The Coronavirus and its impact on sport/Fans Return (Merged)

[Selred]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

Didn’t actually mean piping noise into grounds. Just from the tv studio.  Definitely better than silence 

Can they pipe in one bloke shouting Johnson out as we go 1 nil down in the first 10 mins? 

[RedM]

9 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

I wonder if spitting during football will be outlawed when we eventually return.

I remember this being discussed years ago on the Radio. Geoff 20p had a caller who was disgusted with the spitting. Geoff replied that the build up of saliva happened when you were exercising and soon it became impossible to keep swallowing it and what were players meant to do, carry tissues?!

[Vincent Vega]

3 minutes ago, RedM said:

I remember this being discussed years ago on the Radio. Geoff 20p had a caller who was disgusted with the spitting. Geoff replied that the build up of saliva happened when you were exercising and soon it became impossible to keep swallowing it and what were players meant to do, carry tissues?!

Pre Corona it didn't bother me & having played I agree with Geoff. Another hurdle to cross though. 

[RedM]

12 minutes ago, hodge said:

Not sure was just a potential Idea, Munich are training while distancing atm, no player touches a ball with their hands, I would assume boots put on with gloves etc, just about getting some sort of sharpness back rather than physical contact 

I wasn’t dismissing your thoughts, just adding my own . Things like a game of football sound possible until you think of the practicalities. When you still have some work places that can’t even pass a pen to eachother without having to wipe it first thinking about playing football with all the contact seems light years away in that context!

[RedM]

2 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Pre Corona it didn't bother me & having played I agree with Geoff. Another hurdle to cross though. 

Yup, I agree. All these things have to be thought of. That’s why I don’t see football returning for a long while.

[Vincent Vega]

5 minutes ago, RedM said:

Yup, I agree. All these things have to be thought of. That’s why I don’t see football returning for a long while.

I agree and have said so from the beginning of this.  People need something to cling onto I suppose..

[RedM]

3 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

I agree and have said so from the beginning of this.  People need something to cling onto I suppose..

We do need light at the end of the tunnel for sure, but don’t want to stumble and fall in the dark on the way. We really have to take all the measures and do this properly, if it was down to me and would be locking down stricter, certainly closing all borders and more businesses. A couple of weeks of real lock down might save us months of heartache in the future. 

[Vincent Vega]

2 minutes ago, RedM said:

We do need light at the end of the tunnel for sure, but don’t want to stumble and fall in the dark on the way. We really have to take all the measures and do this properly, if it was down to me and would be locking down stricter, certainly closing all borders and more businesses. A couple of weeks of real lock down might save us months of heartache in the future. 

Yep, Westminster bridge and pictures from Stockport this morning can only spread the virus not contain it surely. Airports should have been locked down in March at the latest.  Football.....forget about it imo.

[lenred]

3 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Why can’t players just be tested and if they don’t have it they can play ?

Why on Earth should vital tests be given to footballers when we can’t even test our frontline NHS and care staff?  My auntie is an NHS nurse and has had suspected Covid but can’t /  hasn’t been tested so is off for a prolonged time. My sister runs homes for the severely mentally disabled and can’t get any tests and so her and her staff are having to do 18 hr days due to the staff shortages of those with suspected covid. These examples will be multiplied hundreds of thousands of times across the country. I’m buggered if footballers should get any special treatment and access to multiple testing before our frontline health and key workers. 

[And Its Smith]

3 minutes ago, lenred said:

Why on Earth should vital tests be given to footballers when we can’t even test our frontline NHS and care staff?  My auntie is an NHS nurse and has had suspected Covid but can’t /  hasn’t been tested so is off for a prolonged time. My sister runs homes for the severely mentally disabled and can’t get any tests and so her and her staff are having to do 18 hr days due to the staff shortages of those with suspected covid. These examples will be multiplied hundreds of thousands of times across the country. I’m buggered if footballers should get any special treatment and access to multiple testing before our frontline health and key workers. 

Blimey mate calm down.  Read the full thread. 

Football isn’t starting yet is it. We can test footballers if tests are readily available. 

[lenred]

2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Blimey mate calm down.  Read the full thread. 

Football isn’t starting yet is it. We can test footballers if tests are readily available. 

Take your condescending bull elsewhere ‘mate’. 

[And Its Smith]

3 minutes ago, lenred said:

Take your condescending bull elsewhere ‘mate’. 

If you honestly think anyone is advocating testing footballers before they are readily available to all then you are completely wrong.  

[Lrrr]

4 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

If you honestly think anyone is advocating testing footballers before they are readily available to all then you are completely wrong.  

Frankly it’s staggering how many times people come into the thread stating that when absolutely no one is advocating it

[winterbournered]

Football behind closed doors is pie in the sky fantasy stuff. 
It’s been dismissed by plenty of specialists 

The logistics of it all makes it unworkable. I’d be surprised if we see any football in the next 6 months. Hope I’m wrong but I just don’t see it being safe to do so. 

[Kid in the Riot]

3 minutes ago, winterbournered said:

Football behind closed doors is pie in the sky fantasy stuff. 
It’s been dismissed by plenty of specialists 

The logistics of it all makes it unworkable. I’d be surprised if we see any football in the next 6 months. Hope I’m wrong but I just don’t see it being safe to do so. 

Could you elaborate?

I guess one big issue will be when the likes of Leeds win promotion and Liverpool the title it will be inevitable that tens of thousands of fans will take to the streets celebrating. It would be impossible to police. So long as that risk is there, then football - even behind closed doors - is probably a bad idea.

[Davefevs]

11 hours ago, hodge said:

UEFA seemingly allowing the season to continue till the end of August under current plans, for the stories been coming out about June 30th cut offs

Fifa have said “indefinitely”.

3 hours ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

Games can’t be played behind closed doors. L1 and L2 sides would not survive, gate receipts is what keeps them afloat. If L1 and L2 can’t play rest of leagues can’t be decided for no relegation promotion. 
 

Hope we don’t get the situation where L1, L2 and NL are voided but championship and PL where more money is are played behind closed doors.

Think that would be the last straw for me and would stop me watching City. Would just watch more Non league with my son,

It’s TV Money, League Money and Season Ticket money that keeps them afloat at that level, bar the real big clubs like Sunderland, who have disproportionate match day income. Clubs will be losing a max of 5 home game receipts plus the stuff that goes with it....for this season.  They’ve been advanced money already to help them.  I not saying all is rosy in Lg1/2’s garden, but overspending and living beyond their means is the biggest issue.  I think Fleetwood announced a £6m loss!!

But in terms of lost revenues, Rick Parry has written to all clubs asking them to submit their expected expenses for the rest of the season.  I suspect they are working on some form of short term “help” as encouragement to get the season done....whenever that is safe to do so.

3 hours ago, RedM said:

Exactly the point I was going to make. Football I don’t think will resume for quite a while yet. I predict this season will be written off and the start of next season delayed until at least the New Year with cup completions suspended.

Playing matches behind closed doors will cause all sorts of problems too, people will just try to get as near to the stadium as possible, nightmare for the Police to keep fans apart

On what basis?  There will be no pubs, no supporter bars, no atmosphere around the ground to warrant that behaviour imho.

[And Its Smith]

9 minutes ago, winterbournered said:

Football behind closed doors is pie in the sky fantasy stuff. 
It’s been dismissed by plenty of specialists 

The logistics of it all makes it unworkable. I’d be surprised if we see any football in the next 6 months. Hope I’m wrong but I just don’t see it being safe to do so. 

It’s being planned though

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/efl-open-letter-to-supporters/

[lenred]

16 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

If you honestly think anyone is advocating testing footballers before they are readily available to all then you are completely wrong.  

Can’t see where you have stated that but happy to be proven wrong.
You need to cut the condescension in your replies regardless.  Maybe you haven’t been adversely affected this far but my family have and the point stands.

Edited April 17, 2020 by lenred

[Lrrr]

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Fifa have said “indefinitely”

Think I saw tentative date for champions league final in last week of august which is the season finisher, obviously up for change but shows where uefa’s thinking is, so contracts/loans will need to find a solution 

[And Its Smith]

8 minutes ago, lenred said:

Can’t see where you have stated that but happy to be proven wrong.
You need to cut the condescension in your replies regardless.  Maybe you haven’t been adversely affected this far but my family have and the point stands.

Posts 5410 and 5411 and then a few earlier in thread.  

If I was condescending then I apologise but I didn’t appreciate your reply.  Nobody on this whole thread as far as I can see has advocated testing footballers before sick people.  You must have a dim view of people to think they might.

Sorry that your family have been affected.  Mine has as well. Worrying times especially being led by an inept government which is where my anger lies 

[winterbournered]

14 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Could you elaborate?

I guess one big issue will be when the likes of Leeds win promotion and Liverpool the title it will be inevitable that tens of thousands of fans will take to the streets celebrating. It would be impossible to police. So long as that risk is there, then football - even behind closed doors - is probably a bad idea.

One of a few articles I’ve read in the link below https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/04/10/sports-arent-coming-back-soon

It just doesn’t seem workable to me. 
Like I said I’m hope I’m wrong, I’m missing football and sport in general as much as the next person. 

[lenred]

2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Posts 5410 and 5411 and then a few earlier in thread.  

If I was condescending then I apologise but I didn’t appreciate your reply.  Nobody on this whole thread as far as I can see has advocated testing footballers before sick people.  You must have a dim view of people to think they might.

Sorry that your family have been affected.  Mine has as well. Worrying times especially being led by an inept government which is where my anger lies 

Jesus wept. There you go again. Can’t help yourself I guess. Ill leave it there 

[pillred]

4 hours ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

How often do you test them, who will they be in contact with and just because your negative one day doesn’t mean your not positive next day.

Ridiculous isn't it the test would last as long as the next door handle you touched, would prove nothing. 

[Davefevs]

22 minutes ago, hodge said:

Think I saw tentative date for champions league final in last week of august which is the season finisher, obviously up for change but shows where uefa’s thinking is, so contracts/loans will need to find a solution 

Yeah, was just pointing out that FIFA will allow it indefinitely.  If UEFA decide earlier, it’s not because FIFA are forcing the issue.

[Vincent Vega]

3 minutes ago, pillred said:

Ridiculous isn't it the test would last as long as the next door handle you touched, would prove nothing. 

This is what people are struggling with I think. 

[Dolman_Stand]

Think it is becoming more and more apparent with each day that this season is going to be null and void, the planning effort from the sporting authorities should really be going into making sure that next season is achievable by which time you would hope lockdown measures, testing and vaccines will be much more advanced than they are at this point in time. The financial aspect of this is going to be grim but from where we sit at present it is almost inevitable.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Dolman_Stand

[RedM]

33 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Fifa have said “indefinitely”.

It’s TV Money, League Money and Season Ticket money that keeps them afloat at that level, bar the real big clubs like Sunderland, who have disproportionate match day income. Clubs will be losing a max of 5 home game receipts plus the stuff that goes with it....for this season.  They’ve been advanced money already to help them.  I not saying all is rosy in Lg1/2’s garden, but overspending and living beyond their means is the biggest issue.  I think Fleetwood announced a £6m loss!!

But in terms of lost revenues, Rick Parry has written to all clubs asking them to submit their expected expenses for the rest of the season.  I suspect they are working on some form of short term “help” as encouragement to get the season done....whenever that is safe to do so.

On what basis?  There will be no pubs, no supporter bars, no atmosphere around the ground to warrant that behaviour imho.

On the basis that people are prepared to stand on a London Bridge and clap NHS workers they are greatful to but possibly will never have any personal interaction with (hopefully). Football fans are a passionate almost tribal bunch who regularly move hell and high water to follow their teams from one end of the country to another. No pubs, well that’s easily solved. The atmosphere will be made by the fans for the fans. No way if football is played behind closed doors that there won’t be gatherings, especially if promotion or relegation or rivalry is in play.

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, RedM said:

On the basis that people are prepared to stand on a London Bridge and clap NHS workers they are greatful to but possibly will never have any personal interaction with (hopefully). Football fans are a passionate almost tribal bunch who regularly move hell and high water to follow their teams from one end of the country to another. No pubs, well that’s easily solved. The atmosphere will be made by the fans for the fans. No way if football is played behind closed doors that there won’t be gatherings, especially if promotion or relegation or rivalry is in play.

Hey, all about opinions.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Davefevs

[And Its Smith]

13 minutes ago, pillred said:

Ridiculous isn't it the test would last as long as the next door handle you touched, would prove nothing. 

Can’t they just disinfect the area before the players arrive, players are then tested and they can play if they don’t have it? 

[RedM]

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Hey, all about opinions.

Of course, and I was just responding when you said people wouldn’t gather near a game due to there being no pubs or supporters bars. We can agree to differ, I’m happy with that. You say people will stay at home and watch on tv? I say fans will gather, stream on their phones etc and try to be there and live that promotion moment. 

Hopefully sense will prevail and we will never know which one of us is right.