 24, 2020 Where I live, Merseyrail have cut the number of trains per hour on each line from 4 to 2, however they've doubled train lengths from 3 carriages to 6 by joining units together so there's no loss of seats. I know not every operator can do that, especially on the Tube, but people having to cram on to fewer services defeats the object completely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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