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The Coronavirus and its impact on sport

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I'm currently self isolating on the advice of my GP. Despite the fact im quite young and pretty fit I do feel like death, and I'd rather not give anything to someone who would seriously suffer with it.

I was told I'm not going to be screened because (despite showing all symptoms) I haven't been abroad at all, which puts paid to any idea I had of remaining NHS sensibility. There's 2 other people in buildings within 200yds of me also under isolation so I'm shit scared.

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9 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Tory MP Nadine Dorries has been diagnosed with covid-19, been in contact with 100s of people over the past three days including the PM - strap yourselves in everyone... 

Christ. That could be massive. Hope she - and everyone else diagnosed - makes a speedy recovery.

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10 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Tory MP Nadine Dorries has been diagnosed with covid-19, been in contact with 100s of people over the past three days including the PM - strap yourselves in everyone... 

The health minister no less.

Elite level irony.

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7 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

I'm currently self isolating on the advice of my GP. Despite the fact im quite young and pretty fit I do feel like death, and I'd rather not give anything to someone who would seriously suffer with it.

I was told I'm not going to be screened because (despite showing all symptoms) I haven't been abroad at all, which puts paid to any idea I had of remaining NHS sensibility. There's 2 other people in buildings within 200yds of me also under isolation so I'm shit scared.

Christ. Look after yourself. It must be a horrible thing to be going through.

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Health minister Nadine Dories tests positive for Coronavirus. Attended a lot of meetings at Westminster recently including with PM. This is starting to get a bit real now!!😷

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47 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Tory MP Nadine Dorries has been diagnosed with covid-19, been in contact with 100s of people over the past three days including the PM - strap yourselves in everyone... 

And I believe Boris was at Westminster Abbey yesterday with the Royal family - including the Queen.....!

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46 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Tory MP Nadine Dorries has been diagnosed with covid-19, been in contact with 100s of people over the past three days including the PM - strap yourselves in everyone... 

All those people who got flooded were well royaly pissed of with him Sunday,imagine their outrage if Bojo has only gone and passed the virus around as well 

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8 hours ago, Sturny said:

It's possible to effect people 4.5 meters away and it can linger in the air for 30 minutes 

Well that’s new info - the consistent stuff has previously said ‘close contact’ when you are vulnerable to catch this infection is defined as being within 2 metres of someone for 15 minutes - where did you get your facts from? Not saying you’re wrong, but it’s contradictory 

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On 23/02/2020 at 10:24, RedDave said:

Absolutely not. Ridiculous suggestion. Barely a case in this country and China getting to grips with it from what I’ve heard. 

Your ‘ridiculous’ - ‘barely a case in this country’ post was only 16 days ago - alarming how quickly this thing has evolved and spread? 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-51827356

...closely involved in drawing up Government plans and public advice on tackling and avoiding the virus.

...she's had many recent 'contacts' in Downing St & Parliament.

…who else and how many in high and important positions will develop symptoms and test positive as a result?

 

We're in good hands,  the Government  has it under control,  wash hands and sing Happy Birthday, hmm dont panic Mr Mainwaring!

Bottom line (as always in this country) is 'the bottom line',  protect the markets and the Economy.  

 

P.S.  Get Well Soon Nadine.  (and everyone else who is suffering)

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Sounds like there have been talks to put the Euros back a year. Which would allow the leagues to finish.

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1 hour ago, ZiderEyed said:

I'm currently self isolating on the advice of my GP. Despite the fact im quite young and pretty fit I do feel like death, and I'd rather not give anything to someone who would seriously suffer with it.

I was told I'm not going to be screened because (despite showing all symptoms) I haven't been abroad at all, which puts paid to any idea I had of remaining NHS sensibility. There's 2 other people in buildings within 200yds of me also under isolation so I'm shit scared.

Sorry to hear that mate... Take care and Get Well Soon. 

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Given that if our experience follows the Italian trajectory we shall need a lot more hospital beds, can anyone tell me how many extra beds have been produced for use in a very likely emergency?  The NHS doesn't seem to have enough beds for a healthy summer from what I can tell.

Can we build a 1000 bed hospital in a week?  I really don't think so.

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Man city v Arsenal off in Prem tomorrow. Just a matter of time before all sport in this country is put on hold me thinks.

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19 minutes ago, WhistleHappy said:

 

Tonight's game between Man City & Arsenal has been postponed due to Coronavirus threat.

And so it starts.

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24 minutes ago, Super said:

Man city v Arsenal off in Prem tomorrow. Just a matter of time before all sport in this country is put on hold me thinks.

Not just sport if the numbers continue to rise, let's hope it doesn't turn out like that.

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3 minutes ago, pillred said:

And so it starts.

Several Arsenal players & officials have been in close contact with Olympiacos owner Marinakis during Europa League game 13days ago.. Marinakis has the Covid-19 virus.. 

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33 minutes ago, WhistleHappy said:

 

Tonight's game between Man City & Arsenal has been postponed due to Coronavirus threat.

I can’t see this anywhere.

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1 minute ago, ScottishRed said:

Source

Breaking news .. BBC... various other media reports in last hour.. Google it.

(or , if you prefer, the other source... Marinakis owner of Olympiacos!) ;)) ;)

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4 hours ago, pillred said:

And so it starts.

 

4 hours ago, WhistleHappy said:

Several Arsenal players & officials have been in close contact with Olympiacos owner Marinakis during Europa League game 13days ago.. Marinakis has the Covid-19 virus.. 

Factual inaccuracies have started

He has CORONAVIRUS 

He DOESN'T have Covid-19

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3 minutes ago, phantom said:

 

Factual inaccuracies have started

He has CORONAVIRUS 

He DOESN'T have Covid-19

Whatever he’s got is enough to get a panic on though. Watch this take off, I don’t think we’ve got a clue on how this is going to pan out?

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5 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Given that if our experience follows the Italian trajectory we shall need a lot more hospital beds, can anyone tell me how many extra beds have been produced for use in a very likely emergency?  The NHS doesn't seem to have enough beds for a healthy summer from what I can tell.

Can we build a 1000 bed hospital in a week?  I really don't think so

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5 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Given that if our experience follows the Italian trajectory we shall need a lot more hospital beds, can anyone tell me how many extra beds have been produced for use in a very likely emergency?  The NHS doesn't seem to have enough beds for a healthy summer from what I can tell.

Can we build a 1000 bed hospital in a week?  I really don't think so.

I think we could as long as politicians, councillors, planners and health & safety aren’t involved. 

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7 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Well that’s new info - the consistent stuff has previously said ‘close contact’ when you are vulnerable to catch this infection is defined as being within 2 metres of someone for 15 minutes - where did you get your facts from? Not saying you’re wrong, but it’s contradictory 


Research from China. This Doctor discusses  this in the first few minutes in this video. He’s been very reliable and informative. 

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5 hours ago, Super said:

Man city v Arsenal off in Prem tomorrow. Just a matter of time before all sport in this country is put on hold me thinks.

There's a specific reason for this 

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28 minutes ago, swanker said:

Whatever he’s got is enough to get a panic on though. Watch this take off, I don’t think we’ve got a clue on how this is going to pan out?

True

 

One has killed thousands one has killed very few

Certainly not the way around the press would like you to believe 

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So will our game be off as he is also the forest owner?

Sure I read he was with the forest team.

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6 minutes ago, Pie Eater said:

So will our game be off as he is also the forest owner?

Sure I read he was with the forest team.

No

Read the reasons above 

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7 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Your ‘ridiculous’ - ‘barely a case in this country’ post was only 16 days ago - alarming how quickly this thing has evolved and spread? 

Nice to know how often you think about me.  Has the season been cancelled then? That’s what I called ridiculous. I can’t see that it has. Perhaps you can send me a link! 

 

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Part of the problem is that people ARE being diagnosed with Coronavirus (as they have been since the 1950s) but very few are catching Covid-19 and everyone seems to be treating them both as the same when they are not. 

Just like any other airborne bug you have to be within 6ft of an affected person for at least 15 minutes to catch the Coronavirus, but the sensationalist headlines and misleading news stories has put everyone into a panic 

It's funny how there is next to no news reporting that new cases etc in the Chinese regions are dropping daily and the infamous hospital that was built quickly is now standing empty as it is not required. 

Even the Italian "lockdown" is misleading as people were still working as normal yesterday 

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7 minutes ago, phantom said:

Part of the problem is that people ARE being diagnosed with Coronavirus (as they have been since the 1950s) but very few are catching Covid-19 and everyone seems to be treating them both as the same when they are not. 

Just like any other airborne bug you have to be within 6ft of an affected person for at least 15 minutes to catch the Coronavirus, but the sensationalist headlines and misleading news stories has put everyone into a panic 

It's funny how there is next to no news reporting that new cases etc in the Chinese regions are dropping daily and the infamous hospital that was built quickly is now standing empty as it is not required. 

Even the Italian "lockdown" is misleading as people were still working as normal yesterday 

A work colleague has just returned from Europe and he spent a few weeks in Italy. Lets say he definitely got within 6ft of many woman on many occasions. He is fit as a fiddle and still smiling.

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38 minutes ago, phantom said:

There's a specific reason for this 

I know but it seems its just a matter of time now that all sport will be halted.

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12 minutes ago, phantom said:

Part of the problem is that people ARE being diagnosed with Coronavirus (as they have been since the 1950s) but very few are catching Covid-19 and everyone seems to be treating them both as the same when they are not. 

Just like any other airborne bug you have to be within 6ft of an affected person for at least 15 minutes to catch the Coronavirus, but the sensationalist headlines and misleading news stories has put everyone into a panic 

It's funny how there is next to no news reporting that new cases etc in the Chinese regions are dropping daily and the infamous hospital that was built quickly is now standing empty as it is not required. 

Even the Italian "lockdown" is misleading as people were still working as normal yesterday 

But this isn't true Phantom? 

You accuse the media of being sensationalist and then post untrue stuff yourself? I really don't understand...

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5 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

But this isn't true Phantom? 

You accuse the media of being sensationalist and then post untrue stuff yourself? I really don't understand...

Which bit isn't true that I posted @Kid in the Riot?

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9 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I agree it seems unlikely we will end up with that many deaths.

However, the “people” you refer to are the UK chief medical officer - and it’s not a forecast as such, it’s a reasonable worst-case scenario and one he said was unlikely.

That’s not “scaremongering”, that’s one of the most qualified medical experts in the country making a statement based on considered analysis.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/03/80-people-uk-catch-coronavirus-worst-case-scenario-12339867/amp/

I will repeat again; there has been an average of 17,000 per year, seasonal flu related deaths from 2014-2019 just how many were reported daily by the media and how many mass attendance events were cancelled? I`ll save you the time for looking....none and none. :dunno:

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41 minutes ago, Pie Eater said:

So will our game be off as he is also the forest owner?

Sure I read he was with the forest team.

He was with them last Friday apparently 

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I for one think we should be honoured that OTIB is graced with the presence of some of the finest medical minds in the country. Especially as they're telling us to ignore the other experts.

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6 minutes ago, glos old boy said:

I will repeat again; there has been an average of 17,000 per year, seasonal flu related deaths from 2014-2019 just how many were reported daily by the media and how many mass attendance events were cancelled? I`ll save you the time for looking....none and none. :dunno:

I’m just going to copy and paste precisely the same reply I gave you yesterday:-

These constant attempts by people to dismiss Coronavirus as “just like flu” are getting tiresome. There are good reasons why the world is reacting very differently.

“While the viruses that cause both COVID-19 and seasonal influenza are transmitted from person-to-person and may cause similar symptoms, the two viruses are very different and do not behave in the same way. ECDC estimates that between 15 000 and 75 000 people die prematurely due to causes associated with seasonal influenza each year in the EU, the UK, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein. This is approximately 1 in every 1 000 people who are infected. By comparison, the current estimated mortality rate for COVID-19 is 20-30 per 1 000 people.

Despite the relatively low mortality rate for seasonal influenza, many people die from the disease due to the large number of people who contract it each year. The concern about COVID-19 is that, unlike influenza, there is no vaccine and no specific treatment for the disease. It also appears to be as transmissible as influenza if not more so. As it is a new virus, nobody has prior immunity which in theory means that the entire human population is potentially susceptible to COVID-19 infection.“


https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/novel-coronavirus-china/questions-answers

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1 hour ago, phantom said:

 

Factual inaccuracies have started

He has CORONAVIRUS 

He DOESN'T have Covid-19

Is that right?

Like you I get very confused with the press not making the difference.

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1 minute ago, Drew Peacock said:

Is that right?

Like you I get very confused with the press not making the difference.

Indeed 

Coronavirus has been around for decades and is in itself nothing worse than influenza. Which is why the measures being brought in (washing hands etc) are to stop that spreading. 

The virus that is the current problem is called Covid-19 and is something different 

It is interesting to read / watch various news agencies how they are careful which terminology they are using 

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12 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I’m just going to copy and paste precisely the same reply I gave you yesterday:-

These constant attempts by people to dismiss Coronavirus as “just like flu” are getting tiresome. There are good reasons why the world is reacting very differently.

“While the viruses that cause both COVID-19 and seasonal influenza are transmitted from person-to-person and may cause similar symptoms, the two viruses are very different and do not behave in the same way. ECDC estimates that between 15 000 and 75 000 people die prematurely due to causes associated with seasonal influenza each year in the EU, the UK, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein. This is approximately 1 in every 1 000 people who are infected. By comparison, the current estimated mortality rate for COVID-19 is 20-30 per 1 000 people.

Despite the relatively low mortality rate for seasonal influenza, many people die from the disease due to the large number of people who contract it each year. The concern about COVID-19 is that, unlike influenza, there is no vaccine and no specific treatment for the disease. It also appears to be as transmissible as influenza if not more so. As it is a new virus, nobody has prior immunity which in theory means that the entire human population is potentially susceptible to COVID-19 infection.“


https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/novel-coronavirus-china/questions-answers

ok thats fair enough but the estimated mortality rate is still less than the SARS outbreak in 03; do you think that this latest virus will kill more this year than the flu did in 08/09; 13,000 in this country and 1/2 a million worldwide according to W.H.O.

It also seems that the old and the people with underlying problems are the most likely to be affected/die and by far most infected will recover in a few weeks; this is not a virus that will certainly kill you if you get it therefore the mass panic buying is hard to understand.

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8 minutes ago, phantom said:

Indeed 

Coronavirus has been around for decades and is in itself nothing worse than influenza. Which is why the measures being brought in (washing hands etc) are to stop that spreading. 

The virus that is the current problem is called Covid-19 and is something different 

It is interesting to read / watch various news agencies how they are careful which terminology they are using 

If we're going to be fussy about terminology, COVID-19 refers to the disease (symptoms) in the present epidemic caused by the virus SARS-CoV-2 which is a member of the group of coronaviruses.  The chap referred to here has the disease COVID-19 according to the statement from Arsenal.

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28 minutes ago, phantom said:

Which bit isn't true that I posted @Kid in the Riot?

The bit about having to be within 6ft of someone for 15 minutes to catch it. Complete nonsense I'm afraid. 

You could be in close proximity to someone for a very short space of time and catch it, for example if they coughed or sneezed near you. 

You could also catch it by being in an empty room all on your own, hours after the last person had been in there. This is because the virus stays on surfaces. You touch that infected surface and touch your face and you could catch the virus.

It works no differently from the flu or norovirus, for example, so I'm a little miffed as to why people still don't understand how viruses transmit.

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31 minutes ago, phantom said:

Which bit isn't true that I posted @Kid in the Riot?

There are many Coronaviruses floating around the UK every year causing mild illness through common colds. The tests conducted for Covid-19 are capable of telling the difference between these relatively harmless Coronaviruses and the more serious new virus.

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